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 Shiva.Flowen
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By Shiva.Flowen 2016-02-11 01:26:10
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Emp aftermath has always been able to proc on multistrikes hits (relics are limited to the first hit).

All the multistrikes devalues conquerors aftermath. 50% ODTriple on ukon III and you're looking at a 100% increase in tp phase damage for a 4 hit build.

I'm sure conq will win when you're stacking accuracy and can't wear a ~60% double attack set.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-11 01:36:56
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I'll take you guy's word for it then. I know relic 2.5 / 3.0 damage procs can only happen on the first hit and somehow was sure that Emp ODD AM3 worked the same way.

That puts 119III Ukon right next to Conq for pure damage.

Shiva.Flowen said: »
I'm sure conq will win when you're stacking accuracy and can't wear a ~60% double attack set.

I am stacking accuracy gear and still getting that 54% DA rate. Gifts are insane, 10% crit rate 10% crit damage 10% DA rate and 5% WSD. Plus SE updated WAR's natural DA rate to have five tiers for 18% natural (conservative estimate), then 5% from merits. That's 33% DA while being naked, add on some DA on various Valorous / Odysean pieces and accessories and you can hit 50% while still having high accuracy.

Then again Conq does evil things to berserk and we can practically full time that.
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By Phoenix.Gaiarorshack 2016-02-11 21:31:11
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man i just tossed in tons of alex to make conqure just to finnd out i should go back and focus on ukon ?
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By Cerberus.Enjoisippi 2016-02-11 22:51:50
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Have 119 Bravura guess all those Plutons On my Mule are going to be of use. Also 400 HMPs and Ukon is gonna be 119 Might just have enough Riftborns for it. Farsha looking good too... D;
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By Shiva.Flowen 2016-02-12 01:23:16
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Phoenix.Gaiarorshack said: »
man i just tossed in tons of alex to make conqure just to finnd out i should go back and focus on ukon ?

No I wouldn't go that far lol. Conq is still going to be wars best wep in many situations but ukon will likely beat it in more situations than before.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-12 06:03:02
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Anyone got what the upgrade on Minos is yet? The DRK Scythe got some crazy accuracy and WSD on it, making it the best non-RME Scythe for them. I'm curious if the GAXE got treated the same way.
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By Asura.Chiaia 2016-02-12 06:15:20
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Anyone got what the upgrade on Minos is yet? The DRK Scythe got some crazy accuracy and WSD on it, making it the best non-RME Scythe for them. I'm curious if the GAXE got treated the same way.
Went to at least figure out what the 3 Augs were but then was reminded by "findall" that I finally tossed(reclaimer) mine last month :/
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-12 08:26:08
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Screw it, I'll make one real quick and augment it to cap "For Science!"
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By Asura.Mostro 2016-02-12 08:41:59
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I have been asking the same question all around Saevel, but is like everyone is focused on the R/E/M that Minos got overlooked. I will love to know what the augments are since my warrior is pretty bad on the weapon department lol.
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By Odinz 2016-02-12 08:45:18
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With optimized sets, Ragnarok is going to beat Conq and Uko 7 times out of 10.
My new hierarchy based on the content I play is:
Rag>Uko>Conq
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By Cerberus.Xinzhiming 2016-02-12 08:55:12
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Odinz said: »
With optimized sets, Ragnarok is going to beat Conq and Uko 7 times out of 10.
My new hierarchy based on the content I play is:
Rag>Uko>Conq

Do you mind posting these sets? ;)
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By Odinz 2016-02-12 09:06:39
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Cerberus.Xinzhiming said: »
Odinz said: »
With optimized sets, Ragnarok is going to beat Conq and Uko 7 times out of 10.
My new hierarchy based on the content I play is:
Rag>Uko>Conq

Do you mind posting these sets? ;)
I can post what I am aiming for in a few hours when I'm back, sure.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-12 09:14:35
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Odinz said: »
With optimized sets, Ragnarok is going to beat Conq and Uko 7 times out of 10.
My new hierarchy based on the content I play is:
Rag>Uko>Conq

Hmm depends on what your doing. If your just spamming your strongest WS then Rag is a clear winning as it's just monstrous. The other two it depends, Ukko for spamming your strongest GAXE WS, but Conq wins for doing a multi-step light SC.

Actually I believe Conq beats Ukon due to both AM3 making you WS faster, adding extra hits to those WS's, and the extra attack / crit boosting everything by more then the extra 50STR would. That extra SC damage really does add up.

