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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-08-16 15:46:48
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No they really don't give a damn and I'm at the point where neither do I because lolnin nuking.
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By kishr 2019-08-16 21:59:38
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Love it or hate it, play nin as you like to,
Not much to it till they mnga
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-08-16 23:00:59
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If someone is super horny for the yonin / in in bonuses, the feet would be... Well still not really good to TP IN, but certainly better than the head. Also very interesting WS option I guess?
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By Bahamut.Butmunch 2019-08-25 22:32:07
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is there a way to stop ya from blinking when you swap ammos that is not Dressup?
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By Asura.Hrohj 2019-08-25 23:12:27
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Asura.Sechs said: »
If someone is super horny for the yonin / in in bonuses, the feet would be... Well still not really good to TP IN, but certainly better than the head. Also very interesting WS option I guess?

In my experience, Mochizuki Kyahan +3 are mediocre for a WS option unless you're starved for attack such as when you're receiving low-quality attack buffs (Trusts) or none at all. IF the enhanced augment for Innin was on them- I agree with you- they'd be incredible... it's not hard to position yourself behind the target unless you're the one tanking it.

As is, they're just a macro piece for +Enmity sets and +Ninjutsu Skill sets which really only pertain to Migawari: Ichi, sadly.
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-08-25 23:26:37
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They were bad indeed for WS but the innin augment (if swapped on the feet as implied on my post) would give WSD.

Bahamut.Butmunch said: »
is there a way to stop ya from blinking when you swap ammos that is not Dressup?
Alas nope.
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-09-10 01:57:25
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So they swapped the RDM augments but they didn't swap the NIN ones.
Why?
What did we do wrong?
Didn't we complain enough?
Was there something we could've done and we didn't do?
Is tehre still something left we can do?

I feel very disheartened and frustrated by all this.
Poor NIN, unwanted child of SE :(
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By kishr 2019-09-10 04:24:13
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Does any the new lilith gear look bis for tp now for nin?
Looks good to me. Dt- 31, stp 51, acc 250, dmg limit+20%.
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-09-10 04:55:34
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For Hybrid sets: GODLY, but it goes without saying.
For pure TP in max DPS damage disregarding damage mitigation, I'm not sure honestly.
You lose a lot of multiattack and you cannot compensate (like other jobs) with AM3 from Mythic (since NIN's mythic is garbage) or special abilities (like RDM's Temper2)

Other than Blade: TEN (which is nice but nothing stellar) we don't even have a WS we can exploit with all that STP.

Maybe some strange builds with Naegling MH, TPbonus OH etc? But you'd still be missing so much Multiattack, not sure going 5/5 with the new set would prove to be effective.



Anyway, just my two cents, I'd be very curious to hear more opinions from other competent players.
Imho 5/5 is not gonna be a DPS gain.
Yes, I'm including short zergs with capped attack (where you could benefit from all that PDL) as well, because in zergs the majority of damage comes from WS, not white damage, and most (all?) of those pieces are probably not that great for WS since they lack high mods and WSD. PDL alone won't compensate, I'm afraid.

Outside of the 5/5 scenario and talking about single pieces mix&match, I'm not sure, but there could be some potential in some slot maybe (legs?)
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By mhomho 2019-09-10 08:37:25
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... The PDL for Kannagi AM3 white damage?
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-09-10 09:01:26
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Granted that Kannagi overall DPS is tipically not the best even at R15, but it can be really really nice in a couple of situations, like Capuchin showed all of us.

Kannagi mostly excels in situations where you're devoid of buffs.
In such situations you're unlikely to cap attack, hence PDL would be absolutely useless.
Furthermore in such a scenario you're likely to be wanting to equip Dual Wield gear anyway, so hardly a spot for any of these pieces.



I can't think of any real situation, but in a Scenario where NIN is att capped and Kannagi works nice against the current target(s), then yes 5/5 on the Lilith set could be truly truly nice, BiS if you ask me.
...but does such a scenario even exist? I can't think of any right now.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-09-11 01:54:11
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Can't say enough good things about Malignance set for NIN. Especially for Hybrid Tanking and Debuff landing.

Also its +50 stp, not 51. I would sprinkle in Ashera and Kendatsuba for some interesting builds.
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By Taint 2019-09-11 06:03:20
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Kannagi AM3 procs on all main hand hits, hard to give up TA/QA for PDL.

NIN also handles physical damage taken via shadows, so you are left with MDT which is easy to cap and MEVA which you will be leaning on Kenda.

I'm sure there is a rare senario in which this set excels for NIN, I just can't think of it.
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By Asura.Outlawbruce 2019-09-11 06:36:53
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Maybe just the magic acc? The set I have I know isn't great. Its ripped from weird content all over the game. I always felt ninja got absolute horse crap for magic acc and why even bother half the time trying to land debuffs. But the set might help this cause finally
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By Nariont 2019-09-11 07:24:47
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Mummu set exists, plus the 2 pieces of af+3, relic might have some too, cant remember

Yeah you gain a massive 15 macc with some int loss going from mummu+2 to lilith gear in the hands/body/legs af still wins in head/feet slot iirc
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-09-11 09:48:49
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This set has 88 meva over kendatsuba which is a sizable amount. It also shines as a great all purpose inventory saver: carrying around extra mummu pieces for the few times you will throw out a ninja debuff, I'll take the inventory. Same with the DT pieces you'd already have on you. I probably wouldn't use this set as a whole, but like I said earlier, sprinkled in some of my sets to make some interesting combinations.

Magic damage is ninjas biggest weakness. Even in kendatsuba set you're going to take a good amount of damage, not to mention stripped shadows. This set will be a nice way of being the gap from reapplying shadows while taking even less damage from both sources, because it offers DT along with meva. I would certainly still keep kendatsuba+1 in an offensive oriented battle, since the MA is epic. But in a more defensive/magic aoe fest, I could see some applications where swapping a 1-2 Kenda pieces for 1-2 Malignance pieces would be ideal. Yes it's a dps sacrifice, but for survival and assisting your healer's sake, I think its a worthwhile downgrade.

With R15 kikoku, your casts in fc set are near instant. I wonder if I can start subbing out FC for some of these pieces to create a rune styled hybrid high DT casting set. Options
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-09-11 12:01:26
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
This set has 88 meva over kendatsuba which is a sizable amount.
Indeed, but Kendatsuba also has a plethora of TA and Crit though.

Not sure STP alone can compensate for that.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2019-09-11 12:06:53
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Yup, which is why I said:

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
I would certainly still keep kendatsuba+1 in an offensive oriented battle, since the MA is epic. But in a more defensive/magic aoe fest, I could see some applications where swapping a 1-2 Kenda pieces for 1-2 Malignance pieces would be ideal. Yes it's a dps sacrifice, but for survival and assisting your healer's sake, I think its a worthwhile downgrade.

It's ok to make DPS sacrifices for other improvements. Everything is situational as usual and fight dependent
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By Asura.Sechs 2019-09-11 12:40:01
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This set is awesome, period.
Point is that it seems to me it doesn't shine particularly so for NIN, not as much as it does for RDM and secondarily DNC, in my opinion.

For NIN it's just a "really nice set that's got some potential for hybrid situations", I'm afraid.
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