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Quote: Their efforts should be focused on finding people who want to spark the effort on their server, Quote: No worries guys, he's here. [rude unnecessary quotes and comments] (I couldn't even understand the context of the comments without clicking the link. The tag meant nothing to me, and I never post on the BG forums for reasons obvious to anyone (demonstrated by the quotations) Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » Quote: Their efforts should be focused on finding people who want to spark the effort on their server, Quote: No worries guys, he's here. [rude unnecessary quotes and comments] (I couldn't even understand the context of the comments without clicking the link. The tag meant nothing to me, and I never post on the BG forums for reasons obvious to anyone (demonstrated by the quotations) I did read that sentence in the context presented. I(We)are working hard to revive Ballista in every sense. Even getting people to click on a thread that has Ballista in the title is an accomplishment in its own ;s. The quote is deleted, as requested! Apologies, you were in the line of fire. Still sad you won't even step into an uncap match and i only did that 60cap just to prove im more open minded then you, ok good job I suck at 60cap you got me i never said i was good at it at all what exactly are you trying to prove? You and your goons are better then me at 60cap but the fact you wont even go into an uncap is pathetic. Just the simple fact you record matches and try to humiliate ppl with video is even more of a reason not to wanna play ballista with jerks like you.
My team was made of 3 all 3 of us didn't know each other or have we ever played with each other each of our strats were different and we became frustrated what did you expect was gonna happen in that scenario you moron lol. Phoenix.Sayomi said: » Still sad you won't even step into an uncap match and i only did that 60cap just to prove im more open minded then you, ok good job I suck at 60cap you got me i never said i was good at it at all what exactly are you trying to prove? You and your goons are better then me at 60cap but the fact you wont even go into an uncap is pathetic. Just the simple fact you record matches and try to humiliate ppl with video is even more of a reason not to wanna play ballista with jerks like you. My team was made of 3 all 3 of us didn't know each other or have we ever played with each other each of our strats were different and we became frustrated what did you expect was gonna happen in that scenario you moron lol. I really shouldn't be feeding the troll... It is our prerogative to not participate in uncap matches. Just as it is yours to not participate in 60 cap matches. You dub yourself a hero for being open minded enough to participate in a 60 cap match... all... 6 of them? You know, the ones you played SAM/RNG and mashed sprint after someone looked your way? Your spurts of anger even then were irrational. Such as; completely going out of your way to hunt another player on the opposing team, severely damaging your team's chances of acquiring a win. Also, who could forget the infamous pouts in the middle of a match, where you'd /sit in the middle of the terrain and trash talk absolutely everyone. A hero indeed! You fail to comment on the screenshot posted. The video posted is one of a training exercise. One that was going to be kept for our records only. However, you poised yourself to be the losing side due to your equipment limitations.. thus we obliged your request. It should be noted, we have participated in plenty uncap matches. Just two examples for now:So before you slander my(our) name any further, I suggest you get your facts straight. I consider the whole "hyper" thing to be exploiting unintended consequences of a flawed mechanic. I'm pretty sure you were there after the Legion test event when people were telling me about this. While I enjoy uncapped matches (and 60 cap mind you, just not as much), I don't enjoy exploiting a bug/unintended use of a feature to create insanity when normal level 99 stuff is plenty intense (as I said before, I like a little chaos... not an overdose of it lol). When I'm playing uncapped, I still play ballista the normal way it was designed to be played.
(And I thought I was being trolled when I was being told about the hyper thing, when it turns out it's really possible) Regardless of level cap, I still want a good clean game. No exploits, but also no QQing and whining, which I'm sure isn't your favorite thing either. :p It is true that some of your videos tend to show someone kicking *** and taking names rather than close battles. I don't however think it's intentional and it's more just the material you have to work with.
