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By Leviathan.Andret 2013-05-27 12:00:14
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My warrior doesn't have RME or Upheaval. I'm wondering if it's viable to use axe with ruinator or lower it and put merits into upheaval or resolution while I try to get a better great axe.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-05-27 12:05:21
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If you can just switch to drk. It doesn't sound like your war will be viable after r/e/m update anyway and drk should put out better numbers for now. If you want to stick with war I'd go the upheaval route.
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By Leviathan.Andret 2013-05-27 14:57:58
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Drk with Ruinator will be better than War? I don't have Drk leveled so I'm pretty split between the what to focus on at the moment.
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By Leviathan.Syagin 2013-05-27 15:12:38
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Carraway Author said: »
Cerberus.Phyrefly said: »
So all of these tp sets people are posting, particularly the Bloodbath TP Max by Ejiin, are 5 hit builds? If so, can someone please explain how this works or point me in the direction of the info? How much store tp do you need for a 5 hit build for Bloodbath? Sorry if this is something that has been answered before.
I would read and reread this until you feel like you understand it: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Store_TP Then play around with this until you really get it: http://www.heckdesigns.com/demos/ffxi-calculators/stp.php
The poor guy can't even get a simple question answered lol.... aren't we suppose to bless those that hold less knowledge not make life harder for them? how will that link help him if he doen't even understand the simple math of STP?
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By R3G1STRY 2013-05-27 15:18:43
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Leviathan.Syagin said: »
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Cerberus.Phyrefly said: »
So all of these tp sets people are posting, particularly the Bloodbath TP Max by Ejiin, are 5 hit builds? If so, can someone please explain how this works or point me in the direction of the info? How much store tp do you need for a 5 hit build for Bloodbath? Sorry if this is something that has been answered before.
I would read and reread this until you feel like you understand it: http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Store_TP Then play around with this until you really get it: http://www.heckdesigns.com/demos/ffxi-calculators/stp.php
The poor guy can't even get a simple question answered lol.... aren't we suppose to bless those that hold less knowledge not make life harder for them? how will that link help him if he doen't even understand the simple math of STP?

It gives examples and explains how it works. That explains it quite a bit better than I would have. I'd say this is much better, though.

Leviathan.Andret said: »
Drk with Ruinator will be better than War? I don't have Drk leveled so I'm pretty split between the what to focus on at the moment.
DRK with Resolution would more than likely be better than WAR if you're unable to merit Upheaval. If you really want to play WAR, get Bloodbath and merit Upheaval for now.
 
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By Cerberus.Phyrefly 2013-05-27 18:55:25
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Not that it matters, but I'm a girl. :P I'm 37, so even simple math can be difficult for me at times, because it's been so damn long since I've really had to use it. I did graduate from college with a 3.72 so I'm not completely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, but sometimes when I look at the math and try to figure it out, my brain just shuts down. Thanks for pointing the way to these links. I'll check them out and go from there and possibly ask more questions. In the meantime, are these sets that are being posted 5-hit builds? Thanks.
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By R3G1STRY 2013-05-27 18:59:01
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ItemSet 300157

is a 5-hit and I think the Conqueror sets are also 5-hits. Ukonvasara and Ragnarok aren't worth 5-hitting (the latter I don't think you even can) because you lose too many other beneficial stats.
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By Bismarck.Pebbs 2013-05-27 19:02:01
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Are the sets in the initial post (as well as the table of contents in that post) still relevant, or have they been superseded by any of the gear from Adoulin yet?
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By Cerberus.Phyrefly 2013-05-27 19:05:41
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Ooh ooh, I think I got it. I need 31 Store TP if I am 99war/sam using Bloodbath Axe?
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-05-27 19:21:29
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Yes, 46 stp should do it for 5-hit.
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By cavion1 2013-05-27 20:15:26
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here is a 5 hit build:
TP set
input /equip ammo "Ravager's Orb";
input /equip ear1 "Steelflash Earring";
input /equip ear2 "Bladeborn Earring";
input /equip neck "Asperity Necklace";
input /equip sub "Duplus Grip";
input /equip waist "Zoran's Belt";
input /equip back "Atheling Mantle";
input /equip legs "Rvg. Cuisses +2";
input /equip ring1 "Tyrant's Ring";
input /equip ring2 "Rajas Ring";
input /equip feet "Mikinaak Greaves";
input /equip hands "Ogier's Gauntlets";
input /equip head "Mikinaak Helm";
input /equip main "Bloodbath Axe";
input /equip body "Karieyh Haubert";

