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 Phoenix.Chomeymatt
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By Phoenix.Chomeymatt 2012-09-25 03:11:48
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Gilgamesh.Nynja said: »
Once again, what floors were they on, what was the dat order and what was the actual order?

Theres no point dismissing the possibility of a pattern. I was laughed at by "the elite group" when I suggested that abyssea magic procs cant be a random list of 150 spells (before we knew which 8x8 they were, when "I swear I proced it with AM2, I swear frost did it, I swear Tachi:Gekko did it"), and turns out, it wasnt random at all. Its possible that it is random, but theres no harm at all gathering some data for now to see.

Or you can be Nyzul god and clear every run every time with 10 minutes to spare...

<W< you really think they're going to make lamps into a pattern after knowing, for a long time none the less, of people abusing lamp dats to the advantage of selling gear or getting 15/15 in a very short time period? The last order I remember we had the lamps ordered in order, so 1 2 3 4, and the actual order was 2, 3 , 1 , 4
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-09-25 03:48:54
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It's funny how this update just said "Oh hey old gear...I remember and loved you. How bout I give you purpose again?". So we have like updated Zahak mail, emperor pin, brig (love that checker board lol), and I'm sure there are others. As well as that N sash model evade/haste piece that is kinda nice. I kinda like that SE did that here.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2012-09-25 07:50:33
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I want them to re-use more Near Eastern gear, personally. I've always really liked those designs. They had re-used the Jaridah Peti model at one point but given how mediocre the gear is it kind of defeats the point. I'd like to see that model, along with some other stuff like Amir, Pahluwan and Yigit again. Though I guess since Neo-Salvage is coming along so we'll so see the Salvage models again most likely, at least.


It's true that Nyzul Uncharted is very clear-able even without editing the lamps, but I just think it's kind of inherently bad design if a single type of floor can potentially have a negative impact to the point where it screws your entire run, even if it only happens 5% of the time.

It's not even the concept of the order floors that screws you, it's the fact that you need to wait something like 30 seconds for the order lamps to check your order, deactivate, and then be ready for toggling again. At least on same-time lamps it makes some sense because it's basically punishing you for not exploring the whole floor before attempting it.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-09-25 08:00:40
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
There's no reason to be drama queens over it, it's still very winnable, and even a win rate of 15% would be more than sufficient for this gear.

I think people tend to forget this part. It's like, really good gear, y'all.

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By Bahamut.Bojack 2012-09-25 09:18:04
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Oh yea, definitely still winnable. Probably will cause some losses for the group I do it with though. I mean, I'm sure not everyone has a 1/4 win rate >,>. we've done 4 tags the last 4 Thursdays and have no win yet. We did make it to floor 100 once but timed out on boss at 30%. The DNC in the group has been working on DRK for a while and finally got all his merits/gear/OaT finished and he brought it to the run last Thursday. We made it to 94 once and 99 on the 4th run. The 94 run sucked, 6x 2 floor jumps and floor 60 boss with WS restriction.

I was going as SAM but just finished this Ragnarok and should have it 95 by out next run. Just kind of sucks because our group is no where near perfect. I find on lamp floors we all seem to talk to much trying to communicate and then a little confusion can happen due to people talking over each other >,>. Trying to find the correct order isn't going to help the situation lol.
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By Gilgamesh.Nynja 2012-09-25 10:33:15
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Phoenix.Chomeymatt said: »
<W< you really think they're going to make lamps into a pattern after knowing, for a long time none the less, of people abusing lamp dats to the advantage of selling gear or getting 15/15 in a very short time period? The last order I remember we had the lamps ordered in order, so 1 2 3 4, and the actual order was 2, 3 , 1 , 4
First off, dont "w" me. I'm not JP, according to that little map next to your name, you arent JP either. These part of the forums are english, dont brown nose JP players to fit in, you are embarrassing yourself, its not 2004 anymore. Jy vient pas ici pi parler en francais.
Secondly, people were getting "15/15 in a short time period" because they were running at 300% through walls, the dat mods obviously help too, but in an event where you lose probably 10-12 minutes just running around from target to target, cutting that loss down to 2 is a huge difference, much more than you save from dat swapping code lamps.

