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Kraken Club -- How Much?
Bismarck.Helel
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-05-18 17:28:57
I used to have one for my annihilator RNG back in the day. It was only really "useful" for destroying colibris. Nowadays I can't think of a single situation where it would be useful.
Also, more on the technical side, you lose a ton of damage of your WS if you do decide to use the kraken. You can't use velocity shot (or shouldn't), you're probably using sushi so you can actually hit the mob, and you cannot go /war because double attack greatly lowers the amount of swings per attack round (if double attack procs, then the oa2-8 cannot proc). So basically you're losing velocity shot, berserk, and red curry.
Ramuh.Yarly
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2012-05-18 17:30:17
Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa said: »As if 90M is hard to obtain now. Can easily make that inside a week. Not that I am going to give you a guide on how to do it.
OMG SECRET GIL MAKING TECHNIQUES :O
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By Sylph.Sagiaurex 2012-05-18 17:36:40
Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa said: »As if 90M is hard to obtain now. Can easily make that inside a week. Not that I am going to give you a guide on how to do it.
OMG SECRET GIL MAKING TECHNIQUES :O
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-05-18 17:41:35
gl doing that in a single week lol.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-05-18 17:43:15
Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa said: »As if 90M is hard to obtain now. Can easily make that inside a week. Not that I am going to give you a guide on how to do it.
OMG SECRET GIL MAKING TECHNIQUES :O
DO WANT
It's easy, just drop in a thread, make vague comments about how much gil you have, or about how much you can make. Make sure to point out how easy is. The only tricky part is dodging answering any questions about how you make gil - just keep your cool face on, and you'll be fine. But if the very worst happens, just say, "you obviously suck at ffxi. It's so easy. Just think about it." Then you're good.
Really though, I agree about how, if you have the gil, there's nothing wrong with buying a kclub. My time could be better spent building something else? Sure could. It'd also be better spent training seeing-eye dogs, or visiting cancer patients. If someone wants a kclub, they can have a kclub.
By xenomasterkenshin 2012-05-18 18:00:14
Well if u got a mule, u can duo-merc a lot of stuff like pantokrator, rani, shinryu and empyrean items, im sure u could sell eponas for 3mill and the rest of the other gear at high price too.
Also farming pop sets of empyrean weapons (bria, glavoid and the like) can net good amounts of gil, you can farm a bria pop set with a mule in like 30-60 mins depending on luck, sell each helm @250k+ and with some luck on drops, net 1mill.
Repeat til you're happy lol, also there's the usual stuff like dynamis, choco blinkers (or cells if they are hovering 90k/stack), and VW drops, metals can yield a good amount of gil over time if u like doing VW a lot.
Another way of getting some gil is limbus, apollyon can yield an ok amount of coins (the one with the behemoth as final boss), they sell at 7-8k/each in my server but im sure they will go up a lot once the limbus update comes (hello metal chips as requirements to enter limbus v2), also there's salvage with the alex as well, you can get easy 40-70 each run with a healer, tank and thf (whm-thf-mnk combo is great here).
By Ruchy 2012-05-18 19:20:35
sold my KC on 5/12/12 for 79million to a JP.
Sylph.Kimble
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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-05-18 22:26:04
Sometimes, reading people on AH makes me wonder how some people even know how to work a keyboard.
Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa
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By Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa 2012-05-19 05:13:07
Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa said: »As if 90M is hard to obtain now. Can easily make that inside a week. Not that I am going to give you a guide on how to do it.
OMG SECRET GIL MAKING TECHNIQUES :O
DO WANT
It's easy, just drop in a thread, make vague comments about how much gil you have, or about how much you can make. Make sure to point out how easy is. The only tricky part is dodging answering any questions about how you make gil - just keep your cool face on, and you'll be fine. But if the very worst happens, just say, "you obviously suck at ffxi. It's so easy. Just think about it." Then you're good.
Really though, I agree about how, if you have the gil, there's nothing wrong with buying a kclub. My time could be better spent building something else? Sure could. It'd also be better spent training seeing-eye dogs, or visiting cancer patients. If someone wants a kclub, they can have a kclub.
