(Don't) Fear The Reaper: A Dark Knight Guide

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 Sylph.Seidell
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By Sylph.Seidell 2020-05-30 14:15:33
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Bismarck.Firedemon said: »
I love Calad, you're just a force to be reckoned with. Just something about Apoc and being near invincible just gives me a chub.

That's why i want both lol
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By Carbuncle.Razziel 2020-07-12 07:23:50
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How does Liberator stack up today?
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By Taint 2020-07-12 07:46:12
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Carbuncle.Razziel said: »
How does Liberator stack up today?

Best Scythe. About par with Cala for DPS but way more fun.
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2020-07-19 15:02:47
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Liberator gang assemble!



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By Ragnarok.Endtanis 2020-07-23 12:35:41
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Hi all,

Is it possible to cap VIT on Torcleaver?
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By Crossbones 2020-07-23 12:40:18
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No.
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By Shiva.Humpo 2020-07-23 17:43:40
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Crossbones said: »
No.

What about a brew? :D
Technically that is "the cap"
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By Bahamut.Keeriyis 2020-07-30 21:53:39
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Bismarck.Firedemon said: »
Apocalypse makes you nearly an invincible brick ***house. Weapon Bash > Nightmare Scythe, MB Drain 3, get your spikes up and just laugh. Apoc is one of the funnest weapons to use IMO.

Fun indeed. I used to really squeeze cheeks when I saw Hundred Fists or EES. Now I make sure I have what Ruaumoko on Asura calls 'optimal circumstances" and pretty much shrug them off.
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By Felgarr 2020-07-31 01:02:49
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Bahamut.Keeriyis said: »
Bismarck.Firedemon said: »
Apocalypse makes you nearly an invincible brick ***house. Weapon Bash > Nightmare Scythe, MB Drain 3, get your spikes up and just laugh. Apoc is one of the funnest weapons to use IMO.

Fun indeed. I used to really squeeze cheeks when I saw Hundred Fists or EES. Now I make sure I have what Ruaumoko on Asura calls 'optimal circumstances" and pretty much shrug them off.

I'm missing the reference I guess. What's optimal circumstances according to Rua?
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By Lakshmi.Abaddon 2020-07-31 19:07:45
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So, how far off is Ullr being bis for majority of stuff drk wants?
The only major weakness is lack of Stp and HP/dt that I can tell. Can’t that be made up elsewhere? please inform me. Not trolling.
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-07-31 19:15:08
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It's basically only useful as a MACC piece for when you really, really need to land an Armor Break or something. It's basically equal to R15 Seething Bomblet +1 for Resolution, but the fact you have to TP in it as well hurts it pretty badly.

15 DEX and 40 MACC is a LOT for that slot, though.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-07-31 19:16:01
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Lakshmi.Abaddon said: »
So, how far off is Ullr being bis for majority of stuff drk wants?
The only major weakness is lack of Stp and HP/dt that I can tell. Can’t that be made up elsewhere? please inform me. Not trolling.

It may have function for its magic accuracy, but the problem is that if you swap from an ammo piece, like an Auglemir Orb, Yetshila, etc to a ranged piece, like the Ullr, you lose all TP. Such a swap is manageable for backline mages, but to really use it on DRK you're going to have to give up ANY ammo piece for ANY set. That's a big sacrifice.
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By Asura.Mims 2020-07-31 20:13:14
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I made Ullr and Khonsu a long time ago for a max magic accuracy set. I did the work, I can swap them in when I need them.

I think I've used them at most twice now. I just don't need them.

Ullr has nice stats, but Aurgelmir Orb +1, Knobkierrie, and Seething Bomblet +1 are just too important to pass on.
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By Lakshmi.Abaddon 2020-07-31 20:44:18
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Wow didn’t even know about seething bomblet augments. Disregard anything I posted about ullr. My arguments would have gone deaf with Bomb having 15 str us extra goodness.
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By Asura.Mims 2020-07-31 20:54:30
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If you have a pulse weapon on hand and want to use it for Dark Knight, get a Lycurgos, not Ullr. Lycurgos is fantastic.
In my opinion, Lycurgos and Apocalypse are the two weapons a new DRK should aim for before anything else.
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By Shiva.Anoq 2020-08-01 00:20:15
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Asura.Mims said: »
If you have a pulse weapon on hand and want to use it for Dark Knight, get a Lycurgos, not Ullr. Lycurgos is fantastic.
In my opinion, Lycurgos and Apocalypse are the two weapons a new DRK should aim for before anything else.

