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By Asura.Saevel 2015-12-24 03:47:32
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Phoenix.Gaiarorshack said: »
TY for the info time to fininsh up farsha then.

Since CLoudsplitter is elemental dmg i assume gear with MAB would yield improved dmg. (especially looking at skirmish gear right now)?

and is it baseed on fINT rather than fSTR ?

Don't bother with skirmish. You want SR gear, eschite legs and some MAB stuff in practically every slot.
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sets.Cloud = {ammo="Grenade core",
		head="Jumalik helm",neck="Deviant necklace",ear1="Friomisi earring",ear2="Crematio earring",
		body="Founder's breastplate",hands="Founder's Gauntlets",ring1="Shiva ring +1",ring2="Acumen ring",
		back="Toro cape",waist="Eschan stone",legs="Eschite cuisses",feet="Founder's greaves"}	


The only thing that's really in the air is a moonshade vs crematio earring. Since I was having to wait on my SC partner I frequently found myself over 2000TP which is where Fencer makes moonshade a waste so I switched. Moonshade is better if your spamming CS at or around 1000TP. There is probably a few better accessories and I've had zero luck making a decent MAB item from my leftover Valour / Odyssean gear.

CS doesn't have any dSTAT term and it's WSC is 40% STR / 40% MND. INT doesn't have any effect on it at all, which is good since WAR's MAB gear tends to be loaded with STR more then INT.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Cloudsplitter

And yes I loath that I might soon have to make a Farsha if SE doesn't release any Axe's with MAB / MDMG stats on them.
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By Asura.Chiaia 2015-12-24 21:05:26
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Why not have it use Moonshade by default and check if you have 2k+ TP and switch out that earring to Crematio earring then?

Its what most jobs do for over 2749 TP.
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-12-24 22:11:34
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I was quickly writing the sets in and didn't want to both screwing with making more logic then necessary. It's not a hard thing to do, but neither is WAR that important right now to actually require it. Maybe after they update REM's we can look at it again.
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By Ragnarok.Forsakengriever 2016-01-05 11:05:46
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So I know right now Warrior isn't really used (hopefully that does change soon) but I do want to work on regearing it anyway. It doesn't look like this guide has been updated in a while. So I suppose my first question is involving the Ukon - is Ukon still a good or viable option if it's upgraded to 119? And does anyone have any recomendations on what I should go after for a tp set and a Ws Ukko's Fury set? Would give me something to start on =)
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By Asura.Leonlionheart 2016-01-05 20:47:52
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I'd be interested to know too, though I assume Conqueror would be a more worthwhile investment than 119 Ukon
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-01-06 01:47:36
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Ragnarok.Forsakengriever said: »
So I know right now Warrior isn't really used (hopefully that does change soon) but I do want to work on regearing it anyway. It doesn't look like this guide has been updated in a while. So I suppose my first question is involving the Ukon - is Ukon still a good or viable option if it's upgraded to 119? And does anyone have any recomendations on what I should go after for a tp set and a Ws Ukko's Fury set? Would give me something to start on =)

If you haven't done the HMP phase then I wouldn't bother with it. The Aganoshe from escha will beat it pretty easily. The only RME's you need to worry about is Conq for pure damage and maybe Bravura for Accuracy / Survivability.
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By Ragnarok.Forsakengriever 2016-01-06 11:47:33
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Hopefully REMs get a good upgrade for Warrior soon. Does anyone have any sets?
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2016-01-07 00:48:01
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Asura.Leonlionheart said: »
I'd be interested to know too, though I assume Conqueror would be a more worthwhile investment than 119 Ukon


I would just wait until Feb tbh. They're reworking aftermath so empy may get a boost. Empy afterglow is also so much better than mythic one and all skill 269 REM are getting AG.
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By Ineeedmoney 2016-01-09 16:48:35
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Does anyone have a updated Axe TP set ?
I am looking to use Axe on war for Cloud Splitter and I can't find a up to date TP set for single hanged Axe
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By Phoenix.Gaiarorshack 2016-01-12 19:19:37
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quick curios question again for the more math inclined than me.

How much would it fix war if fencer bonus got added into Gaxe WS
and would it bring ukos furry back as a viable/general best ws to use ?

80% str vs supheavles 100% vit. make the base dmg a bit lower but add in all that extra attack.
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By Sylph.Padisharcreel 2016-01-20 17:00:33
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Looking for some help with Upheaval and Ukko's Fury sets. I can't figure out how to get spreadsheets to work, so coming here hoping for some input. Typical targets would be Sinister Reign, Escha Ru'Aun t1/2, Reisenjima t1/2... basically content level 125-135 stuff. Sublime sushi and torpor always available, other buffs vary.

