Follow-up On Relic, Mythic, And Empyrean Weapons

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Follow-up on Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean Weapons
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 Ragnarok.Raenil
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2012-08-02 21:03:32
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Lakshmi.Eyrhika said: »
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Apparently dnc with mandau would put war/sam/drk to shame. Dat balance.
This makes no sense.
Yes it does, actually.

SE is saying they wont add the newer jobs because it would ruin the balance of the relic/empyrean weapons. All of which were built around the jobs that use them.

Serj was just exaggerating this point.
And our point is, what about these weapons would "ruin" the balance of the jobs? Their reasoning makes no logical sense, and TBH it sounds like a cop-out.
Like I said, Serj was just exaggerating SE's reasoning. Therefore what he said made sense.

It is completely bull ***reasoning on SE's part, though.
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By Bismarck.Yuenna 2012-08-02 21:05:50
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no they soon anounce we are making new relic weapons for the jobs not on them... dancers you get a relic Chakram in the sense of balance
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By Gimp 2012-08-02 21:06:58
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shutup and just increase the flow of alexandrite and ease to obtain solo
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By Sylph.Chrisstreb 2012-08-02 21:08:21
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Bismarck.Yuenna said: »
no they soon anounce we are making new relic weapons for the jobs not on them... dancers you get a relic Chakram in the sense of balance
But at least there'll finally be a Throwing WS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-08-02 21:10:47
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Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Like I said, Serj was just exaggerating SE's reasoning. Therefore what he said made sense.

It is completely bull ***reasoning on SE's part, though.

It doesn't make sense because its apples and oranges. A support/solo job vs a pure DD job. If he said SE was "worried mandau dnc would ***all over mandau thf/brd, lol" then it would actually be a viable comparison.

Despite all that I actually agree that relics should be available to the wotg/toau jobs, I just thought the comparison was pointless.
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By Asura.Draginhikari 2012-08-02 21:12:00
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Xenshi said: »
They won't increase alex flow, they already said they feel that that alexs added from NNI is more than enough. I can't remember which post it was, but it wasn't too long ago. BUT hey..at least we can all look forward to increased food duration through the kupopower thing!!

Sincerely yours, loling all the way to cancel my account.

Actually the gest of what they said is that they feel the amount of alexandrite available is a result in the loss of interest in salvage and are currently believing that the salvage revamp will assist that issue. How likely this is or not is left to be seen.
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By Bismarck.Yuenna 2012-08-02 21:12:30
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Sylph.Chrisstreb said: »
Bismarck.Yuenna said: »
no they soon anounce we are making new relic weapons for the jobs not on them... dancers you get a relic Chakram in the sense of balance
But at least there'll finally be a Throwing WS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

No that would be to unblalanced lol.
Sch we will give you a relic book
Pup a relic animator
Cor you get a bullet that if you accidently fire it you will loose it for ever
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By Sylph.Chrisstreb 2012-08-02 21:13:39
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Bismarck.Yuenna said: »
Sylph.Chrisstreb said: »
Bismarck.Yuenna said: »
no they soon anounce we are making new relic weapons for the jobs not on them... dancers you get a relic Chakram in the sense of balance
But at least there'll finally be a Throwing WS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

No that would be to unblalanced lol.
Sch we will give you a relic book
Pup a relic animator
Cor you get a bullet that if you accidently fire it you will loose it for ever
I shot my PPA!! ;_; (Version 2.0)
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-08-02 21:17:57
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This isnt even news..dncs have been explaining why they should have a mandau for years <.<
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By Siren.Demetreos 2012-08-02 21:21:17
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BARANCE!

Seriously though, 0 *** given. Where any of you actually expecting anything different? Especially given what they said about their plans RDM the other day.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-08-02 21:24:37
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Bismarck.Altar said: »
Ragnarok.Raenil said: »
Like I said, Serj was just exaggerating SE's reasoning. Therefore what he said made sense.

It is completely bull ***reasoning on SE's part, though.