so back to tracking data: what floor were you on when the order of 1234 went to 2314?
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By Aikawa 2012-09-25 10:44:44
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Mod should close or change title of this thread to "Another QQ NNI Thread"
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By Avitori 2012-09-25 13:21:37
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The biggest problem I have with this is that it wasn't included in the patch notes. Why are they updating things without telling us? v.v
Not like this affects me in particular cause i'm 15/15 but still...
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By Phoenix.Chomeymatt 2012-09-25 13:25:07
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Aikawa said: »
Mod should close or change title of this thread to "Another QQ NNI Thread"

Or new assaults!
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-09-25 13:27:35
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It doesn't seem like it belongs in patch notes really, it doesn't effect players that aren't explicitly violating TOS. I guess it would allow JPs to fap to it, though.

@Bojack:
Not EVERYONE is supposed to have an amazing win rate. It is meant to be challenging content, where the most organized and well-equipped players will do best. If you flail around horribly on lamp floors, you probably are meant to work on your organization while doing floor 80 stopper runs(in SE's eyes). Just because you enter the zone doesn't give you any sort of right to winning.
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By Sylph.Zenrin 2012-09-25 13:27:40
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Gilgamesh.Nynja said: »
First off, dont "w" me. I'm not JP, according to that little map next to your name, you arent JP either. These part of the forums are english, dont brown nose JP players to fit in, you are embarrassing yourself, its not 2004 anymore. Jy vient pas ici pi parler en francais.

Why so SRS?
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By Ragnarok.Godsmack 2012-09-25 13:28:22
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...ty SE by all gmt player that have a normal work and usually log-in @ late afternoon every day..
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By Carbuncle.Sambb 2012-09-25 13:28:31
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Avitori said: »
The biggest problem I have with this is that it wasn't included in the patch notes. Why are they updating things without telling us? v.v Not like this affects me in particular cause i'm 15/15 but still...

Thing is they annouced last time there was a patch this nerf was coming. How they are aware there was nyzle "bugs"

Hell there was even a thread on here if I am not mistaken where people were complaining back then.

Good groups are still going to win nyzle, fact of he matter is it isn't going to be as frequent.

Huge luck involved on winning.... to a degree....

but then getting those byakko haidates back at lvl 75 cap was not luck either? because they were 100% drop from byakko.

amirite?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-09-25 13:34:39
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Only SE could make an aspect of the game that's already months old like NIU usurp the actual meat of this content: Meeble Burrows.

Hats off to the developers.
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By Phoenix.Chomeymatt 2012-09-25 13:35:01
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Gilgamesh.Nynja said: »
Phoenix.Chomeymatt said: »
<W< you really think they're going to make lamps into a pattern after knowing, for a long time none the less, of people abusing lamp dats to the advantage of selling gear or getting 15/15 in a very short time period? The last order I remember we had the lamps ordered in order, so 1 2 3 4, and the actual order was 2, 3 , 1 , 4
First off, dont "w" me. I'm not JP, according to that little map next to your name, you arent JP either. These part of the forums are english, dont brown nose JP players to fit in, you are embarrassing yourself, its not 2004 anymore. Jy vient pas ici pi parler en francais.
Secondly, people were getting "15/15 in a short time period" because they were running at 300% through walls, the dat mods obviously help too, but in an event where you lose probably 10-12 minutes just running around from target to target, cutting that loss down to 2 is a huge difference, much more than you save from dat swapping code lamps.

so back to tracking data: what floor were you on when the order of 1234 went to 2314?

Checked logger just now. First run order was on floor 39. Second run order was on floors 10,38, and 91.
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By Shiva.Sleih 2012-09-25 13:35:13
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#lolitsaface. <w< >w>

Regardless how people want to look at the .dat issue, SE a while back did mention ways to "fix the exploit" and this seems to have happened this time around. It doesn't break the game. (Unless it truly was the reason for the crashes. lawls) It's high time to face the facts and just play the game.
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By Phoenix.Chomeymatt 2012-09-25 13:40:29
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Shiva.Sleih said: »
#lolitsaface. <w< >w>

Regardless how people want to look at the .dat issue, SE a while back did mention ways to "fix the exploit" and this seems to have happened this time around. It doesn't break the game. (Unless it truly was the reason for the crashes. lawls) It's high time to face the facts and just play the game.

