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July Version Update...
 Ramuh.Dasva
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 13:10:13
Tbest said: Do either of you have Kaiten? No? Pointless discussions are pointless. Sam's not getting any adjustments, so really there's no need to even bring them up here. How about we talk about the update? And I'm pretty sure Kaiten > Kaiten DOES do a light SC btw.
OMG IF IM NOT A RELIC SAM I CAN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!! I happen to roll with one all the time. So yeah I know about kaiten and I'm right about it.... or you could just spend 5 seconds looking up skillchains instead of saying you think you know.
 Ifrit.Daemun
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 13:12:13
Tbest said: Do either of you have Kaiten? No? Pointless discussions are pointless. Sam's not getting any adjustments, so really there's no need to even bring them up here. How about we talk about the update? And I'm pretty sure Kaiten > Kaiten DOES do a light SC btw. No but I have a good shell mate friend that does... and you are correct Kaiten> Kaiten is light. I have seen him do 4 of them in a row (closed light off someone else, 200%+Sekkanoki+Meditate+Wing) Besides I'm working on Amano, I'll let have personal proof.
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-06-15 13:16:04
Dasva said: OMG IF IM NOT A RELIC SAM I CAN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!! I happen to roll with one all the time. So yeah I know about kaiten and I'm right about it.... or you could just spend 5 seconds looking up skillchains instead of saying you think you know. *Shrugs.* I 'tried' to keep it on-topic... http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/ffxi/images/0/0f/WSCHART1-8.pnghttp://magitekarmy.com/skillchain.php
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2009-06-15 13:47:06
Not disagreeing that Kaiten > Kaiten makes light, but those 2 links didn't prove that it does lol. The first link only shows Kaiten on one side of the Light skillchain group, and I tried the skillchain calculator from the other link and put Kaiten as player 1 and 2, and there was no skillchain calculated.
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-06-15 13:48:54
Bojack said: Not disagreeing that Kaiten > Kaiten makes light, but those 2 links didn't prove that it does lol. The first link only shows Kaiten on one side of the Light skillchain group, and I tried the skillchain calculator from the other link and put Kaiten as player 1 and 2, and there was no skillchain calculated. Put in 75 sam for both players using GK, then limit it to lvl 3 sc's and INCLUDE relic/mythic weaponskills. Don't worry, Bojack, just a case of operator error.
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By Ramuh.Cace 2009-06-15 13:53:51
Dasva said: Daemun said: Dasva said: Daemun said: Tachi: Kaiten x5 {do you need it?} Why would you do that? They don't make light together and you can only continue lvl 3 once. Tachi: Kaiten is a high level, Light-based weapon skill with Fragmentation properties. It can only skillchain with high level weapon skills only obtainable beyond level 67. It can open and close Light skillchains, open for Distortion skillchains, and close for Fragmentation skillchains. If used immediately after a Light skillchain, it can create another Light skillchain. When used with Meikyo Shisui, it can be used for multiple Light skillchains back to back. I see you didnt get what I was saying. Ok 1 kaiten kaiten doesn't make light. 2 you cant do more then 2 lvl 3 skillchains in a row. Dasva, Dude how many time have you seen me use my relic GK? I do multiple light all the time KAsha>>Kaiten>>Kaiten even Kaiten>> Kaiten all make light Next time we do something together I will show you. For example, I can make light when Greystroke uses Knights of the Round and Kaiten(light SC) Followed by Kaiten(Double Light)
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 13:55:37
Cace said: Dasva,
Dude how many time have you seen me use my relic GK? I do multiple light all the time KAsha>>Kaiten>>Kaiten even Kaiten>> Kaiten all make light
Next time we do something together I will show you. For example, I can make light when Greystroke uses Knights of the Round and Kaiten(light SC) Followed by Kaiten(Double Light) Could swear ever time it was always kasha kaiten kaiten... thats still only 2 lights... also knights of the round is a bad example seeing as its shown on the other side of the light portion of the skillchain table
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2009-06-15 13:57:00
Tbest said: Put in 75 sam for both players using GK, then limit it to lvl 3 sc's and INCLUDE relic/mythic weaponskills.
Don't worry, Bojack, just a case of operator error. Aha, yea my bad, just figured everything was defaulted to be included.
