Puppetmaster TP Gear

I was feeling good about mine until all you people with your OP PUPs came along D:

You need some pink boots!!! pink boots are stylish, cheap, and effective for now until you can get something better. I still wear pink boots. But i'm a noob so it's ok ^^

So which Animator is better for a PUP (mines up and coming so I want to know)? Deluxe or Animator+1?

Deluxe has +2 more dex, but no automaton bonus, so I'd still say Deluxe, as auto hp/mp never matter since you can deactivate to reset them if you do it properly.

Everyone seems to use Pantin or Rancorous back piece. I think I saw one other person say they used Blithe. I use Blithe. Why no Blithe love?

Because it's fine in an evasion build but for DDing Pantin/Rancorous outdo it.

Hit for hit, sure. But the DA for more TP gain for more WSs, that doesn't beat out Rancor?

Not as much as the big attack and 5% crit rate, no.

This is what I use atm, working on a few new salvage pieces to add in once they're done.

if your auto is fighting next to you, it would probably be better to use AF2+2. Also rancor back let's you free up the neck slot, so you can use cirque for the MA bonus. That's the biggest draw to it, honestly.

I'm usually always using whm auto, rarely use any of the others.

Even more reason to use rancor back then

I could see it with Rancorous, but Pantin? Really? I don't buy that one.

That extra DEX from Pantin could up your dDEX(crit hit rate) depending on your TP build & what youre fighting.

5 Dex isn't much compared to 2 DA, imo. I've never been a spreadsheet person though. Acc from AGI helpful too.

I just see a lot of bandwagoning that happens, and I'd like to see actual numbers than a buncha people saying "well someone said it was better months ago so we're gonna believe that 'til the end of time."

Did whoever tested or punched numbers with Rancorous and Pantin even look at Blithe and compare?

Did you seriously just say acc from agi??? Also, of course the testers compared the numbers with all options accounted for. Did ya think this item just slipped past everybody? 5% crit is a lot and 5 dex CAN actually raise your crit rate like somebody said. pup has surprisingly high dex ya know.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, as I'm fairly new to the dDEX formula but if it happens to push you into the next tier isn't that only a 1% increase?

Edit: Did some rereading, I see the assumption is if it pushes you into the 40 to 50 dDEX range not just one of the lower tiers.

Wiki on crits

BG Wiki has a much better explanation of it. Thanks though.

That's fine, it gives more defined math, but the same conclusion is drawn ^^.

Very true, I'm a math kind of person so seeing the equation helps more heh.

Now I'm reconsidering my change from Pantin/Rancor to Rancorous/Nef for WS...

Rancorous + gorget. The pup guide will be out soon, and I've been putting together my notes with Kuching, but yeah, it's gorget mate. Flame for pummel works and I think light for smite.

Edit: and in case you were wondering, yes I did collab with a math person on the WS sets :D

Oh I don't doubt you, when I mathed it out for some reason I had rancorous/nef winning... could have been my gear at the time or I may have made a mistake somewhere.

Using the spreadsheet, I have Blithe on par with Pantin only on fodder but losing to both other options in all other scenarios. Keep in mind that DA has diminishing returns (the more you add, the less potent it becomes) so it's not always the superior choice.

:X

no it doesn't.

I think Thunder, too, for pummel? Mighta been Shadow... I made Thunder & Shadow for PUP and RDM, forget which is which atm. What about the belts? And it's for sure better than Nefarious? o.O

Prosilio Belt. You're not gonna cap attack on PUP

That DA hit hurts >.<

no it doesn't

Hi, I am not a spreadsheet guy so I wanted to ask a few questions to you that are more into testing stuff for that extra .00000001 dot.

This is the current TP set I use:


I was wondering a few variations. If have any suggestions pls let me know.
First I was thinking using Abatteur's subligar instead of usu legs+1 but i'd loose my haste cap, so, to maybe get it up there again pair it with usu hands+. That will keep my haste cap and add some more cool stats like counter.
Also I dunno what to put in my neck piece since I find that a bit underwhelming. Was thinking cirque neck but since I dunno how to math Martial Arts I wasn't sure if was worth it. I'll appreciate if anyone can calculate if it is.
Also have in mind I use my puppet mostly to solo kinda hard content and to do dyna, so I think in other stuff other than DMG too like eva, def and other cool defense mechanism like counter.