Papa John's Boycott

Papa John's is my favorite delivery pizza :/ I wont boycott them.

Well if they didn't pay me enough then they wouldn't be my employer. Employers hire people when there is excess work that needs to be done. They put a price on that job for what they think it is worth to try to attract people into taking it. If they offer too low for a job then they would be left with no employee because no one would take it. Once they offer a fair amount for the required work then they would have themselves an employee. Offering larger wages and salaries is meant to attract more qualified peope for more specialized jobs. Benefits are another means of attracting the best employees that the employer would like to keep on for a long time.

You brought up illegal workers. And you are right. I believe the minimum wage did lead to the huge rise in illegal workers in America, as did unions. You don't see illegal workers taking highly skilled jobs away from college graduates do you? They are jobs that are not worth the minimum wage or jobs that American's don't feel compensated enough to perform.

nvm.. just nvm.. arguing w him is like standing next to an unshielded nuclear reactor..

why? what do you disagree with me on in what i just said? save the taunting.

I take it you are for massive increases in funding for government assistance programs then? Because this seems like a good way to drive more people towards them.

You really can't see how this would destroy the American working class? It'd be like bringing outsourcing right home and utterly vaporizing anyone who doesn't have specialized training to secure those skilled positions. With fewer resources available via the government (because we have to cut govt spending) to get that college training you'd only widen the chasm between the haves and have nots.

We already see cases of unchecked greed causing harm to American citizens and you want to amplify that by basically encouraging the cheapest of cheap labor on our shores?

Do you honestly think that you could easily go out and just find a job like that? LOL is all I have to say to that.

Also if you remove minimum wage say goodbye to ANY decent paying jobs everything would go down to 2 bucks and hour or less.

Less people have jobs because of minimum wage. Less hours are worked at these jobs because of minimum wage.

"well if they didnt pay me enough, they wouldnt be my employer", lol. I used to say ***like that too, when I was 15.

lol... Seriously? Less people have jobs because of minimum wage? If it weren't for minimum wage people wouldn't be able to afford housing.

see that's a taunt. its not an argument.

that does not make sense.

Why would I hire Americans when I could bus in illegals to work for subhuman working hours in American sweatshops? You don't need to speak English to work at Papa Johns or most min wage jobs.

This is done already and you'd amplify it to extremes with no minimum wage.

In NYC, if you're on minimum wage working 40-50hrs a week you can't afford housing nevermind food, light or anything discretionary. You are most likely on welfare or some kind of public assistance to augment your working income.

If you will not stand by idly, what do you plan to do that will be of any relevance ?

The argument is you say HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE ***, like "minimum wage takes away jobs", and cant be taken seriously.

seriously just stop bothering with it.... that person doesn't get it.

If an employer is forced to pay employees more than the job is worth or they can afford, they go around that by hiring less workers to do more at minimum wage or do as others are suggesting and hire illegal workers instead of paying an American the legally required minimum wage.

The arguement they are making does not make sense. Why would the problem with employers hiring illegal workers to avoid minimum wage be amplified if there was no minimum wage? Why would they hire more illegal workers if they are already hiring them to avoid paying the minimum?

Minimum wage is a double standard... It sets a floor on what people can consider a 'low wage/skill/labor' job, but it also means less people can be hired for that particular job (it'd create a false hiring rate anyways). I'm not against minimum wage, but "minimum wage" really needs to be the "minimum" one person can live on(which would obviously vary by state)... but everything's prices are so high right now that you can barely buy a loaf of bread, milk, and still buy gas to get you back and forth to work every day and still afford electric/water/gas(without relying on others to help you). Everything we've got keeps going up, but our wages are starting to become very stagnate.

Minimum Wage standards as well as Occupational Health and Safety standards are there to protect the employers from overly abusing employees with inhuman working conditions, but also from what is considered a wage too low to live on. Many people are already holding down 2 jobs (which includes both parents) just to afford the basic necessities to live day to day, paycheck to paycheck. They forego the luxuries that are often touted by the ignorant *** that want to continue keeping them illinformed.

TV's, Cellphones, and other media devices which were designed to bring information, or to search for information, such as job openings, and unlisted job ads, etc. are necessary. Vehicles can be bought, sold, or traded at minimal prices. Eating healthy is just not an option, because they have to buy whatever they can afford, and with whatever is cheapest, even if it's considered junk food to those that can afford to buy expensive fresh "top quality produce".

One of the arguments that Nausi listed earlier stated that 96.6-99.6 percent of "poor" americans have a refrigerator. How else would they keep food from going spoiled? "oh well the obvious answer is a deep freezer" Argument invalid due to refrigerator argument. Also, many apartments have already partially furnished lots to rent, which include a Stove, a Toilet, Sink, Shower or Tub, and you guessed it, a refrigerator.

Seriously. Stop. The. ***. ***.

Without the Minimum Wage Act that garauntees a suitable minimum wage, the "working poor" would become little more than slaves, regardless of how intelligent or hardworking, or creative they were. It would perpetuate another cycle of inescapable poverty, which ultimately spurred the Seccession from the crown, and the creation of the democratic country of the United States of America.

Theodore Roosevelt himself cut off all international trade and isolated the country, because at the time, it was the only way to recover from the Great Depression. Other ideas were thrown around, some had merit, but had bigger backdraws. No more outsourcing to other countries, building american products by the hands of the american people, to be sold by, and to, the american people.