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By Ramuh.Cace 2009-06-15 14:01:06
Dasva said: Cace said: Dasva,
Dude how many time have you seen me use my relic GK? I do multiple light all the time KAsha>>Kaiten>>Kaiten even Kaiten>> Kaiten all make light
Next time we do something together I will show you. For example, I can make light when Greystroke uses Knights of the Round and Kaiten(light SC) Followed by Kaiten(Double Light) Could swear ever time it was always kasha kaiten kaiten... thats still only 2 lights... Well you are right on that one Dasva.... I can not continue Light SC with Kaiten>>Kaiten>>Kaiten But Kasha>>Kaiten>>Kaiten (Double Light Sc) so When I wanna do lots of SCs Sekk Kasha>>Kaiten>>2hour>>Kaiten(double light)>>Kasha>>(Meditate)>>Kaiten>>Kaiten(double Light again) Make sense?
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 14:01:39
Bojack said: Not disagreeing that Kaiten > Kaiten makes light, but those 2 links didn't prove that it does lol. The first link only shows Kaiten on one side of the Light skillchain group, and I tried the skillchain calculator from the other link and put Kaiten as player 1 and 2, and there was no skillchain calculated. Have to uncheck the "ignore relic WS" button... Light (Level 3) Magic Burst: Light, Fire, Wind, Lightning #1: Player 1 - Tachi:Kaiten (R) -> #2: Player 2 - Tachi:Kaiten (R) #1: Player 2 - Tachi:Kaiten (R) -> #2: Player 1 - Tachi:Kaiten (R) Data obtained from AlexisLucia's Skillchain Calculator - http://magitekarmy.com/skillchain.php I shoulda never mentioned a relic WS...it became the topic of the thread.
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 14:03:47
July update FIX NIN!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 14:03:49
Cace said: Dasva said: Cace said: Dasva,
Dude how many time have you seen me use my relic GK? I do multiple light all the time KAsha>>Kaiten>>Kaiten even Kaiten>> Kaiten all make light
Next time we do something together I will show you. For example, I can make light when Greystroke uses Knights of the Round and Kaiten(light SC) Followed by Kaiten(Double Light) Could swear ever time it was always kasha kaiten kaiten... thats still only 2 lights... Well you are right on that one Dasva.... I can not continue Light SC with Kaiten>>Kaiten>>Kaiten But Kasha>>Kaiten>>Kaiten (Double Light Sc) so When I wanna do lots of SCs Sekk Kasha>>Kaiten>>2hour>>Kaiten(double light)>>Kasha>>(Meditate)>>Kaiten>>Kaiten(double Light again) Make sense? Of course it makes sense that was what I was argueing.
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By Fairy.Azulmagia 2009-06-15 14:05:26
Daemun said: SAM is the only job that gets innate Store TP. BLU gets Store TP at level 69 :V
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By Ramuh.Cace 2009-06-15 14:06:05
Dasva said: Cace said: Dasva said: Cace said: Dasva,
Dude how many time have you seen me use my relic GK? I do multiple light all the time KAsha>>Kaiten>>Kaiten even Kaiten>> Kaiten all make light
Next time we do something together I will show you. For example, I can make light when Greystroke uses Knights of the Round and Kaiten(light SC) Followed by Kaiten(Double Light) Could swear ever time it was always kasha kaiten kaiten... thats still only 2 lights... Well you are right on that one Dasva.... I can not continue Light SC with Kaiten>>Kaiten>>Kaiten But Kasha>>Kaiten>>Kaiten (Double Light Sc) so When I wanna do lots of SCs Sekk Kasha>>Kaiten>>2hour>>Kaiten(double light)>>Kasha>>(Meditate)>>Kaiten>>Kaiten(double Light again) Make sense? Of course it makes sense that was what I was argueing. Ahh ok I misunderstood, I thought you were saying Kaiten >> Kaiten wouldnt make light sc my bad
Ifrit.Daemun
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 14:08:37
To OP: July Updates-
Change PUP to MNK
Chance DRG, WAR, NIN, DRK to SAM
Give MNK a way to actually put DMG on 85+NMs (Change MNK to SAM)
Change SCH to BLM
Pretty much make endgame the way it is today, PLD, SAM, BLM, WHM TH4
Nerf BLM and break SAM
(Oh wait this was for future updates, not previous ones?)