Instigator is Path B - 30dmg, 20STR, 15acc

UPHEAVAL
ItemSet 341339

Augments:
Founder's Breastplate - 14acc/14atk
Odyssean Gauntlets - 15 VIT, 8 acc, 22 atk
Valorous Hose - 10 VIT, 30 acc, 22 atk
Odyssean Greaves - 11 VIT, 33 acc, 24 atk
Mauler's Mantle - 3 STR, 4 DEX, 1 acc, 3% Crit. Damage

Obviously there's room for improvement in my augments, but mostly wondering if i need to be looking at swapping any pieces out completely. (head and body jump out)

Head slot: Pretty sure this can be upgraded, I have an unaugmented Odyssean Helm... I just haven't decided what to use it for first (TP,PDT,WS, etc.) until I can get multiples. I also have Yorium Barbuta with STR/VIT 7, 19acc/atk, 5STP that i currently use in a couple of TP sets. Skormoth Mask / Acro Helms available as well.

Body slot: I have Boii +1, not sure how it stacks up vs. Founder's, but I'd assume it's pretty similar. Don't have Valorous/Odyssean body access atm, but I have several Alluvion bodies lying around if it would be worth throwing gil at.

How does Iximulew Cape stack up against Mauler's? Decent chunk of VIT, but no acc/atk.


UKKO'S
ItemSet 341343

Augments:
Argosy Celata - Path A (10 STR/DEX, 15 atk)
Founder's Breastplate - 14 acc/atk
Odyssean Gauntlets - 15 STR, 16 acc, 31 atk
Argosy Breeches - Path D (10 STR, 20 atk, 5 STP)
Odyssean Greaves - 14 STR, 30 acc, 15 atk
Mauler's Mantle - 3 STR, 4 DEX, 1 acc, 3% Crit. Damage

Not sure if I should +1 the Argosy gear, or just +1 the legs and work on Lustratio Cap +1. Or maybe drop both in favor of Reisenjima armor.

For the feet slot I have Boii+1 and a Valorous Boots with 39acc, 27atk, and 1% Crit. Damage augs available... not sure if the CHD on either of those would trump all the extra STR from my Odyssean though.

I think Yetshila +1 might be an upgradein the ammo slot, but I only have nq and I'm not sure how it compares to Seething +1. Assume 5 STR on Seething.

Note: My lua is set up to swap Brutal Earring to Lugra +1 during the applicable times and swaps Moonshade out for Vulcan's Pearl when at 3000% TP


Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance for any advice!
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By Sylph.Padisharcreel 2016-01-22 08:55:14
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Update and bump:

The first stone I put on my Odyssean Helm got me 13VIT, 17acc, 19atk, and 2% DA so I'll use that. Also snagged a bushin body abj. so path D on that should be a decent upgrade over founder's. So as far as Upheaval goes i think im set for now.

As far as Ukko's goes:

Ammo: Nq Yetshila vs. Seething +1
Head: Argosy / +1 vs. Lustratio / +1 vs. Boii +1 vs. Reisenjima hats
Legs: Argosy / +1 vs. Reisenjima legs
Feet: Boii+1 vs. Reisenjima feet vs. Other??

Thanks
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By Leviathan.Brotherhood 2016-01-26 12:55:44
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What do the War players think of Reikiono?
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By Jimmyballsack 2016-01-26 13:53:25
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Leviathan.Brotherhood said: »
What do the War players think of Reikiono?

I haven't seen any tightly augmented Aganoshe GAs (haven't searched), but that looks amazing, visually and stat wise. Still curious to see if the February update makes my Ukon worthy of wiping the dust off it.
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By Leviathan.Brotherhood 2016-01-26 13:56:31
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reason im even asking, Obv. have 1 from Kirin and Was going to toy with making a full gear set based around it being a hybrid tank/dd GA option over some others out there Would anyone suggest some gear sets for anything to play more into its stats say trip attack -dt sets etc I mainly play pld and mnk but toy with all jobs for random things just to keep the fun going in game.
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By Sylph.Padisharcreel 2016-01-26 13:59:25
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Lack of accuracy is a major hindrance. The pdt/cure pot received arent game changing by any means since its so easy to cap those in other slots. You'd probably be better off with Instigator or even a Ferocity.
I do love the model though, would certainly be a great lockstyle piece.
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By Jimmyballsack 2016-01-26 14:11:27
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Sylph.Padisharcreel said: »
Lack of accuracy is a major hindrance. The pdt/cure pot received arent game changing by any means since its so easy to cap those in other slots. You'd probably be better off with Instigator or even a Ferocity.
I do love the model though, would certainly be a great lockstyle piece.

