[Dev] Nyzul Isle Assault Bug

Your pedantry is adorable. Difficulty and luck are not mutually exclusive. Something can be obnoxiously luck-based and therefor difficult to clear legitimately.

The responses ringing of "..then why don't they just remove lamps!" are, well, stupid. They're not upset that people are cheating, they're upset that people are cheating to fly through an event that they wanted to be extremely difficult. Why on earth would they remove the roadblock itself instead of removing the cheating mechanism?

Sounds like salvage

I agree that they should remove the roadblock, but I don't think they should make it easier. Change up the floor difficulty; less Doppleganger Gog and more Suzaku/Byakko/Fafnir/Adamantoise/Waraxe Beak/etc, but mitigate the ridiculous time losses that totally ignore skill. It'll make for a better event overall.

Most reasonable post yet.

I think folks are advocating this more because it's a more fair option for those who haven't benefited from lamp swaps, not because of SE's intentions with respect to difficulty.

Edit: Totally agree with Tikal. I'd love to see the difficulty more based on player skill/gear, and less on randomness.

In my opinion, the greatest profits to be gained in this game at the moment are moreso the result of taking the initiative to lead, as opposed to "having all of the best gear or being the most brilliant person imaginable". Regardless of gear or "being terrible", the people making money off of things like Neo-Nyzul are doing what a lot of other people are too lazy to do--organize a group.

Artificial "RNG" difficulty is frustrating. Surely there are more creative ways to increase difficulty then Lamps.

Good game design takes effort and SE is a lazy bum.

To me, NNI right now is the only rewarding event in the game as a player challenging themselves. Winning is a rush, but I get the same rush on a Kill-All floor and all four DDs walk into a room and at the same time think "Oh ***."

Wading through Voluptuous Vivian, or taking on Byakko as a group or even on your own because everyone had to split up, in a timed and constricted fashion is thrilling for me. It's just... fun, but being timed and aiming for a goal as lofty as NNI gear doesn't let you stop and smell the roses most times, so if its not a Kill All floor, NMs like VV and Byakko and Hydra go untouched.

When I read the topic's title was I the only one that thought "Hey, they fixing que Qiqirn floors freeze"?

Make no mistake, I think lamps are a ludicrous part of this event, and should be removed immediately. That doesn't make "why aren't they removing lamps?!" as a response to them cracking down on lamp dat abuse any less stupid.

Agreed, I just think some people aren't as thorough when they consider game design.

When i think of game design, My thoroughness ends on "Okay, Difficulty aside, What random, Completely luck based, Unskillful things should we add now?"

It just seems lazy to me. I know why they aren't removing it, But its a little upsetting. They don't have to remove lamps entirely, But the eradication of "Order" floors would be a welcome start.

Was really contemplating coming back to 11 until I read this. Missing the boat on NN while everyone else is 15/15 would be infuriating.

you can do this without cheating btw... idk why everyone is so upset cuz its not instantly easy to obtain. that just makes it more fun

There are copious amounts of people who have cleared "vanilla" NNI. It's just not.... 3-4 clears per run easy. I've had runs several trips to NNI where we didn't see order lamps in our floor-ups. No dats would not preclude you from clearing.... it would just make it *** hard as hell to do. Like..... super hard (and yes probably unattainable for sets that didnt follow the cookie cutter job setups and A+ gear etc)

I agree. At least order. If you can't figure out confirmation or same time, then....

You can also waste more time trying to find the lamps and determine the order. Really what is the likelihood of getting it the right first time?

The luck factor is already in the level jumps. Knowing the order to lamps every time has nothing to do with play skill or luck. Sorry, but I don't find it fun when players cheat and get away with it. Then again doesn't bother me much since it doesn't take anything away from me.

sucks i guess if you dont find it fun. even though its luck based me and my group still have a lot of fun and dont use skype or dat files so when do get to floor 80 or 100 its very exciting. oh and we can do lamp order in less than 1minute even when we dont get the first try

BS just on the basis of the recast of lamps lol. Have you waiting forever for try two if you don't get it right the first time

With a full team of purely vanilla clients, you have less then 5% chance at seeing floor 100. I would venture it to be less then 1%.

SE designed the event such that floor 100 is a giant carrot that is meant to be unobtainable. It was designed for players to attempt to farm floor 80 for +3 and slowly build up 25 items for the 100 gear.

There are far worse ways they can screw you over then order lamps. Those are just the most blatant time traps and run killers, and most easily bypassed. SE can still kill your run by giving you WS restriction on Kill All, Boss or Leader floors. They can kill your run by giving you a ton of 2 and 3 jumps which just wastes time. They can force you to fight the floor 20 and 80 boss on you way up. They can give you the PDT custard multiple times. You could have floors that have the objective five rooms north, but first you have to go three rooms to the east. Or like they did to us, cruising through @floor 94 with 5min left, easy victory. Kill All, and the floor included Genbu, Tarasque, Krutzel and some other NM with with four or five regular mobs sprinkled around. We cleared that f*cked up floor with a little over 60s left went up and ... FLOOR 99 Kill ALL, two NMs and some other mobs. We timed out right as we were killing the final mobs ready to go up.

THAT is what SE can do to utterly screw your run up. Even should you get lucky enough to have everything work out and no major hurdles, a single floor can ruin your run. All those cheats people use are not to make the event "easy" but to actually make it "winable" once or twice per week (50% win rate assuming no major F*CK YOU's from SE). Each cheat you use further enhances your win rate by cutting down the average time per floor which in turn allows your run to survive multiple "screw yous" from SE.

Make it easy for casual players to get people or a group that's WILLING to help them get gear and not be *** about it and we'll all be 15/15.

I agree with your point but you're grossly over exaggerating unless youre going into NNI with 2 pups a blu and a thf, or no schs. We've had weeks that our average floor up was 19 or 3 boss floors in one pass. Our famous one was the no ws on 100 timing out at 1%.

The only thing that really ever screwed us was the absorb custard while we were trying to figure him out.

edit: outside of lamps, i mean

MORe whine more whine more whine and more whine i've gotten to hundredth floor without any windower or dat. modding a number of times. some times you win sometimes you lose yes i said it lose supposed to be random and difficult praying for no order lamp but getting it and taking 1 to 2 mins to solve a organized group like mine did them in one min or less with out that cheating crap. But thank you cheaters now u made the event even more harder then should have been what y'all did was take away from the average player which are more then you all. lamps are apart of nyzul isle you lazy degenerates but i guess yall dont care now you got yall gear and now SE ramps up the difficulty adding traps upon traps making it impossible. Thanks for nothing

How exactly does fixing lamps so that dat swapping doesn't work, hurt vanilla players?

The most likely fixes to the "bug" are:
1) Move lamps server side.
2) Actually fix the code so that the order can be different not just the spawn locations.

JESUS CHRIST ON A *** ROCKET!

Run-on sentences. q_q

How many pieces do you have?

You are whining more than half the people in this thread, and you clearly havent even read any of it. If you did you wouldn't be complaining because in your case it makes absolutely zero difference to your group.

don't feed the trolls, guys