EDIT: Because BLU counts? ; ) unless you count Nyzul Isle, then it counts four times.
Remora.Dubont
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 14:09:50
i want sch to stay where it is...if something happens and it actually gets an update to make it nuke as good as a blm.............................
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-06-15 14:10:01
Except... You said... Dasva said: Ok 1 kaiten kaiten doesn't make light. That's all we were showing. Of course with 5 kaiten, you're only going to be doing 3 light sc's. Not like you can do Kaiten>Kaiten(light)>Kaiten(light)>Kaiten(light)>Kaiten(light). Cace said: Ahh ok I misunderstood, I thought you were saying Kaiten >> Kaiten wouldnt make light sc my bad No, you didn't misunderstand. That's exactly what he said.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 14:11:43
Cace said: Ahh ok I misunderstood, I thought you were saying Kaiten >> Kaiten wouldnt make light sc my bad By itself... I always though it didn't I know any of the relic weapons can continue said lvl 3 skillchain into another 1 but thought they didn't make the first one without doing a weaponskill from each side. If that was true why don't you do kaiten kaiten kaiten?
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By Ifrit.Thunderz 2009-06-15 14:20:44
Camp bodies f????? im hyped
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 14:21:30
cobra body ftw
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 14:22:29
Wonder if they bodies will be any good... so far the rest is mostly just a huge dissapointment
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 14:25:18
the cobra blm legs are really good..
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 14:26:06
Yeah ther nice... until you get gol or yigit. They mess with my sorc ring too much though. And the rest of that set is so lol especially the head
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-06-15 14:28:07
The only way I'd wear the Cobra Body for Monk is if it had 10 acc and 5 Store TP on it. >.> Otherwise, my Monk's not hitting another % per hit anyway and I'll stick to my SH+1 til I get Shura +1. >.>
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 14:28:55
also the cobra mage feet are the best foot gear for a blm/rdm
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-06-15 14:32:44
Dubont said: the cobra blm legs are really good.. Dubont said: also the cobra mage feet are the best foot gear for a blm/rdm ...? Sorta double post? Depends on what your doing. Generally speaking yigit will squek out or more dmg and be a little more accurate thought the loss of conserve mp and the hp/mp kinda sucks. Goliard will be decently more accurate but a little less dmg. For rdm for debuffs stick with goliard for nukes where macc matters which usually does for rdm goliard again if you accuracy is fine yigit. For everything else yeah cobra.
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By Ifrit.Daemun 2009-06-15 14:34:37
Dubont said: also the cobra mage feet are the best foot gear for a blm/rdm X Morrigan's Pigaches Especially once you engage the set latent. Gaining 3INT 10 MND and MAB+5> Conserve MP, except spells where stats have no bearing (Haste, Refresh, Blink, Shell/Protect) EDIT: Fixed, thx Tbest and I read that as BLM or RDM too, but either way Morrigan's rules for either job.
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 14:35:36
Dasva said: Dubont said: the cobra blm legs are really good.. Dubont said: also the cobra mage feet are the best foot gear for a blm/rdm ...? Sorta double post? Depends on what your doing. Generally speaking yigit will squek out or more dmg and be a little more accurate thought the loss of conserve mp and the hp/mp kinda sucks. Goliard will be decently more accurate but a little less dmg. For rdm for debuffs stick with goliard for nukes where macc matters which usually does for rdm goliard again if you accuracy is fine yigit. For everything else yeah cobra. i meant for a blm subbing rdm not a blm or a rdm lol
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-06-15 14:37:05
Daemun said: Dubont said: also the cobra mage feet are the best foot gear for a blm/rdm X Morrigan's Pigaches Especially once you engage the set latent. Gaining 3INT 10 MND and MAB+5> Conserve MP, except spells where stats have no bearing (Haste, Refresh, Blink, Shell/Protect) EDIT: I must be tired can't fix my ninja link. Take off the ] on the first url and put a = in its place.
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-06-15 14:38:44
without the set the cobra feet still beat morrigan for blm.
The July version update is only a month or so away. in their description so far, SE has said that WotG missions will progress (fortunately/unfortunately no mention of a end date), job adjustments, and adjustments to MMM etc.
The point of this topic is to discuss what you may also have heard will be included in the update as well as what you would like to see added, implented, or changed.
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