Is A Mythic Even Feasible Anymore For A Newbie? |
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Is a Mythic even feasible anymore for a newbie?
Valefor.Prothescar said: » Yeah, again, not a pissing contest, merely stating that they're both on the same ground and one should not be held above the other. I'd bring a DRK or WAR over either any day. Always thought of a well geared blu to be on par with mnk. That is to say, sub-par to top DDs. At least blu has utility going for it. Q_Q I can set all of my traits and an efficient amount of proc spells at the same time, and a lot of my utility spells aren't tied to my set points. Aside from that, you're still ignoring the fact that no situations, or at least so few that they aren't worth considering, exist where your MNK's 500HP is going to cause my BLU to fall behind so astronomically that they are no longer equal. Unless I'm asleep at the wheel, which I understand could be a problem for MNK, I don't need an 8s reaction time to judge whether or not I have to hit my potion or fruit macro.
If you've already acknowledged what I've been saying, then why are you still arguing against it? lol No, you have to make an instant decision between trusting your mage and lowering your DPS. Sure hope you aren't stunned, terrored, paralyzed, or otherwise incapacitated.
I'm not going to submit a variable that relies on having poor WHMs, as that isn't the fault of myself or anyone other than the healers. Especially since the provided situation will almost never occur.
How about WHMs that are already casting another spell they should be? I don't see how you can trivialize 4 more seconds of reaction time, that's very large for WHM.
Quote: If you've already acknowledged what I've been saying, then why are you still arguing against it? lol 4 more seconds of reaction time that I'll never use since I've already acted on it myself. I'm doing more DPS by using my potion than I am by getting hit with a stray nuke or melee hit and dying, that I can assure you. Following the minimal loss of DPS by waiting for my potion to launch, I'll use what I can to regain the lost ground, which considering the fact that MNK will be similarly incapacitated nearly as often as BLU will, isn't difficult.
MNK doesn't have any utility to compete with, so I don't know why you're trying to say MNK is superior in that regard in any capacity whatsoever. Damage taken, subsequently death from sustaining too much, has a negative impact on DPS, it is not utility to have higher HP. If the MNK isn't using up time proccing, what are they there for? How do debuffs not massively compensate for it (hint: more exist than just def down in the event that you're attack capped)? What is the 20-30% from? How does 6.9 = 9? Overall value of BLU vs Overall value of MNK is equal. BLU's flexibility is a major asset in that I can either go full on DD to match the MNK, or I can be of more benefit to myself and my group by providing all of the utility that my job possesses while still retaining a high amount of damage output in relation to the pure DD mode. That's it. That's the argument. Neither is better than the other, and neither is worth ***on things that don't die to wind blowing on them too strongly. Valefor.Prothescar said: » MNK doesn't have any utility to compete with, so I don't know why you're trying to say MNK is superior in that regard in any capacity whatsoever. Damage taken, subsequently death from sustaining too much, has a negative impact on DPS, it is not utility to have higher HP. Quote: If the MNK isn't using up time proccing, what are they there for? Quote: How do debuffs not massively compensate for it? What is the 20-30% from? How does 6.9 = 9? If you keep insisting 'its only 6.9%', you'll spread the mindset that BLU doing pure DD is an acceptable use of a party slot. While it's certainly the optimal choice to stay alive, proc, and do the many other things BLU is capable of.. it will drastically increase the damage gap between the jobs in actual play. An ideal voidwatch group uses 3 DD that only bother with damage or extreme proc, BRD COR WHM, 3 DD that focus on procs, BRD COR WHM, 2-3 BLM and some other ranged proccers. As shout results vary, the latter group is more likely to lose their BRD and/or COR to a DD slot. BLU's proc abilities/non damage utility are much more valuable to a group than their damage capability, so it's a waste to focus purely on DD and pretend you're comparable to a job with 6.9% more damage and 30% more HP. I guess, in short, nobody wants a BLU that does 6.9% damage less than a MNK. They want a BLU that brings all the wonderful things that BLU has to the table, and that BLU will be much more behind a MNK in actual damage. Neither MNK or BLU are an acceptable use of a party slot if their only focus is DD. That's the point. :| From the very first post I've stated the importance of BLU's utility in fielding it as a comparable job to MNK, you came in and said it lowers DPS for whatever irrelevant reason however, and I fielded counters as to how that can be partially mitigated. Comparing MNk and BLU's overall potential DPS is a piece of evidence toward showing the actuality of how close together the two jobs actually are.
Valefor.Prothescar said: » Neither MNK or BLU are an acceptable use of a party slot if their only focus is DD. That's the point. :| If I had your BLU as an option for said party, I'd absolutely drop a single MNK for it. I'd be pretty disappointed if all you did was DD at a rate 6.9% below the MNK though, plus you'd probably be dead. I've never said the jobs aren't comparable, I said that the damage comparison is just plain inaccurate in real situations. I'd be foolish to ignore utility when it's BLU's major method of standing out. Like I said, DPS comparisons were done to rectify the general stigma of "MNK pisses all over BLU's damage". Utilizing utility, however, won't make such an enormous impact as to completely dwarf BLU's damage output compared to MNK, which is the issue i've had with your argument.
The damage output evaluation included every possible measurable variable, JA delay, WS delay, uptimes/downtimes, gear changes, etc., it's as accurate a representation as you can get before adding in uncontrolled variables and player error, neither of which are relevant when comparing a job to another job. The simulation assumes perfect play for 24 hours straight, so it's not got much room to have errors, they'd be easily noticed. Then MNK sucks too! O:
I'd invite a MNK over a BLU anyday.
Your loss, not mine
Not really, considering 99% of BLU's suck.
No question, but that's not what I was comparing.
I'd be interested in seeing a staff MNK vs an aurore blu though I'd probably invite Comeatmebro on MNK over your BLU too.
I'd probably invite both of us, but again, your loss!
With the general level of competency of Valefor PUGs, you'd be hard pressed to find a MNK of greater skill than the average BLU to begin with. I mean ***, I've outparsed a certain mortal kombat character's WAR dozens of times on BLU, does that mean I shouldn't invite WARs anymore? O:
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