Honestly, acc and hard content never came to mind thinking about this sadly sidelined job. I dug mine out of the catacombs recently to JP during Gain Exp times so I'm not doing it on Mastered heavy DDs. But if you do plan on doing something hard and/ or evasive, the man has a point. I'm sure the Reis GA can get some pretty ridic augs too.
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By Shiva.Flowen 2016-02-10 13:30:34
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Been a while Warriors!

1) are the REM updates enough to bring GA/GS out of hiding?

2)anyone done any decent testing on the melee damage buff?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia 2016-02-10 14:00:38
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Greatsword has been good. Resolution is a *** monster of a WS. With just trusts I was topping out a slightly less than 30k on a 3k tp Resolution against 119 NMs in Escha zones. This morning I hit 36k on my first Resolution with just my trusts. Those are peak numbers though. That's with Montante or whatever it's called. Rag will likely perform better with higher accuracy, skill and base damage.

As for G.Axe, eh. I've got a Bravura personally I'll take to 119(III), but it's still just for the utility of having it. Great Axe WS are just underwhelming to me compared to my other options. Bravura does have an absolutely insane 344 base damage though, which is like a 90 dmg increase. Conq. has significantly lower base dmg, but dat AM3.

Presumably if you have enough attack, Upheaval is going to wipe the floor with Ukko's. But I've never been impressed by my G.axe, which admittedly is a fairly weak Bravura.

Resolution is likely still WAR's best WS when you have shitloads of attack(Except when Cloudsplitter is being buffed to hell), but Savage is going to be better whenever you don't. That's my guess anyway.
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By Sylph.Atigevomega 2016-02-10 14:53:04
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Any of you have current gear set lists? I am coming back again after a year hiatus (I originally came back in October but left again in December until well like 2 days ago) And i wanted to gear war again before, but even more so now that my Ragnarok looks awesome! I would really appreciate any current sets that ican refer to and build towards, also considering Ragnarok, current GA is the new Kirin GA, not sure hwo good that is though. Have Minos and a few others too. just found Devivifier.
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By Sylph.Padisharcreel 2016-02-10 15:31:34
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Bravura got moved much closer to the top of the heap with this update. Looks like the highest base dmg gaxe in the game now and that's a huge chunk of accuracy. The aftermath isnt game breaking, but it does allow some flexibility in your hybrid/defense sets...

I haven't used Gswd in a lomg time on WAR due to the limited SC options and the fact that savage spam shits on everything else when SCs arent needed anyway.

That said, with the new adjustments to Ragnarok it should definitely be competitive if not surpass fencer builds in some situations. I've been averaging around 26-30% crit rate on 135 unity with a great axe so adding another 24% (holy hell, is this right?)to that along with !75! accuracy and the 2.5x procs might make it blow fencer builds right out of the water for higher end content.
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By Shiva.Flowen 2016-02-10 15:49:31
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So the melee update hasn't pulled Gaxe from the crypt at all?

I was thinking ukon looked a contender. For a job that has a fairly high tp damage:ws damage ratio, triple damage could be serious. 5k crits with all the DA/TA/QA gear available in today's game might top conqueror.. With 340 base dmg emps got the biggest increase.

Ragnarok - yes +24% crit and 75 acc! Looking forward to swinging it again. I think it will indeed be top when you have enough attack buffs
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By Quetzalcoatl.Trulusia 2016-02-10 16:28:48
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I think that's probably what it will come down to. Don't forget that Savage Blade comes out pretty nicely in the update also. The problem, and it's a minor one, is that you're just gunna TP more slowly in a Fencer build. For a pure zerg when you can blow everything out in a minute, Greatsword is going to be the king, but Bravura will give you more accuracy than Ragnarok. Not a hugely different amount, but it's worth noting.

Sword and Axe are still sitting pretty. Sword is better imho, as Axe options mostly suck. Tanmyugi or whatever it's called is pretty darn good in the current end game environment.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-10 19:37:32
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Here is how the Weapon types break down,

Pure WS Damage is low to moderate buffed content / situations is going to be a Fencer Savage Blade build.

Pure WS Damage in high buffed content / situations is going to be 119III Ragnarok spamming Resolution for ungodly damage. WAR with capped gifts has a 20% base crit rate, then add some gear and dDEX and you easily surpass 30%. Rag adds another 14% permanent, 10% when AM is up, and it's now worthwhile to keep it up. Bloodrage adds 40% for one minute. Buffed resolution is just stupid with Argosy +1, like mind blowingly stupid damage.

Now we get into two situational weapons

Great Axe is for making multi-step skillchains, which are very powerful. I will be starting on the Aeonic once I finish my current set up legendary weapons precisely for this reason. WAR can do a four or five step double light with Great Axe, so it's not really "weak", just situational and requires you to SC.