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Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » I consider the whole "hyper" thing to be exploiting unintended consequences of a flawed mechanic. I'm pretty sure you were there after the Legion test event when people were telling me about this. While I enjoy uncapped matches (and 60 cap mind you, just not as much), I don't enjoy exploiting a bug/unintended use of a feature to create insanity when normal level 99 stuff is plenty intense (as I said before, I like a little chaos... not an overdose of it lol). When I'm playing uncapped, I still play ballista the normal way it was designed to be played. (And I thought I was being trolled when I was being told about the hyper thing, when it turns out it's really possible) Regardless of level cap, I still want a good clean game. No exploits, but also no QQing and whining, which I'm sure isn't your favorite thing either. :p It is true that some of your videos tend to show someone kicking *** and taking names rather than close battles. I don't however think it's intentional and it's more just the material you have to work with. For anyone not familiar with hyper, I suggest you read the following entries. I linked and copy/pasted them earlier in the thread, but I will re-post. I suggest reading the entries in the order presented~ The Problem: Revisited Strategy 004: Quarrying Theories Strategy 005: Battle Skill vs. Tech Skill (Hyper) Strategy 006: Hyper Experimentation Strategy 007: X-Hyper Finally, my opinion when our testing was complete. The common consensus within our community is that hyper is a de-evolution in play, and that certain players will rely on it far more than tried and true Ballista strategies. Our LS leader himself went on to say "These days, it's whoever can hyper better wins." Since then, I have personally perfected the technique and grown to rely on it as a "bonus" feature, not a "lifeline". That is to say, my personal playstyle wasn't altered(ok I lied, I take advantage of reraise items when available to force hyper). I quarry just as much as before, but this time with more purpose. Our recent tests have tried to quantify the subjective strength of quarrying vs full-on attacking as a front line job in a level 60 capped ballista match. In the end, full-on attacking damage output was 3 times more than a quarrying approach, thus forcing the user to make a decision on each attack round. Hyper these days is interpreted as a "quarrying skill". Hyper is a shock treatment for anyone new or returning to the Ballista scene. Honestly, I'm not quite sure that my videos do enough justice for the players that participate in them. There is a huge amount of skill displayed, and hyper is only a speck in the bigger scheme of things. Furthermore, I encourage everyone, irregardless of the server, to consider a Ballista match when things are slow~
Posting the new official match schedule shortly. I am personally working on a video entry showcasing the entire process of acquiring a Ballista license. Quote: The common consensus within our community is that hyper is a de-evolution in play, and that certain players will rely on it far more than tried and true Ballista strategies. Our LS leader himself went on to say "These days, it's whoever can hyper better wins." [grammar police] Quote: irregardless Quote: Honestly, I'm not quite sure that my videos do enough justice for the players that participate in them. Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » hyper fix? Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » hyper talk when new players show up and suck, it makes hardcore players feel like games aren't worth going to (because it comes down to whichever team has the goofs will lose 99% of the time), and in turn causes games to be cancelled. our main goal is to just play ballista. so when games get cancelled, we're losing the fight. the talk about hyper is important because it arms new players with the knowledge necessary to not be one of those goofs. edit: i guess this makes things sound even more daunting than they should be. but "hyper" is very easy to learn. ballista as a whole isn't difficult to learn if you have an open mind and can take advice. Quote: the chance of anything in ballista being fixed is basically zero. there have been bugs and gaping holes in the system that allow people to abuse things much worse than hyper.. since the beginning. Quote: when new players show up and suck, it makes hardcore players feel like games aren't worth going to (because it comes down to whichever team has the goofs will lose 99% of the time), and in turn causes games to be cancelled. our main goal is to just play ballista. so when games get cancelled, we're losing the fight. Quote: the talk about hyper is important because it arms new players with the knowledge necessary to not be one of those goofs. Quote: edit: i guess this makes things sound even more daunting than they should be. but "hyper" is very easy to learn. ballista as a whole isn't difficult to learn if you have an open mind and can take advice. I can say with relative certainty that SE did not intend when designing the quarry system for people to be able to exploit it to be able to get the item they want on command. I am content with the fact that Evviva does seem to recognize it's a problem, though she, like you, has accepted its existence on the basis that it will probably never get fixed. I'm not content with that, personally. I don't feel it should be knowingly abused by anyone. Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » hyper stuff arguing over whether it's "cheating" or "not intented" simply doesn't factor into the equation. if you want to play at anywhere near a competitive level, you have to learn it. i think it's important to mention that some people think it's made ballista better. while i don't agree myself, i can see where they're coming from. some jobs that were previously low tier become seriously viable top tier, and certain very fun aspects of the game become more accessible. it's not all doom and gloom when it comes to hyper. Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » exploit it to be able to get the item they want on command. exaggeration or not, there's still a lot of luck involved with quarrying. using the "hyper" strategy just changes the pool of quarryable items. (you can't actually pick up 5 revitalizers in a row, well.. you could but that would be obscenely lucky. and that's in a test situation, in a serious battle it's much tougher.) Quote: if you want to play at anywhere near a competitive level, Quote: i think it's important to mention that some people think it's made ballista better. while i don't agree myself, i can see where they're coming from. some jobs that were previously low tier become seriously viable top tier, and certain very fun aspects of the game become more accessible. it's not all doom and gloom when it comes to hyper. Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » opinion if you like summoner in ballista, hyper is the best thing since sliced bread. Quote: no offense, but i think you have to play in the environment before you can develop a real opinion of it. playing some games a long time ago doesn't really cut it. i know you had a run-in with some of my members over the whole thing, but don't let that cripple your judgement. Quote: if you like summoner in ballista, hyper is the most OP thing since sliced bread. Anyway... You've accepted it as part of the game, grudgingly of your own admission. I recognize its existence, but don't perceive it as enjoyable nor something I feel SHOULD be a part of the game. That's my opinion, call it whatever you want. I also don't like it when you "quote" me but reduce it to a single word, as if to say "oh what was that you said, was it "bla bla bla bla blah?" Quote: but don't let that cripple your judgement. Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » I have played in the environment- or more accurately been unwillingly subjected to it in an event which I hosted. Yes, I have an opinion but it's a reasonable one. this "hyper" concept is new relative to its existence. I see it as cheating because to me, it breaks the game. Who wins? The team that has the best group cohesion and most masterful control over their characters? or the ones that spam the most judgement bolts, eagle eye shots and benedictions? Beyond knowledge of its exitence and how it works, I don't see "hyper" being indicative of any sort of skill in a player. It just means they know how to abuse a badly designed system. I have played hundreds of official matches over the years- nobody has utilized this "hyper" concept or exhibited pattern of item use that suggests they utilized it. keep in mind all these players that created and mastered hyper, my group included, were at the pinnacle of the game before hyper existed. we know what it takes to win games, and hyper just added another dimension to it. and boy i wish hyper summoner was overpowered. you'd know if you had the experience with strong opponents. summoner is far too easy to shut down to ever be considered OP. you've got a serious grudge against something you've never really seen. it took time for everyone to adjust. again you need to really play with it and see what it can do for you and the game to form an opinion with any meaning. we can play talking heads all day, but words are wind. i think everybody knows how you feel about the subject. there are other threads to give free bumps to, i think. yes, unedited is better, I can always listen to some music if I want it.
Code Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » yes, unedited is better, I can always listen to some music if I want it. 10-4 thanks for the feedback! SMN is the most depressing job to play on even with hyper if your opposing team has sleep/lullaby...Q_Q and Blood Pacts are easy to run away from if you know you're targeted.
Also, PUP POV.
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Following is the official match listing for 3 days in advance. If you're unable to participate on the test server, I hope this schedule helps de-mystify match times.