If that is directed at me I am not completely sure where you are trying to go with this. I can make 90M a week isn't vague. But why am I going to make you a guide of how I do so 2 days later its no longer a resource to me? Sure I could screenshot my gil from day to day I suppose but then I would get the same troll responces(He is buying gil! Or pulling it off a mule! etc etc). It's basically a two-sided suckers bet. Prove it and get CC'd don't and be doubted. Not to mention all in all it had little to do with my agruement that kraken club is a fun toy and if you have the gil go for it. But like everyone else its just my point of view.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-05-19 05:23:14
Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa said: »Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa said: »As if 90M is hard to obtain now. Can easily make that inside a week. Not that I am going to give you a guide on how to do it.
OMG SECRET GIL MAKING TECHNIQUES :O
DO WANT
It's easy, just drop in a thread, make vague comments about how much gil you have, or about how much you can make. Make sure to point out how easy is. The only tricky part is dodging answering any questions about how you make gil - just keep your cool face on, and you'll be fine. But if the very worst happens, just say, "you obviously suck at ffxi. It's so easy. Just think about it." Then you're good.
Really though, I agree about how, if you have the gil, there's nothing wrong with buying a kclub. My time could be better spent building something else? Sure could. It'd also be better spent training seeing-eye dogs, or visiting cancer patients. If someone wants a kclub, they can have a kclub.
If that is directed at me I am not completely sure where you are trying to go with this. I can make 90M a week isn't vague. But why am I going to make you a guide of how I do so 2 days later its no longer a resource to me? Sure I could screenshot my gil from day to day I suppose but then I would get the same troll responces(He is buying gil! Or pulling it off a mule! etc etc). It's basically a two-sided suckers bet. Prove it and get CC'd don't and be doubted. Not to mention all in all it had little to do with my agruement that kraken club is a fun toy and if you have the gil go for it. But like everyone else its just my point of view.
I think you're being doubted because it's REALLY far fetched to make that much in so little time. Assuming you mean solo. ADL drops are expensive but that's another thing entirely, nor is that "easy".
Phoenix.Sehachan
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-05-19 05:24:27
If can always invest in Vana'diel stock market!
Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa
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By Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa 2012-05-19 05:35:24
I will PM you a simple example Eikechi that can be solo'd though I generally choose to dual box. Its only "Really" far fetched because you want it to be. Off subject. Finished downloading Diablo 3 hope its entertaining *_-
*Edit* Not even going to bother with PM'ing. Easiest example. Simply look at your local RMT. Cleave. I did it for awhile not so much these days. Can be solo'd blu / war/rdm / rdm etc. I choose dual box war and rdm. Selling slots 100k and hour but RMT going for something like 12 hours for 1 mil now so lets go with that. Will say 15 leeches 1 keyer and they run 24/7. Well thats 30M a day plus cruor. 210M a week. Personally I could do 12 hours a day even with a job(Construction atm) and my kids. So lets half it 105M. Say I am busy a day 90M.
There is a example for you. Is it for common I play 2 hours a day person no. Is it hard, again no. Can it be very boring hell yes. And yes there are other ways but I am done debating this take it easy.
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Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa
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By Quetzalcoatl.Darkakumaa 2012-05-19 06:32:21
To each there own. Craft, Cleave, Fish, NM, Dynamis, Merc, etc. Just wanted to show its possible even though it had nothing to do with kraken clubs. Time for Diablo 3. Take it easy. But just to restate, if you want a kraken club get it. If you want a relic then do that instead. After all it's YOU that's playing the game not us sitting on a forum debating what is right, wrong, best, worst.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-19 06:35:02
When i bothered to do cleaving, I charged 500k per spot for 7 hours (one hour being free to build lights). I do not bring extra baggage for cleaving, but I had one key ***. 8,000,000g a night. 56,000,000g a week if I did it every night. That isn't counting items from chests or cruor, but I don't think it'd make up the difference. I guess it would be possible if you did more than 6-7 hours a day or charged more than 100k per hour. If you toss in about 2,000,000g a day from Dynamis, you're looking at about 70,000,000 in a week.
This is also assuming that you're good at cleaving and that your server has people willing to pay for the cleave. No one's going to pay for your services if you suck *** (figurative). This is also assuming that you have the patience to sit there and cleave for 6-7 hours a night.
