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 Asura.Lokimaru
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-05-22 23:10:56
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Swap it in during steps/flourishes
I do this. And I also have it in my Lunge/Head Butt set for when I'm not /dnc.
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By Sylph.Traxus 2013-05-23 00:26:38
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Swap it in during steps/flourishes

Does that actually work? I remember byrth posting about dnc JAs not applying TH somewhere.
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By Solrain 2013-05-23 01:12:45
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Sylph.Traxus said: »
Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
Swap it in during steps/flourishes

Does that actually work? I remember byrth posting about dnc JAs not applying TH somewhere.

It definitely works.
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-05-23 09:01:07
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Only tag mobs with it. Though since you have to proc them, and steps don't really benefit from any gear really, you can macro it in to those and then you won't forget to tag them.

You do not full time it. Ever.

I always have a acc set load when using steps as well as the sash: Because Step accuracy depends on the user's melee accuracy, boosting your accuracy or reducing the enemy's evasion will assist with successfully landing Steps.
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By Antonioklaus 2013-05-24 14:45:14
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Question about the nuking set. Which is actually better, http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Stoicheion_Medal or http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Eddy_Necklace
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-05-24 14:49:07
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The only thing Stoicheion has that Eddy doesn't is elemental casting time which doesn't affect blue magic and even if it did, there's better fast cast options anyway.

Eddy pwns the hell out of it... but Stoicheion is a more reasonable item to get.
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By Ophannus 2013-05-24 20:15:31
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How's Realmrazer with that 130 damage club vs Requiescat with 104 DMG sword?
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By Gimp 2013-05-25 18:10:44
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for realm/req was tjurrk's annulet considered?
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By Bahamut.Arioch 2013-05-26 09:59:27
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
This one may surprise some people, but I would not guide you astray: a club is among our best mainhand/offhand options. The base damage on this thing is monstrous, and it can be augmented the same way as Halachuinic Sword to further augment its badassery.

idk if its been mentioned but the Mondaha Cudgel cant be augmented on the same path as the sword, its A) MACC B)MAT C)MP
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By Voren 2013-05-26 10:35:02
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Bahamut.Arioch said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
This one may surprise some people, but I would not guide you astray: a club is among our best mainhand/offhand options. The base damage on this thing is monstrous, and it can be augmented the same way as Halachuinic Sword to further augment its badassery.

idk if its been mentioned but the Mondaha Cudgel cant be augmented on the same path as the sword, its A) MACC B)MAT C)MP

Would that then make it an ok offhand for BLU considering a stat aug on it should be MND as well. This would help with req mod.
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By Leviathan.Kaparu 2013-05-26 10:39:53
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BLU isn't likely to engage(or be present for, as long as we're being pragmatic) anything that requires some of the crazier accuracy levels, so personally I'd forego dropping many(or any) airlixers on the sword or club. By design, baseline delve weapons are intended to ease the transition into boss delve weapons, and beefing up your melee arsenal for things you're not going to be preferred for seems a bit counterproductive

But to each their own

And before anyone points out that BLU enfeebling/support is nifty for NMs - which is absolutely correct - mind that I speak only on behalf of the vast majority of the playerbase who would never think to involve one out of laziness, ignorance, or what have you.
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By Ophannus 2013-05-26 15:50:54
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The lax approach to enfeebling immunities allows some creative usage of BLU in Adoulin i.e Terrorizing the Oboron, sleeping NMs in Fracture etc. It's fun being able to Silence(if only for a short while with diminishing returns) caster NMs as a BLU or RDM. It's like...why couldn't jobs with enfeebling always enfeeble NMs? Very few NMs are straight up immune to piercing/slashing/blunt yet 99% of them were immune to petrify/sleep/bind/silence.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-26 16:03:57
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: »
BLU isn't likely to engage(or be present for, as long as we're being pragmatic) anything that requires some of the crazier accuracy levels, so personally I'd forego dropping many(or any) airlixers on the sword or club. By design, baseline delve weapons are intended to ease the transition into boss delve weapons, and beefing up your melee arsenal for things you're not going to be preferred for seems a bit counterproductive

But to each their own

And before anyone points out that BLU enfeebling/support is nifty for NMs - which is absolutely correct - mind that I speak only on behalf of the vast majority of the playerbase who would never think to involve one out of laziness, ignorance, or what have you.