Axe is similar to Great Axe, you can make many different skillchains and even be the strong closer with Mistral and Cloudsplitter. Do not underestimate Mistral Axe, it's like Savage in that it has very strong TP scaling that can be abused with Fencer. Ruinator is distortion and enables a three or four step self light that closes with Cloudsplitter.


Here are some self SC's

Ukko's Fury (Kings Justice for Conq folks activating AM3) -> Steel Cyclone -> Upheaval -> Ukko's Fury -> Ukko's Fury

Resolution -> Ground Strike -> Scourge -> Resolution

Cloudsplitter -> Ruinator -> Mistral Axe -> Cloudsplitter

We can see that Great Sword's chain is very weak compared to the other two and Sword's is even worse.

Vorpal Blade -> Red Lotus Blade -> Flat Blade -> Savage Blade

Yeah it's that bad.

So in all honestly each weapon type is unique and has different advantages and disadvantages for it's use. WAR isn't about sitting on one weapon type forever and ever, it's about using the best tool for the job.

That all being said, the Emp GAXE looks pretty beastly with what they did to the AM effect. I'm kinda torn about it though because of how much DA WAR gets naturally causing it to be devalued. I'm sitting at 54% DA in my standard TP set. Mythic is probably still the absolute best due to its effect procing on WS's and it enhancing TP gain for doing those solo SC's.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Orestes 2016-02-10 20:44:16
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Asura.Saevel said: »
That all being said, the Emp GAXE looks pretty beastly with what they did to the AM effect. I'm kinda torn about it though because of how much DA WAR gets naturally causing it to be devalued. I'm sitting at 54% DA in my standard TP set. Mythic is probably still the absolute best due to its effect procing on WS's and it enhancing TP gain for doing those solo SC's.

Empyrean's AM - ODD/OTD does proc on DA/TA/QA and Zanshin swings. Unless there was some other reason that I failed to grasp, but you were probably thinking about relic ODD/OTD, as it can only proc on the first swing.
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By Dsuza 2016-02-10 21:42:03
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I would really appreciate some updated Reso / Savage Blade / Mistral Axe sets when someone has the time.

Yeah I know it's asking a lot but I'm excited with the update and want to do a major update to my WAR.

I know Saevel mentioned Argosy +1 for Reso. Is it all 5 pieces or just the Body/Head/Feet? Maybe the Legs too? I'm really behind on what augments the Ody and Val can get and how they compare.

Thanks in advance everyone


*Edit*

Even some TP sets too would be great now that I'm thinking more about it.
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By Asura.Saevel 2016-02-10 22:16:32
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Quetzalcoatl.Orestes said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
That all being said, the Emp GAXE looks pretty beastly with what they did to the AM effect. I'm kinda torn about it though because of how much DA WAR gets naturally causing it to be devalued. I'm sitting at 54% DA in my standard TP set. Mythic is probably still the absolute best due to its effect procing on WS's and it enhancing TP gain for doing those solo SC's.

Empyrean's AM - ODD/OTD does proc on DA/TA/QA and Zanshin swings. Unless there was some other reason that I failed to grasp, but you were probably thinking about relic ODD/OTD, as it can only proc on the first swing.

Unless you can point me to some testing I believe it was shown a long time ago that it only procs on the first hit of an attack round. This is what I've witnessed with my Almace and I have a ***ton of MA on BLU.

I'm all ears because that can really change how things are lined up right now.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Orestes 2016-02-10 23:07:58
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Orestes said: »
Asura.Saevel said: »
That all being said, the Emp GAXE looks pretty beastly with what they did to the AM effect. I'm kinda torn about it though because of how much DA WAR gets naturally causing it to be devalued. I'm sitting at 54% DA in my standard TP set. Mythic is probably still the absolute best due to its effect procing on WS's and it enhancing TP gain for doing those solo SC's.

Empyrean's AM - ODD/OTD does proc on DA/TA/QA and Zanshin swings. Unless there was some other reason that I failed to grasp, but you were probably thinking about relic ODD/OTD, as it can only proc on the first swing.

Unless you can point me to some testing I believe it was shown a long time ago that it only procs on the first hit of an attack round. This is what I've witnessed with my Almace and I have a ***ton of MA on BLU.

I'm all ears because that can really change how things are lined up right now.

No testing that I can find, but it's stated on bgwiki among other places. I'd wager you're thinking about relic's ODD, as it does only proc on the first swing.
Bgwiki - Empyrean AM

Took kannagi for a spin without an offhand weapon, and it's pretty easy to eye-ball ODD on multi-attacks.
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By Asura.Fiv 2016-02-10 23:31:50
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I know theres actual testing posted somewhere, i think i might have even done it myself at some point, but i can't find it. Anyway yes, empyrean can proc on multi-attacks, relic can't. Then theres hand to hand which is special in all the wrong ways.
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