I think people involved are forgetting the biggest difference between Ocy +1 and Mavi +2 head, 4,000,000 gil.
Laugh all you want, but people actually spend gil on things, like Marrows, Mekira +1 head / HMPs / Dross / ect. Could even go towards getting the geodes for a STR Shamshir (for those who didn't get one early).
So is the performance difference from Ocy +1 head vs Mavi +2 head worth 4mil? Especially as most will have the NQ Ocy head for macro piece or possible TP piece (Toci body but no Thaumas).
Mavi Bazubands, Mavi Basmak, TP Gear And (BL)U
Mavi Bazubands, Mavi Basmak, TP Gear and (BL)U
For people looking to improve their jobs and gil is not a serious issue, it comes down to how much you're willing to spend
With how easy gil is to get these days from various sources, 4m really isn't much. If it's that much of an issue, buy the NQ, and upgrade to the HQ when you feel comfortable about it.
With how easy gil is to get these days from various sources, 4m really isn't much. If it's that much of an issue, buy the NQ, and upgrade to the HQ when you feel comfortable about it.
Quetzalcoatl.Neisan said: »
For people looking to improve their jobs gil is not a serious issue and depends on how much you're willing to spend
And with how easy gil is to get, 4m really isn't much
And with how easy gil is to get, 4m really isn't much
It is when your needing 5 Marrows for a 99 Rag at 12 ~ 15mil each.
Or 1500 HMP's at 110~120K each.
Or just Dyna currency for another relic.
Or for the flame geodes at 50~70K each now.
The idea is to demonstrate that while Ocy +1 is obviously a good piece of gear, there are other things that would take priority over it for gil.
And unless your using your dads credit card, cost is ALWAYS an issue. Gil is a resource and should be managed as such. Make a priority list and walk through it, eventually if you've hit all the other more important requirements then Ocy +1 becomes an option. Remember people now play 4~6+ jobs, meaning competition amongst items for the same pile of gil is more then in previous years. Especially as the NQ is only 800K and serves the same function as a macro piece.
Or are you suggesting that someone should buy Ocy +1 before finishing their STR Sword? Should someone who has DRK and WAR leveled / geared get a Ocy +1 for their BLU before getting a Meki +2 head or finishing their Rag to 99?
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No, read the edit.
Actually, you didn't even read the original post since I said it depends on how much you're willing to spend.
Actually, you didn't even read the original post since I said it depends on how much you're willing to spend.
You said in plain terms..
In response to me saying,
You don't get to change your position just because you realize it's faulty and then pretend you were always saying as such.
So either you were trying to argue with me while covertly agreeing, or your just trolling.
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For people looking to improve their jobs gil is not a serious issue and depends on how much you're willing to spend
And with how easy gil is to get, 4m really isn't much
And with how easy gil is to get, 4m really isn't much
In response to me saying,
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I think people involved are forgetting the biggest difference between Ocy +1 and Mavi +2 head, 4,000,000 gil.
Laugh all you want, but people actually spend gil on things, like Marrows, Mekira +1 head / HMPs / Dross / ect. Could even go towards getting the geodes for a STR Shamshir (for those who didn't get one early).
So is the performance difference from Ocy +1 head vs Mavi +2 head worth 4mil? Especially as most will have the NQ Ocy head for macro piece or possible TP piece (Toci body but no Thaumas).
Laugh all you want, but people actually spend gil on things, like Marrows, Mekira +1 head / HMPs / Dross / ect. Could even go towards getting the geodes for a STR Shamshir (for those who didn't get one early).
So is the performance difference from Ocy +1 head vs Mavi +2 head worth 4mil? Especially as most will have the NQ Ocy head for macro piece or possible TP piece (Toci body but no Thaumas).
You don't get to change your position just because you realize it's faulty and then pretend you were always saying as such.
So either you were trying to argue with me while covertly agreeing, or your just trolling.
I already clarified my post as much as I feel like it, you're just bullheaded as usual
Also just so we're clear and you can't fake troll anymore. My post was in response to the previous guys complaining about BLU's TPing in Mavi +2 head when Ocy +1 exists. My position is that TPing in Mavy +2 head is fine if their putting their resources towards more important upgrades, either for BLU or another job. Gil is a finite resource and you can only spend it once so should always seek to get the most out of it. Someone spending 4mil on a Ocy +1 head but Tping in a MP sword or that sword from Isgabind makes no sense. Especially when their response is "flame geodes are too expensive".
Nah your just trolling like normal. Next you'll post a link under the media forum and make a bunch of sh!t up. You want to appear to be disagreeing with me while actually agreeing with me.
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I already clarified my post as much as I feel like it, you're just bullheaded as usual
Nah your just trolling like normal. Next you'll post a link under the media forum and make a bunch of sh!t up. You want to appear to be disagreeing with me while actually agreeing with me.
Yes because someone not immediately agreeing with your stance is trolling
You use the same material every damn time
You use the same material every damn time
Quetzalcoatl.Neisan said: »
Yes because someone not immediately agreeing with your stance is trolling
You use the same material every damn time
You use the same material every damn time
Yet you did agree with me ... just used different words to appear to be disagreeing. Your a troll, you use forum posts to try to stir up arguments for no other reason then to argue with someone.
Like, seriously what? Do you seriously delude yourself that much?
Settle it down guys, please.
