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By Cerberus.Cavion 2013-07-22 15:30:19
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Either way majority of your warrior career well be doing easier content. and if you are doing tojli etc you well want alot more acc in your set then this.
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-07-22 15:34:46
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The set I posted is capped accuracy while using HQ pizza.

Fantasy of WAR on Tojil (not even with Razorfury):
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-07-22 15:46:06
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2hr WAR can hit 20k with Ixtab
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By Cerberus.Cavion 2013-07-22 15:47:33
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Probably but were talking about after the update lol
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-07-22 15:52:51
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Cerberus.Cavion said: »
Probably but were talking about after the update lol

My set was for now. I'm not sure how gearing for after the update, when accuracy will be even less of an issue, affects what I said.

The point of this thread is to be a reference for WARs, especially beginners. In light of the fact that a few days ago you were recommending TPing in 10% haste, and today you had WAR using pak corselet, perhaps it'd be best if you learned more about the job and how to gear it before contributing your own sets.
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By Angeljcar 2013-07-22 16:00:55
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How well off is a dual wielded war's DPS with Delve boss axe + a k club or some sort of beefy axe to off hand.
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By Sylph.Valleth 2013-07-22 17:05:33
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Cerberus.Cavion said: »
never seen a war in a delve mega boss run yet and i doubt we well. Same with thf or run etc why have a fantasy about doing the hardest content when in fact you prolly never get the chance.



Not only have i done Tojil on "Fantasy" War but i have done it on DW War. WS were ranging 2.5-3k during the first 25% as soon as it hit 75%
they jumped to 5-7k+ during slashing it was 6-9k+ and during MS i was hitting for 11-14k+ for the 60 seconds that MS was up i decimated Tojil. At the end of the run I wound up parsing 3rd place having 2 Monks in front but only by 3-5% in totall dmg. A well buffed warrior with all the trimmings has the potential to do just as well as a Drk if not better. Compared to a Mnk what warrior lacks in the swift white dmg it easily can make it up in the beefy WS dmg. At the end of the day Mnk will edge them out but Wars can still carry their weight in Delv or should be able to with the current gear that is available.
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By Cerberus.Cavion 2013-07-22 18:45:49
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Did the calcs with full buffs sole sushi, embrava, cor rotations, geos spells, 7 brd sv songs only only change from what i got posted is you need either a phos +1 to cap haste or the new pya'ekue belt. That also got 146 acc in tp set not including that gaxe skill or food and 152 acc in ws set w/o including gaxe skill or food so you really should not have a problem bashing him in the face.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-07-22 19:31:20
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Sylph.Valleth said: »
At the end of the day Mnk will edge them out but Wars can still carry their weight in Delv or should be able to with the current gear that is available.
I doubt that's true for current high-end WAR weaponry, but MNK's other benefits continue to shine regardless.
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By Sylph.Valleth 2013-07-22 20:36:08
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It is true when a well geared monk with Oatixurs receives the same buffs. Monk just pushes ahead it may not be by much but its very hard to compare to that solid white dmg and consistent shijins
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By Tickmeoff 2013-07-22 21:05:49
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Phoenix.Ayrendel said: »
Elvaan using Pizza +1, assuming no soul voice, but standard BRD songs for Tojil (2mad, 2 march, left it at 2 min), I have this set winning for both Restraint up and down.

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Edit: I also have it winning with NQ c.feet, which unfortunately is what I settled for after spending way too much on synths. Upheaval set is identical to Ejiin's.

Are the Ares+1 hands just for the set bonus? Buremte gloves seem better in every other way.
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-07-22 22:53:23
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Tickmeoff said: »
Are the Ares+1 hands just for the set bonus?