It doesn't make sense because its apples and oranges. A support/solo job vs a pure DD job. If he said SE was "worried mandau dnc would ***all over mandau thf/brd, lol" then it would actually be a viable comparison.

Despite all that I actually agree that relics should be available to the wotg/toau jobs, I just thought the comparison was pointless.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-02 21:24:37
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
This isnt even news..dncs have been explaining why they should have a mandau for years <.<
That's the main reason I didn't include the [Dev] tag in the title
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-08-02 21:26:47
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
This isnt even news..dncs have been explaining why they should have a mandau for years <.<
That's the main reason I didn't include the [Dev] tag in the title

good call lol
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By Cerberus.Corphish 2012-08-02 21:27:57
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Quote:
Firstly DNC and SCH
These 2 jobs fit the lore of relic weapons massively so i really think at the least DNC should be able to use mandau and SCH should be able to use club or staff
If club ever goes to anyone else besides WHM, I'll throw a hissy fit.
/selfishtaru
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-02 21:28:20
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Cerberus.Corphish said: »
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Firstly DNC and SCH
These 2 jobs fit the lore of relic weapons massively so i really think at the least DNC should be able to use mandau and SCH should be able to use club or staff
If club ever goes to anyone else besides WHM, I'll throw a hissy fit.
/selfishtaru
same.
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By Bismarck.Zagarikano 2012-08-02 21:30:21
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Geomancer is getting a mythic, so thats good, cause all the staves suck anyway. They will be put on magian staff im sure, which is the best staff anyways.

Runefencer be able to use ragnarok might be broken and they might have a valid point. Its supposed to be a tank job.

Not addind mandau on dnc is just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Blu with excalibur would make blue a beast but its more useful to have a blu then a freaking rdm. Cor should get relic gun... I mean 99 empyrean is already better for cor I think anyway. COR can't use the bullets that RNG can so it would still gimp and balance the relic gun.

I think they should add them to relics and I think they should fix claustrum still lol. It sucks.

I notice the last 3 Posts from the (DEV) team were all negative ones.

1. NO TH gear for you BST even though we said we would add TH gear for pet jobs.

2. LOL RDM sucks and will continue to suck with no updates. The healing got replaced by whm post 75, the nukes got replaced by BLMs who nbow have convert, refresh and good mp supply. The DOTs and enhancing magic have been replaced by SCH and now geomancer will ruin any other hopes rdm has, like certain spells. Rune fencer will ruin rdms en-spell abilities exclusive.

3. Now they talk crap about relics and empyreans not on other jobs ever (which we knew already, just the principle that they keep posting negative crap on that forums for the playerbase instead of positive ones).

1. TH doesn't affect coins by much. I still get 3-4 coins a kill from the proc system. Your logic fails SE.

2. RDM needs something, egomancer and sch are shitting on them. You also removed nearly every rdm proc in VW.

3. Don't make a 4th line of relic weapons. Relic, mythics and empyreans to 99 are hard enough to get. I dont want my weapon to be obsoleted by a new empyrean line. Make alex easier to obtain in Neo-salvage. Make it so that 1 person can enter salvage alone and not 3 ppl needed. Add a proc system to salvage if you have too. Thanks bye.... They need to play their own game sometimes.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-02 21:32:29
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Bismarck.Zagarikano said: »
I notice the last 3 Posts from the (DEV) team were all negative ones.
They tend to do that.

Save a bunch of bad information to release it all at once right before the weekend, then bring some good (if you can call it that) news after the weekend is over.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-08-02 21:32:39
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Bahamut.Serj said: »
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Like I said, Serj was just exaggerating SE's reasoning. Therefore what he said made sense.

It is completely bull ***reasoning on SE's part, though.

It doesn't make sense because its apples and oranges. A support/solo job vs a pure DD job. If he said SE was "worried mandau dnc would ***all over mandau thf/brd, lol" then it would actually be a viable comparison.