On the topic at hand. Yeah plenty of BLU's sh!ting up the game. You can try to reason with them and you might get lucky and have then listen. Chances are they don't care and only have the job for procs inside abyssea or voidwatch. They TP in full Mavi and don't gear swap because they don't have any other gear to swap in and don't want to both actually making TP, spell and WS macros.
All I ever see on my server are *** BLUs dual wielding Isador with an MP+100 M.acc sword or a DEX sword in 5/5 AF3+2 and it makes my head explode. I feel like BLU is more prone to poor gear jobs than other. I naturally check players who are on jobs that I have leveled and having just leveled BLU I feel as though a disproportionate number of BLUs are geared like ***compared to other jobs, but it could just be Odin server. I mean I understand that performance is a bell curve and most players fall under the middle of the curve; players who swap gear and have average-above average gear. Just like there are players with 95-99 Almace with ridiculously good TP/WS sets like Khepri etc, there would naturally be people at the bottom end of the spectrum statistically speaking. But for BLU it seems like a positevely skewed curve.
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I had to just flat out stop checking blus
They always had at least 2 things on that didn't make sense
They always had at least 2 things on that didn't make sense
You can generally tell a lot of blu's take the term "Mage" in the most literal sense of the word.
He didn't say it's a bad sword lol, just that spending a couple mil on STR Shikargar is a bigger gain than spending gil on Ocelomeh+1. Especially when you can cap haste with either the NQ Ocelomeh or AF3+2 head. In a Thaumas setup Ocelomeh+1 would put you over haste cap any way...so it really becomes a ws/eva piece more so than a required TP piece. Meaning now you're paying 4 mil for 1 dex and 1 agi.
Spending 4 mil on that minor of an upgrade when you could be spending gil on something that will noticeably improve your Blu is just as silly as tping Mavi hands or feet.
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Oh it gets worse then Isador. I've seen quite a few BLU's using Dhampyr sword lately.
Just goes to reinforce my belief that most only leveled / geared it for procing and never bothered getting a proper TP / WS / spell sets.
Just goes to reinforce my belief that most only leveled / geared it for procing and never bothered getting a proper TP / WS / spell sets.
Crappy swords don't really bother me as long as they're striving for something better. I've met a lot Blus who do actually take/ask for advice because they just honestly can't afford major improvements at that given moment or simply don't know what to use.
I was a crappy/poor Blu once lol, so I try to not get mad over it.
I was a crappy/poor Blu once lol, so I try to not get mad over it.
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The thing is, blu needs to be geared to teeth, somewhat.
I don't think many people are prepared to do that.
I don't think many people are prepared to do that.
I'm not condoning the use of M.acc Shikargar, but M.acc helps with landing the effect of stun on Head Butt and Sudden Lunge.
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I was under the impression that it had never been confirmed that macc played any part. Either way, my stance has always been that if you need to load up on anything to get blu stun to land, then blu stun is not reliable on that mob, and you should be using blm stun.
Odin.Blazza said: »
I was under the impression that it had never been confirmed that macc played any part. Either way, my stance has always been that if you need to load up on anything to get blu stun to land, then blu stun is not reliable on that mob, and you should be using blm stun.
Magic Accuracy effects all magic effects including additional effects from melee hits and weapon skills. The base component for the magic acc check would be the skill of the weapon involved, in this case it's blue magic skill. Interesting note is that magic acc also effects the resists on skill chains but only the magic acc from the closing weapon skill. Hence why SC's were constantly getting resisted before SE gave them a magic accuracy bonus, melee's don't WS in +Mag Acc gear.
That being said, if a BLU needs magic acc swords then their Stun isn't going to be reliable enough for whatever it is your trying to stun.
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Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
So if you're fighting something hard that you need sudden lunge to land, your best gearset would be 2 macc swords and a mix of physical magical acc gear? : o
I didn't say use M.acc swords. Just that m.acc will help with "Additional Effect: Stun/Poison/Slow/Paralyze/etc."
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/17563/macc-affect-blu-physical-spells/
^ Nightfyre's Physical Stun set.
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Odin.Blazza said: »
I was under the impression that it had never been confirmed that macc played any part. Either way, my stance has always been that if you need to load up on anything to get blu stun to land, then blu stun is not reliable on that mob, and you should be using blm stun.
The above set represents a balance of stats - 22% haste, recast reduction from Mavi Bazubands +2, and enough macc and accuracy to comfortably land both the spell and the additional effect on nearly anything Headbutt-friendly. I have a couple different builds (notes regarding such in the comments), though the default set is most commonly used simply because there isn't much need for stun sets with a greater emphasis on a particular stat in BLU stun-friendly situations right now.
I won't lie, I'm guilty of TPing in mavi+2 hands, but I only currently use my Blu for solo things, (only 11 spells off from learning all of them, except the NM ones).
Still currently trying to gear it up when I get a chance (using a homam head still for it).
Wondering, for Physical blu spells, which would be better AF3+2 body or Relic +2 body?
Still currently trying to gear it up when I get a chance (using a homam head still for it).
Wondering, for Physical blu spells, which would be better AF3+2 body or Relic +2 body?
Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
I won't lie, I'm guilty of TPing in mavi+2 hands, but I only currently use my Blu for solo things, (only 11 spells off from learning all of them, except the NM ones).
Still currently trying to gear it up when I get a chance (using a homam head still for it).
Wondering, for Physical blu spells, which would be better AF3+2 body or Relic +2 body?
Still currently trying to gear it up when I get a chance (using a homam head still for it).
Wondering, for Physical blu spells, which would be better AF3+2 body or Relic +2 body?
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