I had forgotten Buremte had haste on them among the clusterfuck of other stats, and realized it during ls events just now so hadn't gotten around to updating the post, but yeah, Buremte are better, but only if AF3+2 feet or Huginn obviously. Hrafn aren't worth it because of the 1 haste drop from Ares to Buremte.
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-07-22 23:15:14
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Sylph.Valleth said: »
It is true when a well geared monk with Oatixurs receives the same buffs. Monk just pushes ahead it may not be by much but its very hard to compare to that solid white dmg and consistent shijins

With regard to Tojil, it's more about their ability to 100 fists formless strikes. On the other mobs MNKs have tended to fall behind in my ls.
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By Sylph.Valleth 2013-07-23 00:45:06
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It's due to the initial 25% if your group tends to Formless HF burn down the first 25% like mine does the mnks push ahead from the start besides doing good in the piercing and slashing phases as well than obv doing fantastic the last 25% I see a constant teeter totter battle towards the head of the parse with the other dds and usually in my group at the end Mnks are on top. We do however if not taking a Drg take 2 drks and split them where its 2 mnk 1 drk to a pt and see that they are benefiting highly from a chaos roll usually well see crit hit rates from the mnks to upwards of 41-46% sometimes even a bit higher which i believe gives them the edge they need to push ahead and pull that 3%/ 5%/ 6% gap we'll tend to see at the end
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By Bahamut.Wakabo 2013-07-24 22:44:13
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Conqueror sets up to date I assume
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-07-24 23:02:27
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Bahamut.Wakabo said: »
Conqueror sets up to date I assume
Nope, but there's really no reason to be using it for now, sadly.
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By Bahamut.Wakabo 2013-07-24 23:08:07
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Soon
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-07-24 23:12:45
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Sylph.Valleth said: »
It's due to the initial 25% if your group tends to Formless HF burn down the first 25% like mine does the mnks push ahead from the start besides doing good in the piercing and slashing phases as well than obv doing fantastic the last 25% I see a constant teeter totter battle towards the head of the parse with the other dds and usually in my group at the end Mnks are on top. We do however if not taking a Drg take 2 drks and split them where its 2 mnk 1 drk to a pt and see that they are benefiting highly from a chaos roll usually well see crit hit rates from the mnks to upwards of 41-46% sometimes even a bit higher which i believe gives them the edge they need to push ahead and pull that 3%/ 5%/ 6% gap we'll tend to see at the end
This still sounds like pretty weak reasoning to state something as factually as you did a few posts up. It's kind of pointless to discuss it unless someone is feeling energetic enough to try to get real DPS estimates for MNK vs WAR vs DRK under fair circumstances (if such a thing exists). From what I've seen personally, it's pretty hard for a good MNK to consistently beat a good DRK in the current state of the game.

I mostly do delve bosses and ADL. Delve bosses are so funky that different jobs can shine on each one but I can say for sure that DRK is better than MNK for ADL, which should translate decently across other stat-capped situations where there aren't damage penalties or bonuses or other responsibilities that affect DPS.

So as I said before, now that WAR has good weapons again, I'm skeptical that MNK has any significant advantage over it other than its nice utility (namely, self and party survivability) but if we're going to consider those advantages, we also have to consider Warcry+Savagery and Blood Rage.

Edit: Or are we specifically only talking about Tojil? I thought you were generalizing.
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By Sylph.Valleth 2013-07-25 02:39:36
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Your logic is flawed, you've come undone.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-07-25 07:47:36
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Phoenix.Ayrendel said: »
Tickmeoff said: »
Are the Ares+1 hands just for the set bonus?

I had forgotten Buremte had haste on them among the clusterfuck of other stats, and realized it during ls events just now so hadn't gotten around to updating the post, but yeah, Buremte are better, but only if AF3+2 feet or Huginn obviously. Hrafn aren't worth it because of the 1 haste drop from Ares to Buremte.

Buremte is only winning because you need the accuracy(because you're assuming none-SV songs on something so hard). Ares' set, and even ogier/zoran/ravager legs combo(which is something like .4 DPS behind ares'), has a higher DPS potential if you swap to sole sushi or assume SV songs, add in GEO eva. down or just fast forward to August when we'll be instantly accuracy/attack capped on current content with Razorfury's new skill+.

Phoenix.Suji said: »
but if we're going to consider those advantages, we also have to consider Warcry+Savagery and Blood Rage.

Exactly this. In a 45min event, you should be able to use Blood Rage and Warcry at least 8 times each, thus boosting not only your DPS, but the DPS of your entire party for 40% of the run.