Because as it stands with minimum wage laws, citizens take these jobs combined with public assistance to squeak out an existence for themselves. Without minimum wage, Americans would cease to work these jobs as it wouldn't be worth the time and be completely replaced by illegals who would take the occupations because their sense of time/value ratios is different. Public assistance would be flooded with idle hands, citizens would be crowded out by illegals and only those with the proper training to take specialized jobs or business owners would survive in such conditions.

Naturally it is worth mentioning that some employers wouldn't resort to hiring illegals but the trend would be to save money by hiring the equivalent of slave labor.

Since these employees would be illegal you could further cut costs and save money through ignoring safety regs and anything that tacks on further costs and since these people are illegal they'd have zero ability to fight back against their employers. I mean, who gives a ***if some Mexicans fall 5 stories to their death because a harness wasn't up to code? You can just replace them. They won't be missed.

Luckily, there's a new differential to consider now, other than "minimum wage", to which i agree with your sentiments on the whole. Up in Canada, we've started something called a "living wage", and the minimum wage in Alberta is set to rise to close to 10.00 an hour for all industries. Many employers already pay well over this rate, and offer benefits after a certain period of time - if they so choose. Dental, Life, etc. Employer's also pay a Worker's Compensation package, which is deductable from their running cost and overhead. Which means even if there's an increase to taxes for those running a business, the money invested into the business isn't counted. Only the net profits are taxed, and not the gross porfit - which many people seem to be ignoring. There are also tax breaks for employing a certain number of people, or doing certain types of business, or in certain areas. There are dozens, if not hundreds of incentives to take care of your employees which not only affects them and your revenue, but also in keeping more money in your pocket as a business owner.

On another note, the reason why people go into business varies. The end result is just as varied. Ideally though, you want to make a confortable amount of profits to live comfortably, or to simply be your own boss, and make the decisions, or have the responibility of being in charge. People do not go into business for the sake of business. That's just ludicrous, or everyone would be in business. People go into business primarily because they feel that they can take a product and make it better, or because they have an idea to make a service different, or want to offer something entirely different. There's also a reason why over 70% of new businesses fail in their first year. They aren't ready to be their own boss - and this equates into a number of factors.

*** it, I'll play devil's advocate.

The big question I got is if any of you were worth $300,000,000 and wanted to remain at that worth, would you not also do everything you could to keep your money? I personally would cash out and be gone giving everyone the finger and a view of my *** as I left for a nice sunny island.

People piss and moan about this, I even was "wtf" when I read the article, but if you put yourself in John Schnatt's (keep thinking Shats) shoes, you're damn right you'd do whatever you could to keep your money. Anyone who says different is a liar, full of ***, or a *** idiot. The only thing really to dispute is the way you go about keeping said monies and if this move will hurt his bottom line, which I really doubt it will.

His net worth is 300,000,000 million, not that he has the money. He would have to sell the franchise in order to get it. I say sell the damn thing, quit the political bitching, and retire. Let someone else run the company before the foot-in-mouth disease becomes terminal.

I'd vote for you for the American Presidency.. you can rule us from Canada!

Anyways.. from what I've been reading.. seems like this "Amandarius" fellow doesn't really understand how the world works.. maybe was fed by his parents that "Obama is evil" and "We are the better of the nation and the peons that have to work crap jobs will suffer" or really has never worked a minimum wage job in his life... but I'm not one to judge.

Either way... getting rid of Minimum Wage?

I r slave 2 u? God no.

why don't you guys knock off the taunts already and just have a normal conversation? the insults are getting ridiculous.

if minimum wage is such a great idea and it does not hurt jobs or business then why set it so low? why not 20 or 30 dollars an hour minimum wage?

Random question slightly related,I'm sure it varies by state to state,but what is the US minimum wage? Can give state + wage if it helps

Edit: Minimum wage in Ireland is €8.65

I'll level with you.

If I suddenly became worth 300m dollars I'd take every step to be responsible by investing my money in things in line with my moral outlook to maintain my wealth. Intentionally *** people over doesn't quite match up with that. Anyone who says different doesn't know me or my personal mantras and if I were to drift away from that mindset I'd want someone to call me out on it and bring back to Earth.

Naturally, I can't stop the exploitation of miners who produce silicon that goes into computer chips or solar panels or employees who are taken advantage of unbeknown to me but where I can I'd be doing the socially responsible task of investing my money in a way that benefits myself and helps to bring others out of the unfortunate situation of being dirt poor even if it means a few million off my bottom line.

I am worth 300m afterall. That's enough for more hookers and coke than I'd know what to do with.

I'll quote this off BG since it's relevant to this thread:

Hmm.. must have hit a nerve somewhere.. anyways...

It's called "minimum" for a reason.. the lowest amount it would take for someone to work that 40 hours a week and still be able to live off it.

Then again working at that rate it would take 2 or more people to make it by, but still raising it to 20 or 30 dollars an hour for someone who didn't go to college would cause the professions who are ALREADY making that to raise their salaries.. etc etc.

Would I love 20 bucks an hour? Yeah! Would I feel guilty making the same as someone who got schooling and works a job 10x more complicated as mine? Damn right I would.

NYS min wage is $7.25 USD

There's more information and a list of all the minimum wages stated here on wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States

Minimum wage varies by industry in the US, but for the most part, is 7.25 and hour currently. The reason minimum wage is not 2-30 dollars an hours is simply because that is excessive. It would also lead to another depression by the overprinting of money, making it less valuable. It's the exact same thing that happened once already in post WW1 Germany, and from what history tells us, we all know how well that turned out.