22/06/2012 > 25/06/2012 ---60Cap--- Jugner Forest 22/06/2012 Entry: 4:09PM PST Match: 4:38PM PST Pashow Marshlands 22/06/2012 Entry: 6:04PM PST Match: 6:33PM PST Meriphataud Mountains 22/06/2012 Entry: 8:00PM PST Match: 8:28PM PST Jugner Forest 23/06/2012 Entry: 8:57PM PST Match: 9:26PM PST Pashow Marshlands 23/06/2012 Entry: 10:52PM PST Match: 11:21PM PST Meriphataud Mountains 24/06/2012 Entry: 12:48AM PST Match: 01:16AM PST Jugner Forest 25/06/2012 Entry: 01:45AM PST Match: 02:14AM PST Pashow Marshlands 25/06/2012 Entry: 03:40AM PST Match: 04:09AM PST Meriphataud Mountains 25/06/2012 Entry: 05:36AM PST Match: 06:04AM PST ---99CAP--- Jugner Forest 22/06/2012 Entry: 9:55PM PST Match: 10:24PM PST Pashow Marshlands: 23/06/2012 Entry: 11:50PM PST Match: 12:19AM PST Meriphataud Mountains: 23/06/2012 Entry: 01:45AM PST Match: 02:14AM PST Jugner Forest 24/06/2012 Entry: 02:43AM PST Match: 03:12AM PST Pashow Marshlands 24/06/2012 Entry 04:38AM PST Match: 05:07AM PST Meriphataud Mountains 24/06/2012 Entry: 06:33AM PST Match: 07:02AM PST Jugner Forest 25/06/2012 Entry: 07:31AM PST Match: 08:00AM PST Pashow Marshlands 25/06/2012 Entry: 09:26AM PST Match: 09:55AM PST Meriphataud Mountains 25/06/2012 Entry: 11:21AM PST Match: 11:50AM PST Please do not change job mid match -or- sign-up before 18:00 to avoid unbalanced job sorting by the herald, thanks! Please respond to this thread if possible to acknowledge your participation(or PM me) - otherwise, show up at the times listed and we'll go from there. I won't personally be able to attend every match, however the stage is set, and everyone needs to do their part~ This is the program I use regarding the official match schedule. Lakshmi.Stfutaru said: » SMN is the most depressing job to play on even with hyper if your opposing team has sleep/lullaby...Q_Q and Blood Pacts are easy to run away from if you know you're targeted. Also, PUP POV. ok how did i miss something like this http://www.tarus.info/tarucup2012.html had no idea there was a official tarutaru tournament >.>
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Shiva.Tahngarthor said: » Lakshmi.Stfutaru said: » SMN is the most depressing job to play on even with hyper if your opposing team has sleep/lullaby...Q_Q and Blood Pacts are easy to run away from if you know you're targeted. Also, PUP POV. I was mostly talking about 60CAP, but uncapped SMN is pretty OP, the merit BPs deal about 900 damage and 2hr-wise, a well-timed and sneaky Alexander is much better than Odin. Odin's animation is so slow, most people can just run away and you're left with a 1min recast on Odin again. Diabolos is not even worth mentioning, sure, he can resist sleep, but not Break which is the new annoyance; not even Titan or Garuda can resist Break. Also, Pavor Nocturnus is random, and from the many times I've used it, all it did was Dispel... In 60CAP, Tier 4 nukes deal around 350-400 damage. It's not too shabby, but the major downfall is the limited range. Buffs are annoying and expensive with everyone running around. The 2hr is great if you can land it: Quote: Alexander is much better than Odin. Odin's animation is so slow, Quote: Also, Pavor Nocturnus is random, and from the many times I've used it, all it did was Dispel... In 99 cap your primary attack is merit BPs / lunar bay / night terror if target is asleep; predator claws is strong but can be stopped by shadows. Rush can overpower shadows but Rush is garbage. Merit BPs on the other hand are reasonably strong and bypass+wipe shadows. if you're In uncapped, I actually really like PUP; a well played PUP can be pretty tough to go against alone (but dies more easily than other DDs in a team fight) Actually, since the update a while back, Odin tends to miss a lot now. And now it's a conal AOE.
I think Pavor Nocturnus is more likely to land Death if the target has minimal buffs. Night Terror and Lunar Bay are still not as damaging as a 5/5 merit BP even if the target is slept for Night Terror. Also, Predator Claws is pretty close ranged and still not as strong. With Role Reversal, PUP is sick for 1v1. In team matches, PUP is pretty versatile. I like to stack evasion, defense and -PDT myself. You'd think this when fighting against your friends in ballista
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Quote: Actually, since the update a while back, Odin tends to miss a lot now. And now it's a conal AOE. Bismarck.Zuidar said: » You'd think this when fighting against your friends in ballista lol :D So the news from VanaFest basically comfirm that they've created a new type of PvP and haven't forgotten that players like to let off some steam now and then. Player Monster as it's called for now looks like it's going to take alot of the suggestions people put out over the years and possibly shine in it's own right, but I think SE must be satisfied with Ballista as it currently stands?
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Lakshmi.Chilzen said: » So the news from VanaFest basically comfirm that they've created a new type of PvP and haven't forgotten that players like to let off some steam now and then. Player Monster as it's called for now looks like it's going to take alot of the suggestions people put out over the years and possibly shine in it's own right, but I think SE must be satisfied with Ballista as it currently stands? I do believe that they are satisfied with how Ballista stands right now, but it seems that they understand that there seems to be a lack of overall interest from the general player base. I think this new PvP will spark interest in PvP as a whole, though their proposed system seems to be more 1v1 than team battles which Ballista revolves around...
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