WS Set
input /equip waist "Caudata Belt";
input /equip feet "Karieyh Sollerets";
input /equip ear1 "Steelflash Earring";
input /equip main "Bloodbath Axe";
input /equip back "Atheling Mantle";
input /equip hands "Phorcys Mitts";
input /equip sub "Duplus Grip";
input /equip neck "Asperity Necklace";
input /equip head "Ravager's Mask +2";
input /equip ring1 "Tyrant's Ring";
input /equip ear2 "Bladeborn Earring";
input /equip ammo "Ravager's Orb";
input /equip ring2 "Terrasoul Ring";
input /equip legs "Miki. Cuisses";
input /equip body "Miki. Breastplate";
annoying I know but my item sets never show and when I link they never work. yet to lose a dps parse and only rank 10 miki and g.axe
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By Cerberus.Phyrefly 2013-05-27 22:17:03
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Thank you for all your help guys. I appreciate it. ^^
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By Alexander.Kryptonitic 2013-05-28 17:50:59
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cavion1 said: »
here is a 5 hit build:
TP set
input /equip sub "Duplus Grip";
input /equip body "Karieyh Haubert";

WS Set
input /equip ear1 "Steelflash Earring";
input /equip back "Atheling Mantle";
input /equip neck "Asperity Necklace";
input /equip ring1 "Tyrant's Ring";
input /equip ear2 "Bladeborn Earring";
input /equip ammo "Ravager's Orb";

yet to lose a dps parse and only rank 10 miki and g.axe

This is the reason I only listen to people like Ejin and Registry who time and time again back up their equipment sets with math and don't make silly comments like that. Some of the pieces you WS in are... silly. By having a duplus grip you show you have access to top end gear. By equipping a terrasoul ring you show you understand Upheaval needs Vit. So why on earth do you tp in Kari Haubert? Not WS in Moonshade/Brutal, WS in str+4 instead of Vit+5? Your equipment choices are far from close to sensible so I would suggest people ignore them and look at other gearsets posted.
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By Bahamut.Malothar 2013-05-28 19:06:18
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Saw the awkward gear choices as well. Only thing I liked (but not advised) was having the STP on WS allowing you to miss a single hit and still 5 hit. Typically a hit from a mob takes care of that though.

Guessing the awkward choices are due to missing perfect auged Armada, but if that's the case, you're far better off using Empy body +2 and Ravager's Orb or Fire Bomblet to maintain a 5 hit. Kinda lol @ 25% haste as well. Miki. Greaves B are a nice piece if you absolutely need that acc, but overall they're not anything great for War. And since this isn't an acc heavy boss gear set, you're not going to need that acc.
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By Valefor.Psykopat 2013-05-30 01:38:37
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Hi,

I sadly can't put my hand on ogier gauntlets (horrible luck in VW overall). Could you guys give me a bloodbath 5-Hit tp setup without them please ? I Upheaval in 12 stp.

Oh, Phos +1 and delve mega boss gears are out out my reach also ; ;

The only decent setups I manage to get are only 25% haste or haste overshoot but no ravager's mufflers but I'm more than likely missing something.

Thx in advance!

Edit: It's for delve farming or NM KI mainly. /SAM obviously?
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-05-30 01:45:53
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Use phorcys hands in place of af3+2 hands -
ItemSet 299866

If you don't have access to phorcys use Karieyh head, karieyh hands, af3+2 legs, goading belt, white tathlum, and rose strap. If you can't get that maybe just give up on war.
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By Odin.Brozzzz 2013-05-30 01:47:49
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Here's the set I've been using. I've been unlucky to obtain a Quauhpilli Helm :(.

ItemSet 300176

Other options / gear swaps:
Hands -> Karieyh
Legs -> Ravager's
Back -> Letalis

EDIT:
Restraint up:

Belt -> Zoran
Legs -> Phorcys*
Ammo -> Ravager's
Hands -> Ravager's (obviously but heh)
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By Valefor.Psykopat 2013-05-30 01:54:03
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@Decimus and Brozzzz

I thought I had to tp in 36 stp gears (with /SAM) to reach a true 5-Hit build, both your sets are lacking like 10. Am I wrong with the 36 stp value ?