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Shiva.Galbir
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-05-19 06:41:19
I'm thinking about getting into burning for gil. Did you ask for the gil before hand, 1/2 before, or all after? Also if 1/2 or all after how many people did you have that didn't pay?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-19 06:42:32
You always get the payment before you start cleaving. That way they can afk and you don't have to worry about them ditching before paying you.
Unsatisfied customers can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis afterward if necessary, but I don't get those.
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Shiva.Galbir
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-05-19 06:45:11
I got ya; thanks man.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-19 06:47:09
Also, if you're willing to micro manage it, you can set up smaller plans for people who may be wary and unwilling to spend the "bigger" amount. 75-100k/hr, 250k for 3 hours, that sort of thing.
Once people know your name and recognize that you're good, you could just offer the higher price, even look at increasing the price slightly if you're really good at it, though that's usually bad business.
And before too many people thing this is their get rich quick scheme, remember... you have to be good. if you aren't exceptional, you probably have others there helping you, cutting into your profits. If you're bad, you aren't having people paying you 500k and stuff. (This isn't directed at you Galbir, I know you're not an idiot)
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Shiva.Galbir
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-05-19 06:49:54
I remember back in the day I used to charge people 10k an hour to pl them in the dunes. Good times but it was boring as mud. At least with this it'll be worth more than pocket change.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-05-19 06:50:23
Slightly more exciting than PLing too.
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Lakshmi.Konvict
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By Lakshmi.Konvict 2012-05-19 07:27:14
Gandiva/Annihil Kraken Club Rng is one of the top tier DDs in the game.
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Ragnarok.Matix
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By Ragnarok.Matix 2012-05-19 10:12:44
I used to have one for my annihilator RNG back in the day. It was only really "useful" for destroying colibris. Nowadays I can't think of a single situation where it would be useful.
Also, more on the technical side, you lose a ton of damage of your WS if you do decide to use the kraken. You can't use velocity shot (or shouldn't), you're probably using sushi so you can actually hit the mob, and you cannot go /war because double attack greatly lowers the amount of swings per attack round (if double attack procs, then the oa2-8 cannot proc). So basically you're losing velocity shot, berserk, and red curry.
This is way overstating it, at provenance watcher, I sub war(even end up with god damn war roll), use vshot, and eating RCB, still parsing top 3. I'll tottaly agree it hurts gettinng /war's DA, (and fighters roll for that matter), but its no where near that bad, and is mostly irrelevant when compared to the bonus /war is giving(dont forget fencer still works with kraken too). its the same with getting hasted with vshot, im still getting tp sometimes before, but often just as my ws animation finishes(remember this is @ PW, with zerg buffs etc..), btw, all this with yoichi, an anni should and would put up even better numbers.
Ragnarok.Nekonarf
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By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2012-05-19 10:51:24
30mil cruor really doesn't take that long to accumulate, if you do it with just a single character tho you're doing it entirely wrong, and that's the beautie of Abyssea and multi-boxing.
A week to build up 30mil if you run 3 characters is nothing, and the more you have obviously the faster it goes, I knew someone on Ragnarok that owned I think 7 or 8 accounts, and just stuck them in abys-ule and went to town, probably one of the richest players on the server currently cause they'd also sell off any Isgebind pops that they got for a small fee.
Sylph.Kimble
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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-05-19 19:45:19
No one is going to believe anything you say sadly.
Fenrir.Curty
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By Fenrir.Curty 2012-05-19 20:15:16
Just wanted to say that kraken gandiva ranger is the best DD in new nyzul by a fairly large margin. I've also yet to be outparsed on a prov watcher zerg. embrava + kraken +store tp build = cant tap WS macro quick enough. Also for those saying don't sub war when you are using kraken.. yes double attack hurts the club's tp gain a bit but it is not catastrophic enough to lose fencer zerk and aggressor. On situations such as prov watcher zerg, I would actually argue that aggressor more than makes up for double attacks effect on tp gain.
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By Asura.Kenrusai 2012-05-19 20:44:17
lol, kimble
P.S Make anni ya damn bow rngs !
Whats a reasonable selling price for a K.club these days? I know it used to be around 40m but now I see them in bazaars for anywhere from 70m - 90m. Are people really buying them for that much now?
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