This... haven't even bought mine yet since Almace/Camalatlia combo is still sufficient for anything you'd engage on BLU. Don't need maxed out sword and club to land Absolute Terror or Infrasonics.
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By Ragnarok.Tarusofo 2013-05-27 03:46:52
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Was helping a friend with Nerrivik (Orobon), and since I didn't need the kill I kept warping as /BLM and ES/Absolute Terror. Was actually pretty amusing to see how well it worked for them!

Also, recently got a freelotted Sanus from Provenance, along with Halachuinic. I know it's not the best combo, by far, but at the moment I don't feel like working on the Fire Shikargar for the little use I give to BLU. ._./ I guess it's okay? Can't really count on Club/Sword combo, since my merit WSes are full (also my club is underskilled!).

Anyway, meant to post originally, thanking for this guide! BLU is a really fun job that I used to diss and it's come to be one of my favorite ones and this guide is partially to blame. Thanks :3
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By Gimp 2013-05-27 07:00:00
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I think it depends on what you consider ok and what you want to work towards for an offhand a day or two skilling club for an offhand isn't so horrible. You still have other swords to work on if you want to channel your plasm elsewhere such as

Iztaasu-very easy to get augments to make it the strongest sword offhand currently and is obtained from cirdas skirmish

Calmathia- Don't have one myself and need the bayld for gear instead of the ki but I think you could potentially get the first option sooner and stronger than this

Coalition blade- If you wanted to invest the bayld into this and if you do reives a lot on blu this wouldn't be a bad choice(useless outside of it for you) although if you're soloing reives you may want sanus for the cure pot with one character it can be rather draining mp wise to sleepga the mobs, alternate between killing them and roots. I could be biased as I'm not rather good at it or I should be using /rdm instead of /war so feel free to correct me.

Bihkah sword- Pretty cheap on the ah due to the new weapons being released if you wanted a quick upgrade right now, but the money you spent on this could be invested towards a skirmish pop
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By Sylph.Hyunkyl 2013-05-30 06:57:37
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About Manibozho beret, since there are better WS options(Chocalatzi Mask being one), would it be better to turn it into the "C" path(evasion) to make it useful as one hell of evasion/TP piece that would complement other jobs(DNC/THF comes to mind) or stick with the "A" path(attack) for TP/WS?

Head] All Races
DEF:45 DEX+10 INT+10 MND+10 Accuracy+12 Evasion+12 Haste+6%
LV 99 MNK THF RNG NIN BLU COR PUP DNC RUN

"C" path: +15 evasion +10 ACC +10 AGI

"A"path: +15 attack +10 ACC +10 STR
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By Sylph.Chocobro 2013-05-30 14:29:28
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Great guide Prothescar! I've been getting into BLU lately and it has been really helpful. I am still having trouble with when I should be using physical blue spells. I have a little trouble in managing my mana in long fights and I'm wondering when's the best time to use your spells.

Also, since I don't have Chant du Cygne, is Requiescat the go-to WS or should I be using something else like Expiacion for regular mobs?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-30 14:31:03
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Should use magic sparingly and stick to Delta Thrust/Heavy Strike unless you're stacking the spell with Efflux or Chain Affinity, in which case use something stronger like Quadratic Continuum.