Jumped on the DRK wagon not too long ago, ended up making Calad for it as I had been hoarding the upgrade mats for a while. These are the two weapons I'm working on now. Just need a pulse to finish the GA (be nice having access to Full Break and Fell Cleave on DRK). Apoc is gonna take me a bit as I'm farming it more or less, spending my gil on R15ing my Calad. Can't wait to have some different options to play around with, but I must say I do love my Calad.
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By Asura.Mims 2020-08-01 09:14:14
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The more I think about it, the more Lycurgos appeals to me as a starter weapon for a new Dark Knight.

For those who weren't aware, Lycurgos grants a TP bonus based on your current HP.
This bonus is based on your raw HP, not your HP percentage.
At 2000 HP Lycurgos grants +400 TP bonus, at 5000 HP the TP bonus caps out at +1000 TP bonus. Considering that Warrior gets +500 TP bonus on Chango, and how popular that weapon is, this should be a good indicator that Lycurgos is a big deal.
This means the wielder has to pay attention to keeping their maximum HP as high as possible with drains, further adding incentive to building good drain hygiene. Incentivizing positive habits is good!

So what does Lycurgos have going for it?
TP Bonus up to +1000: Make all WS Bigger
Armor Break: Lower enemy defense by 25%
Shield Break: Lower enemy evasion by 40
Fell Cleave: The biggest AoE physical WS Drk has access to
Steel Cyclone: A deceptively strong single hit WS, more on this later
Upheaval: Needs merits, but Upheaval is a great axe Warrior's bread and butter these days. Hits hard and scales well with TP.
Good accuracy values: 250 Great Axe Skill, accuracy +40, Dex +20 makes for a big chunk of accuracy. Yes Drk has lower Great Axe skill than Scythe or Great Sword, Lycurgos is still more accurate out of the box than Caladbolg.
Good Stat values: +20 STR +20 Dex and +20 Vit are all significant stat modifiers for Great Axe weapon skills. These add up!
"Steel Cyclone": Get access to Steel Cyclone without having to quest it is convenient, and also grants the WS a straight up +30% damage multiplier!
Easy Drain SC + MB: With at least ignominy gauntlets +2 you can easily make your own compression SC with Weapon Bash to Keen Edge or Upheaval. This is convenient for letting even a relatively new Drk magic burst Drain 2 or 3 for large amounts, which directly contributes to damage output in the form of TP bonus. I generally prefer Keen Edge over Upheaval for this, so as not to kill the mob before landing the magic burst.

What does Lycurgos have going against it?
Skillchains: Drk does not get access to any great axe WS that have an inherent level 3 SC property. Furthermore the two WS we get that have level 2 properties (Distortion on Steel Cyclone, Fusion on Upheaval) do not directly make a level 3 SC with each other. Multistep Darkness skillchains are an option, but not convenient when compared with Entropy <=> Cross Reaper, for instance.
Not a REMA: Lets not kid ourselves, ignorant party leaders assume that if you don't have a REMA you haven't invested enough into your job. Lycurgos can be extremely competetive even with R15 REMA weapons, especially when attack is not capped. The only way to get around the "No REMA no party" mentality is to show people how strong Lycurgos is, despite not being a REMA.