The real interesting one is the Aeonic. 500TP does quite a bit to Upheavel and adding a T4 SC onto the four / five step would be amazing.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-12 09:42:37
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Finished Minos R15 and it's pretty strong

Acc +70
DA +6%
Crit Hit Rate +5%
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By Asura.Mostro 2016-02-12 09:44:47
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Silly question here, how difficult it is to get Aganoshe? In never done any of those new T2s and will really love to get one of those, at least till I get build one of the R/E/M.
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By Asura.Mostro 2016-02-12 09:46:31
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Finished Minos R15 and it's pretty strong

Acc +70
DA +6%
Crit Hit Rate +5%


hmmmmm Sounds interesting, I am sporting a Ferocity from SR with the crappiest augments ever, and I can wait to replace it. Do you think Minos fully augmented will be worth then?
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By Cerberus.Avalon 2016-02-12 09:47:04
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Asura.Mostro said: »
Silly question here, how difficult it is to get Aganoshe? In never done any of those new T2s and will really love to get one of those, at least till I get build one of the R/E/M.

Not hard. You just need 2 Gramk-Droog Grand coffers to pop Bashmu Reisenjima T2 Hydra NM.

Good luck!
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By Asura.Mostro 2016-02-12 09:48:53
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Cerberus.Avalon said: »
Asura.Mostro said: »
Silly question here, how difficult it is to get Aganoshe? In never done any of those new T2s and will really love to get one of those, at least till I get build one of the R/E/M.

Not hard. You just need 2 Gramk-Droog Grand coffers to pop Bashmu Reisenjima T2 Hydra NM.

Good luck!


Oh great, I guess I have a new thing to add to my farming list :)
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By Cerberus.Avalon 2016-02-12 09:51:25
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Asura.Mostro said: »
Cerberus.Avalon said: »
Asura.Mostro said: »
Silly question here, how difficult it is to get Aganoshe? In never done any of those new T2s and will really love to get one of those, at least till I get build one of the R/E/M.

Not hard. You just need 2 Gramk-Droog Grand coffers to pop Bashmu Reisenjima T2 Hydra NM.

Good luck!


Oh great, I guess I have a new thing to add to my farming list :)

There's an Incursion campaign going on atm which means every coffer dropped is Grand.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia 2016-02-12 09:53:23
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Finished Minos R15 and it's pretty strong

Acc +70
DA +6%
Crit Hit Rate +5%

Interesting. That's the most accurate weapon WAR has next to Bravura(III). And I guess maybe the Reisenjima GA with Dark Matter augments.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-12 09:58:46
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In Comparison my Aganoshe has the following augments

DMG +26
STR +2
Accuracy +25
Attack +7
WSD +1%


The weapon already had
DMG: 297 Delay 504
Accuracy +25
Attack +5
Store Tp +5
PDT -3%

So my Agon clearly has more base DMG and some solid accuracy and store TP. That Minos though has a total DA +9 and Crit +5% to go with it's really high accuracy but only 274 DMG and the same delay.
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By Asura.Mostro 2016-02-12 09:59:34
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Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
Finished Minos R15 and it's pretty strong

Acc +70
DA +6%
Crit Hit Rate +5%

Interesting. That's the most accurate weapon WAR has next to Bravura(III). And I guess maybe the Reisenjima GA with Dark Matter augments.


Will the low dmg on the weapon be an issue? I am strongly thinking on making one, just want to make sure that the effort/gil is worth it.
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By Asura.Mostro 2016-02-12 10:05:34
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Asura.Saevel said: »
In Comparison my Aganoshe has the following augments

DMG +26
STR +2
Accuracy +25
Attack +7
WSD +1%


The weapon already had
DMG: 297 Delay 504
Accuracy +25
Attack +5
Store Tp +5
PDT -3%

So my Agon clearly has more base DMG and some solid accuracy and store TP. That Minos though has a total DA +9 and Crit +5% to go with it's really high accuracy but only 274 DMG and the same delay.

I guess this answer my question. Aganoshe is the best way to go then.
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By Bahamut.Lykinia 2016-02-12 10:11:09
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Finished Minos R15 and it's pretty strong

Acc +70
DA +6%
Crit Hit Rate +5%
Nice. Definitely gonna make that now.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-12 10:11:21
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Asura.Mostro said: »
I guess this answer my question. Aganoshe is the best way to go then.


I'll experiment later, the DA+9 and CHR +5 interest me.
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By Shiva.Flowen 2016-02-12 16:25:23
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Asura.Mostro said: »

Will the low dmg on the weapon be an issue? I am strongly thinking on making one, just want to make sure that the effort/gil is worth it.

I haven't done too much testing yet, but the melee update seems to have made weapon base dmg more important (it says weapon type but..)

Aganoshe damage post update is noticeably higher. Not so much for rag119 I
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-02-12 16:32:04
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Weapon type refers to the fact that 1h, 2h, and ranged all have different pDIF caps now.
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By Shiva.Flowen 2016-02-13 02:33:10
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Can someone do some fine spreadsheeting on new brav, rag, conq and ukon please?
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By Phoenix.Gaiarorshack 2016-02-13 22:34:00
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Quick question
in between piece before i Finnish conqure and ukon for 119 II

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