I used this calculator: http://www.heckdesigns.com/demos/ffxi-calculators/stp.php and a WS tp return of 17.3 tp (which might be wrong also)

Edit: Decimus your set is 25% haste

Edit2: I wasn't clear, I do have AF3+2 hands and would like to keep them in my tp set if possible.
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By Sylph.Decimus 2013-05-30 01:59:31
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You're not adding extra hits from upheaval to your ws numbers. You need them all to land, but it works.
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By Valefor.Psykopat 2013-05-30 02:08:20
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Oh yeah indeed, I can actually expect if all hits land a tp return of 20.6 from Upheaval? Changes everything >.<
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By Odin.Alphonze 2013-05-30 04:48:48
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i have caud belt but light puts out better numbers from what ive seen since it carries over. im missing hands/head for my upheaval set. (using +2 head & war mufflers+2 atm) also every war ive asked says atheling for back piece. i would think that 5 vit 5 str is better than 7 vit. its only a 2 vit gain with double terra.then again im going for best numbers vs all mobs, mostly bosses. a nice set for delve megabosses would be nice, should ppl stop being gimp & fight them instead of reading what forums tell them.
current totals are :
111(+64) str(no hasso, +71 with)
86(+11)dex
89+83 vit
79 acc(no JA)
719 att(no JA)
987 att(hasso, zerk, warcry)
miki body rank 7 atm, so add 8.5 more att when 15, str/att totalled)
legs will add 26.5 att when capped at 15 also(using kari atm), totaling 1022 attack with berserk/warcry/hasso up, thats with garbage hands & head, and a dex path delve GA.
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By Odin.Alphonze 2013-05-30 04:58:20
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forgot to add thats without food, with it id have to redo the math, but inside delve & on bosses im consistent 2.5k without JA, 4-5k with, and a decent amt of 6-7k spikes. (obviously i have bards & cors, but without i still manage around 2-4k avg, the spikes being 4kish) (probably every 1 in 12 ws spike that high with ja on, all without MS) most of those numbers are w/o war charge, but my higher spikes have been with it. and in being gone(and while writing this, lol) i had forgot that blood rage overwrites warcry lmao, so ive been fking upon myself cuz of my macros. (im on failbox, if that matters.) it varies frombrd n cor to the next but when full buffs are on i hardly ever go under 4k. god i love emp bards.
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By Odin.Alphonze 2013-05-30 05:01:45
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on a side note, how much plasm are you all making in 45 min?(sorry derailr or if wrong place, but most here are high end wars or aspiring ones) the NA grps here suck ***. i go with japanese & only 1 NA grp. jp grp never goes under 9k, 12k is avg. NA grp(i helped with strat, stole from Pokorny) is avg7.5k but recently going up to 9.5k. (kill mata with 2 mnks every time)
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By Odin.Alphonze 2013-05-30 05:14:46
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sorry for multi post, but this brought up a good point while i wrote all this and was reading arguments about rvg head vs twilight helm, could someone run numbers on miki hands vs phorys? obv 2% more da is nice, but miki hands capped are 10 str 28 att 7 vit vs... 9 str 9 vit 2 da and 15 att. both sound very nice imo, but better i think is what we all look for. ill try and ss a bunch of upheavals also for u guys (i suck at forums and hate them rly, because of all the fgt behavior, so gl with me figuring out how to post them lol)
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By Alexander.Kryptonitic 2013-05-30 06:04:46
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Upheaval is a 4 Hit WS so in these numbers I'm assuming all 4 hits land. With a Warrior's level of double attack I'm assuming a DA somewhere in thie WS will account for any missed hits. If you miss the first hit of a Weaponskill then your X-Hit will always be broken so just take it on the chin when this happens. (This is all based as War/Sam and the 15stp from sub is not shown)
STP Used in WS = STP Needed for 5 Hit = STP Needed for 6 Hit
0 = 34 = 4
1 = 34 = 4
2 = 33 = 4
3 = 33 = 4
4 = 32 = 3
5 = 31 = 2
6 = 31 = 2
7 = 31 = 2
8 = 31 = 2
9 = 31 = 2
10 = 31 = 2
11 = 30 = 2
12 = 30 = 2
13 = 30 = 1
14 = 29 = 1
15 = 29 = 0

On the assumption people WS in Karieyh Sollerets and Brutal Earring That's 6STP So you need to make up 31 STP in a tp set.

Edited numbers as I blonde momented and put in 5 hit numbers, Ty Saevel for pulling me up on that
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-05-30 06:17:02
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Quote:
Upheaval is a 5 Hit WS so in these numbers I'm assuming all 5 hits land.

I was under the assumption that Upheaval was a 4 hit WS that is 1.0 fTP per hit and doesn't transfer fTP bonus's.
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By Alexander.Kryptonitic 2013-05-30 06:28:47
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
Quote:
Upheaval is a 5 Hit WS so in these numbers I'm assuming all 5 hits land.

I was under the assumption that Upheaval was a 4 hit WS that is 1.0 fTP per hit and doesn't transfer fTP bonus's.

Completely right on the 4 hit. Brb with an Edit of numbers
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