"Wait a sec, you said Lycurgos is competetive with R15? And whats this about attack cap?"
Yes, yes it is. Lycurgos has two attack related things that make it shine when attack is not capped. Obviously Armor Break raises the damage of the entire alliance, but Steel Cyclone also gets its own +50% attack bonus.
Steel Cyclone is a good WS. Yes, its fTP values look weak at first glance. 1.5 fTP at 1000 TP, 2.5 fTP at 2000, 4.0 fTP at 3000 does not look huge compared to Torcleaver. Keep in mind, with drains capping out Lycurgos' TP bonus value and a TP bonus Moonshade Earring, we are effectively starting at 2250 TP, or 2.875 fTP . Secondly, Steel Cyclone has abnormally large stat mods. 60% Str, 60% Vit, and 10% Dex (Assuming Utu Grip) adds more damage than you might think. Thirdly, Steel Cyclone has an inherent 50% attack bonus on it, which is easy to ignore. This is why Spinning Slash was so good back in the day. Attack does not cap in all situations, and a newbie Drk is going to be uncapped on attack a lot more than a more experienced Drk. Attack is what can potentially make Lycurgos better than REMA weapons. Finally, Lycurgos gets a +30% bonus to Steel Cyclone damage that multiplies with other factors.

All these factors combine to make Steel Cyclone with Lycurgos really good. And then when attack is higher, Warriors already know that Upheaval is a badass WS, so Lycurgos has that going for it as well.

So yeah, wall of text. (Now edited for clarity, removed typos)

Lycurgos has incredible utility and damage, you should get one.

tldr;
New to Dark Knight? Get a Lycurgos to start out with before going for a REMA weapon.
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By Siren.Kyte 2020-08-01 09:34:24
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Skillchains: Drk does not get access to any great axe WS that have an inherent level 3 SC property. Furthermore two WS we get that have level 2 properties (Distortion on Steel Cyclone, Fusion on Upheaval) do not make a level 3 SC with each other.

You can do Steel Cyclone->Upheaval->Steel Cyclone for Darkness.

EDIT: sorry, you do need force the detonation property with another step, such as by opening with Armor Break (which you may want to do anyways) or with another Upheaval.
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By Asura.Mims 2020-08-01 09:42:34
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I am aware that you can 3 step darkness with great axe, the point I'm trying to make is that it's not the most convenient, especially when compared to something braindead easy like Torcleaver to Torcleaver.

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Siren.Kyte said: »
You can do Steel Cyclone->Upheaval->Steel Cyclone for Darkness.
That doesn't make Darkness.
Upheaval => Steel Cyclone => Upheaval => Steel Cyclone is darkness in a 4 step, to 3 step Dark you need Fell Cleave => Upheaval => Steel Cyclone.
The problem is getting the Gravitation property in there
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By Crossbones 2020-08-01 17:25:31
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You're doing the lord's work Mims. Nice writeup.
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By Leviathan.Celebrindal 2020-08-01 18:20:06
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its a free, incredibly valuable beginner weapon and incredibly versatile weapon that STAYS in your arsenal even with multiple RMEAs. The ability, if needed, to provide those Breaks for an entire party/alliance if no WAR present is always valuable, even if you just pop the Break and swap to your main weapon choice.

EXCELLENT pointing all of the benefits of Lycurgos!
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By Asura.Mims 2020-08-01 19:34:22
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Glad you guys liked it, tried to clean it up, make it more readable and removed some typos.
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By Galkapryme 2020-08-10 19:37:07
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I value versatility, so these are the weapon sets I have for my DRK:
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-- Weapons sets
	sets.weapons.Apocalypse = {main="Apocalypse",sub="Utu Grip"}
	sets.weapons.FatherTime = {main="Father Time",sub="Utu Grip"}
	sets.weapons.Nanadaka = {main="Nanadaka",sub="Utu Grip"}
	sets.weapons.Ragnarok = {main="Ragnarok",sub="Utu Grip"}
	sets.weapons.Lycurgos = {main="Lycurgos",sub="Utu Grip"}
	sets.weapons.Naegling1 = {main="Naegling",sub="Sangarius +1"}
	sets.weapons.Naegling2 = {main="Naegling",sub="Pukulatmuj +1"}
	sets.weapons.Sangarius  = {main="Sangarius +1","Pukulatmuj +1"}
	


Ragnarok is in-work, which is why I also have Nanadaka. Father Time is for Undead fights.
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