Despite all that I actually agree that relics should be available to the wotg/toau jobs, I just thought the comparison was pointless.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

Aaaaaand I just realized who I was responding to. GDI.
Fine, all my responses are directed at the people who think your comment made sense. Better?
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By Sylph.Chrisstreb 2012-08-02 21:32:57
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If you look at Moluva Maul (however its spelt) its WHM/SCH, and Clement Skean is THF/DNC/RDM/BRD. BRD on Relic Dagger and no DNC makes me sad in fairness. Lets also be honest. How many WHMs would prefer to use Randgrith over Hexa Strike in terms of DD damage anyways. It's not like SCH has Hexa
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2012-08-02 21:35:18
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Bismarck.Zagarikano said: »
egomancer

I really enjoyed this typo
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2012-08-02 21:37:34
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Corsairs with a weapon that has the same base damage as 99 Armageddon, but with ranged accuracy and attack? Ludacris!


I think SE just doesn't want COR to gain access to low enmity WS like RNG does, this probably apply to other none-relic weapon job.

Because, you know, they don't have Wildfire.

Wildfire is very different from Coronach, magical, and enmity- isn't static like Coronach. Honestly -25 enmity at 100 TP doesn't make a damn difference compare with Coronach.

But guess that's SE's balance.....
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By Phoenix.Urteil 2012-08-02 21:38:40
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Gimp said: »
shutup and just increase the flow of alexandrite and ease to obtain solo

shutup gimp
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By Cerberus.Corphish 2012-08-02 21:39:38
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Sylph.Chrisstreb said: »
If you look at Moluva Maul (however its spelt) its WHM/SCH
He was arguing how it 'fits into lore' though. Hammers have pretty much been exclusive to WHM.

Edit: There's some hammers for WARs (but they get everything D:<) and PLDs (higher skill, etc.), but you get the idea. If anything PLD would have the club before any other job.
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By Sylph.Chrisstreb 2012-08-02 21:45:17
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Cerberus.Corphish said: »
Sylph.Chrisstreb said: »
If you look at Moluva Maul (however its spelt) its WHM/SCH
He was arguing how it 'fits into lore' though. Mauls/hammers have pretty much been exclusive to WHM.
Yeah, woosh'd there. Though it depends on if there was other games where SCH (or 'equivalent' jobs) used Mauls/Hammers
 
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By Cerberus.Corphish 2012-08-02 21:51:09
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Sylph.Chrisstreb said: »
How many WHMs would prefer to use Randgrith over Hexa Strike in terms of DD damage anyways. It's not like SCH has Hexa
People sometimes forget it's also the highest base damage one handed weapon in the game. And it's for White Mages. A curing mage job. Being a DD whm has a very unique feel to it, so it would be a bit disheartening if our space is invaded, sorta...

But this isn't a WHM thread. o,o
Carry on, something something mandau dnc.
I do wish COR could use relic gun. I was always partial to marksman COR and not QD.
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By Ophannus 2012-08-02 21:56:13
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Altana-forbid that SCH gets Claustrum or BLU gets Excalibur and uses Knights of the Round(LOL) or that PUP get some counter.
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2012-08-02 22:06:36
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Asura.Draginhikari said: »
Xenshi said: »
They won't increase alex flow, they already said they feel that that alexs added from NNI is more than enough. I can't remember which post it was, but it wasn't too long ago. BUT hey..at least we can all look forward to increased food duration through the kupopower thing!!

Sincerely yours, loling all the way to cancel my account.

Actually the gest of what they said is that they feel the amount of alexandrite available is a result in the loss of interest in salvage and are currently believing that the salvage revamp will assist that issue. How likely this is or not is left to be seen.

It is not likely at all. It's one of those SE decisions that makes you ask "do they even play their own *** game?"
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By Xellan 2012-08-02 22:06:58
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...In other words, they don't know how to add a line to Spharai (99) with a latent damage rating of 43. That's about the only problem.


And what is this about "balance"? How is it to "balanced" to have 15/22 jobs with relics, and 20/22 jobs on Empyreans?
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