Your avatar brings joy everyday, that's all that matters. <3 Wolf.
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By Kooljack 2012-09-25 13:51:39
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
Kooljack said: »
kclubs cant be 100m, so abyssea now drops beastmen seals and kindred seals? o.O
Abyssea has always dropped them, it's a level cutoff. In visions especially, underleveled mobs are still in the beastmen/kindred range.

the cutoff for beastmen seals is lv 50 sonny iv never seen beastmen seals in abyssea till today


oh oh oh

- Monsters that normally drop the “Kindred’s Crest” and “High Kindred’s Crest” are dropping the “Beastmen’s Seal” and “Kindred’s Seal.”


damnit... garr
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-09-25 13:51:39
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Carbuncle.Josiahfk said: »
MissSteph said: »
OMG! so i can go in the mog house in port jeuno without shouting FLOW THROUGH! FLOW THROUGH!
it's always been an exciting indiana jones moment though for me. pop flee and try to beat the huge boulder of people loading in your path and around you
My internet just sucks in general I guess lol. I never have people in my way, even though my radar shows all blue lol. And my gear doesn't fully swap properly :/ Like my macro says phorcys korazin should be swapped off for unkai body...but it never works....and ruins....my....5....hit.....
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-09-25 14:03:47
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I just want the random crashes to stop.... They could make lamps generated every single time a floor spawns and certain people would still clear and certain people wouldn't.

years ago it was crimson pants is cheating, windowers cheating, "not everyone levels more than one job", "not everyone can bring a mage", etc etc. Mediocre people will always find a crutch to blame for why they can't do and others can.

If you really think all of the groups who've cleared NNI use clipper and swap lamps you should probably go check out wow or at least go do some NQ ni to get up to speed.
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By Cerberus.Keyoku 2012-09-25 14:09:03
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While I haven't done NNI in a while, the only random crashes we suffered weren't random at all. Being within sight distance of the Runic Portal upon defeat of the final Qiqirn on a "Specified Enemy" would cause us to crash.
I don't know if this bug is known by the player base at large yet, figured I might drop a line here for those who didn't know about it yet. This bug being unrelated to platform or using .dats or not.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-09-25 14:16:04
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Cerberus.Keyoku said: »
While I haven't done NNI in a while, the only random crashes we suffered weren't random at all. Being within sight distance of the Runic Portal upon defeat of the final Qiqirn on a "Specified Enemy" would cause us to crash. I don't know if this bug is known by the player base at large yet, figured I might drop a line here for those who didn't know about it yet. This bug being unrelated to platform or using .dats or not.

To my understanding crashes were occuring in all types of zones from all types of players.
I crashed doing salvage on sch, and i have absolutely nothing fishy (except uh xiview but if you consider that cheating....)
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By Asura.Oceanlab 2012-09-25 15:10:35
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Is anyone else getting beastman seals and kindred seals from monsters that are supposed to be dropping kindred crests and high kindred crests?
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-09-25 15:12:10
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Read the thread.
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By Leviathan.Zaknafien 2012-09-25 15:27:29
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Asura.Oceanlab said: »
Is anyone else getting beastman seals and kindred seals from monsters that are supposed to be dropping kindred crests and high kindred crests?

I did get a beastman seal in an abyssea zone and found it a little odd.
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By Gilgamesh.Nynja 2012-09-26 01:45:39
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Sylph.Zenrin said: »
Gilgamesh.Nynja said: »
First off, dont "w" me. I'm not JP, according to that little map next to your name, you arent JP either. These part of the forums are english, dont brown nose JP players to fit in, you are embarrassing yourself, its not 2004 anymore. Jy vient pas ici pi parler en francais.

Why so SRS?
uhawwwwwokwwwwww
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2012-09-26 06:18:31
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Meh just made doing NNI runs for my LS mates harder that's all. I'm already 15/15 so it doesn't really even effect me, and chances are anyone who was abusing the secret ninja magic is already at 15/15. So this really only hurts people who were sitting as the pole SCH and letting their friends help them get floor 100 gear.

Will have to experiment with it later, with lamps it's usually the mobs standing near by the tend to cause the *event interrupted* mos *event interrupted* st prob *event interrupted* lems.

/Goodbye 20s order lamp floors.
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