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By Jetackuu 2012-05-19 21:32:13
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Chakstealandbot said: »
Jetackuu said: »
100% honest, you can't but you can have a ruling class that understands that the underlings are a vital part of society and one must keep them happy to continue with said society.

I'll keep my energy for local/state elections as those can be affected much easier.

apparently they don't require us to be happy, congress has had less than 10% approval rating for a very long time now

I don't what?

that statement made no sense...


edit: see your edit.

Try to reread everything I typed and put 2 and 2 together and it will make more sense.
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By Sylph.Kandu 2012-05-24 10:37:02
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No one remembers Chester A. Arthur.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2012-05-24 11:09:15
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Why does he want confirmation on this dead horse issue?

“I believe the president was born in Hawaii – or at least I hope he was,” Bennett said.

“They could say yes tomorrow and the whole thing goes away,” Bennett said. “If they can’t say yes to that simple question, then it makes me wonder if we have to take it to another level. One way or another, we have to have some simple verification that people are qualified for the office if they’re going to be on the ballot here in Arizona.”

He's a birther, period.

The desperation of some to discount the president because he isn't a WASP is absolutely sickening and shows just how dirty some are willing to play to return to the status quo.

You don't have to like the president, you can disparage his decisions left right and center and you can actively campaign to have him replaced by Mitt Romney but when I see the birther card played the obvious racism just jumps right off the page and hits you in the nose. This issue has never been used before but once the black guy comes into power it's time to check his papers!

Not racist in the slightest. Nope.

It has nothing to do with racism. It's just a desperate attempt to exploit a rule of presidency. If a white democrat candidate was thought to have been born in Germany or something, they would be doing the same thing. It's absolutely silly, because this issue has been addressed many times in the past, but please do not play the race card.

P.S. I do not support either of the major parties.
edit: oops messed up quote
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-05-24 11:12:37
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Bismarck.Magnuss said: »
Yeah, if they don't put him on the ballot, I'm just going to write him in, anyway.
You do that.

http://www.privacyisawesome.com/
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-05-24 11:33:26
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Sylph.Kandu said: »
No one remembers Chester A. Arthur.

This guy does!
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By Leviathan.Yogurt 2012-05-24 12:18:51
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There are so many other better reasons to hate and not vote for Obama, this issue is just a distraction. Just watch your sewer main media and let them tell you your opinion of things. And where he was born aside, he is still not a natural born citizen, his father is a citizen of Kenya
United States Supreme Court, 1875 minior vs happersett said:
“Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth. It found: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-05-24 12:36:18
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Imagine... just pretend that Obama was actually born somewhere not in the United States. Ok. What now? Finding that out doesn't come with the ability to change anything that's happened in the past 3+ years. And it's not like "fixing" or "undoing" everything he's done is very likely, either. The government isn't exactly known for it's efficiency and though I'm no expert, I think the task of re-examining every single decision - every piece of paper he signed during his term is beyond its ability. Oh, don't forget, it would also have to govern the present in addition to the past.

And it's not as if it would be all internal, either. Any treaty, agreement, promise, deal made with another country would be subject to question. Every "good" deal the US got wouldn't be honored, but at the same time, everyone who profits by a deal made with the US would demand that we honor it.

Ignoring how ridiculous it is, the time for this is long past. And let's be honest, if you like what he's doing, you don't care where he was born. If you don't like what he's doing, then you don't want him to be President anymore. Luckily, there's a fix to the situation:

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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-05-24 13:06:43
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Leviathan.Yogurt said: »
There are so many other better reasons to hate and not vote for Obama, this issue is just a distraction. Just watch your sewer main media and let them tell you your opinion of things. And where he was born aside, he is still not a natural born citizen, his father is a citizen of Kenya
United States Supreme Court, 1875 minior vs happersett said:
“Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth. It found: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”
Nice try. Cutting off the quote to remove the full context isn't a tactic that works well around people capable of doing a simple Google search.

The full paragraph: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words "all children" are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as "all persons," and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea."

The case did not define a natural-born citizen at all. The opinion of the court was that they didn't give a crap since it wasn't relevant.
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By Sylph.Kandu 2012-05-24 13:25:24
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Leviathan.Yogurt said: »
"...with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar...”

Using the nomenclature of the framers of the Constitution:

"a free white person"

*Naturalization Act of 1795
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-05-24 13:30:56
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Odin.Liela said: »
Wow. I honestly thought all this birth certificate nonsense was settled years ago. /comfort
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-05-24 13:32:54
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Ragnarok.Kongming said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
All this does is display why the Republican party is becoming increasingly hateful of anyone who isn't white, male and protestant christian.
Except Romney is a Mormon.
and they still hate him
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-05-24 13:33:46
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Sylph.Kandu said: »
Leviathan.Yogurt said: »
"...with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar...”

Using the nomenclature of the framers of the Constitution:

"a free white person"

*Naturalization Act of 1795
Dammit, guess I gotta leave. Who wants my stuff?
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-05-24 13:34:57
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Pleebo for President!
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2012-05-24 14:49:40
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Pleebo for President!
Before we start campaigning, let me clear my browser history...
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