Side question: Has anyone tried Tomahawk on the mega bosses and have seen an impact? If it does, it would certainly justify at least one slot for a WAR regardless of its other benefits.
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By Sylph.Valleth 2013-07-25 08:57:07
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Actually went GA war and used Ixtab yesterday and slapped a tomahawk on Mr Dino from the start we had 4 other Mnks and a Drk the first 25% seemed to melt swiftly i was actually surprised at how well i personally did having a bit less than our usual buff rotation even during the initial 25% Upheavels were peeking towards the 4k+ range soon as that dropped i was more in the range of 5-7ks and slashing was fun had some beefy dmg during MS etc didn't see any 20k but 13-15ks were common. Its safe to say there def is a place for War in one of the DD slots and even more so after the update. I would def like to do more attempts as war to map out how much of an actual impact tomahawk has though that is if besides actually going to Tojil as war if it would be worth the dd slot on the bee or shark.
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-07-25 09:16:25
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Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
Buremte is only winning because you need the accuracy
Actually, the spreadsheet still shows capped accuracy on Tojil with Ares+1 hands, but switching to Buremte still raises DPS 34 points. If you're unable to replicate this, I'm guessing it is because of stat differences between races. I was using GEO evasion down, since it should be present all the time on Tojil and I don't like assuming SV is up, because without a successful wild card, it won't be for the duration of the fight.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-07-25 09:20:31
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Phoenix.Ayrendel said: »
Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
Buremte is only winning because you need the accuracy
Actually, the spreadsheet still shows capped accuracy on Tojil with Ares+1 hands, but switching to Buremte still raises DPS 34 points. If you're unable to replicate this, I'm guessing it is because of stat differences between races. I was using GEO evasion down, since it should be present all the time on Tojil and I don't like assuming SV is up, because without a successful wild card, it won't be for the duration of the fight.

But then account for GEO eva down, Hunter's roll or SV mad(ie. the only reason the ares' set is losing is because it's not capping acc, while Buremte is), even on elvaan, the ares' set will pull ahead if your accuracy is capped.

I'm using 180 AGI/DEX, 1000 DEF, 830 Eva for Tojil, btw.
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-07-25 09:25:38
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Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
the ares' set will pull ahead if your accuracy is capped
I literally just said that accuracy is still capped with Ares'+1 >.>

The newest version of the spreadsheet that I have has Tojil at Lv130, 1900 Defense, 870 Evasion, 150 VIT/AGI
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-07-25 09:36:32
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There are literally only 2 ways Buremte can beat Ares' DA+3% from the set bonus:

1) Accuracy isn't capped using Ares'
2) Gaining a significant dDEX boost from Buremte.

Recent testing from Motenten is showing bosses to have VIT in the range of 200. Safe to assume AGI is close to that and at least over 180, so even with Buremte, you won't be anywhere near a dDEX sweet spot for them to beat DA+3%.

So I have no clue how you could possibly have them beating Ares' if both of their accuracy is capped, since it is basically 3% DA vs. 1 STR.
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-07-25 09:41:51
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Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
I have no clue how you could possibly have them beating Ares' if both of their Accuracy is capped
dDEX 20 -> 51
C.Rate 35% ->47%
Avg Dmg per round 1448.54 -> 1504.211
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-07-25 10:15:41
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I think I see now. You're using Boost-DEX on both sets. If you use Boost-STR on the Ares' set, its potential DPS is higher.

I made the same mistake in using Boost-STR on both sets, which is why I wasn't seeing anything more than a 3% crit. increase using Burmete using your 150 AGI example, which I do believe would be accurate for tier1-5, but you'll be nowhere close to that dDEX spot on MBs.
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By Phoenix.Ayrendel 2013-07-25 10:58:39
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Yeah, I used Boost-DEX because that's what I've been getting. And I hadn't looked into the Tojil stats too much, just assumed the updated spreadsheet reflected them.
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Got to go DW war again to Mr dino once again WS dmg was amazing lacked in white dmg though Hopefully upcoming update and some more testing with different sets will beef it up.
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