For WS use Requiescat
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2013-06-02 10:20:34
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I don't understand your comments on Mondaha Cudgel, it can't be augmented with any melee stats(unless you're talking about mind for Realmrazer). MAB MACC and MP paths only.
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By Bahamut.Glizdus 2013-06-04 11:57:03
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Any BLU on Bahamut willing to go with me show the routine? :)
I was on D-Xarca yesterday farming for items for stage 4 relic, and demons were kicking my *** badly because of Hecatomb Wave spam.
I was burning all my TP on Sanguine Blade, which in fact was healing me for at most 350HP. Probably because demons are dark based mobs.
Maybe the zone isn't too good.
I'm still working on optimal gear sets.
Maybe in Valkurm i would do better?
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By Cerberus.Ansime 2013-06-04 16:18:54
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Bahamut.Glizdus said: »
Any BLU on Bahamut willing to go with me show the routine? :)
I was on D-Xarca yesterday farming for items for stage 4 relic, and demons were kicking my *** badly because of Hecatomb Wave spam.
I was burning all my TP on Sanguine Blade, which in fact was healing me for at most 350HP. Probably because demons are dark based mobs.
Maybe the zone isn't too good.
I'm still working on optimal gear sets.
Maybe in Valkurm i would do better?

It's pretty simple really, especially if you're currency farming. Using that spell set proth posted is pretty perfect, I always start out with a sudden lunge and use dream flower on any demons that are close. Then I work to proc the one I have, and just keep sudden lunge up. If you need hp, use regeneration and make sure you're keeping animating wail and battery charge up.

My favorite area to camp is G-10, alternating the rangers, thief's, and ninjas in those hallways. There's 9 mobs, and if you're alone you're killing nonstop without alot of downtime. Obviously you should be subbing dnc, and you should only be using tp for waltzes, sambas, and killing it quick with CDC when it's at high hp if you've procced it.

The guide covers what to do really well in that last paragraph in the dynamis section. The mob should pretty much be stunned or procced the whole fight, and just pop a dream flower to sleep any adds.

Edit: This is in Dynamis - Xarc of course, only zone I farm for the most part. Not as much running around, but if there's even one more person n that camp farming can be a difficult competition.
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By Bahamut.Glizdus 2013-06-04 17:28:20
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I just finished D-Valkurm.
That was the first and last time I was on BLU ;D
All this juggling between sudden, steps and flourish is not for me.
I was missing with sudden often.
I have no damn idea how You manage to pull 260 coins on BLU.
I thought that I was killing pretty fast, but ended up with 140 coins.
I was getting hit so often, that I had to use Sanguine Blade to heal myself instead of using CDC to kill a mob quickly.
I have to admit, I don't have Regeneration learned, but is it making a big diffference?
And I was trying hard to keep mob stunned, but some hits ware missing.
It will take a long time, before I even think to try it again on BLU.
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-06-04 17:29:50
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Regeneration is a big help, but so is a decent hybrid evasion set. You shouldn't be getting hit very often.

Also look into adjusting your accuracy if you're missing a lot of Lunges.
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By Odin.Cyprias 2013-06-04 17:53:31
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That's too bad. BLU in dyna is a lot of fun when done properly.
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By Ragnarok.Tarusofo 2013-06-04 18:24:37
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Gimp said: »
I think it depends on what you consider ok and what you want to work towards for an offhand a day or two skilling club for an offhand isn't so horrible. You still have other swords to work on if you want to channel your plasm elsewhere such as

Iztaasu-very easy to get augments to make it the strongest sword offhand currently and is obtained from cirdas skirmish

Calmathia- Don't have one myself and need the bayld for gear instead of the ki but I think you could potentially get the first option sooner and stronger than this

Coalition blade- If you wanted to invest the bayld into this and if you do reives a lot on blu this wouldn't be a bad choice(useless outside of it for you) although if you're soloing reives you may want sanus for the cure pot with one character it can be rather draining mp wise to sleepga the mobs, alternate between killing them and roots. I could be biased as I'm not rather good at it or I should be using /rdm instead of /war so feel free to correct me.

Bihkah sword- Pretty cheap on the ah due to the new weapons being released if you wanted a quick upgrade right now, but the money you spent on this could be invested towards a skirmish pop

Gah, so sorry. Forgot I had written here and didn't check for answers, my bad!

I think if anything I'll work on the Skirmish weapon, see how it works from there. Thing is, I do usually use BLU in low-man/solo and I'm kind of fond of Sanus' cure potency, but now that I got a bit of better gear for BLU I might broaden it up to other branches and for that I think I'll work on the skirmish weapon.

Thanks for the input, and sorry for not replying sooner!
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By Bahamut.Glizdus 2013-06-05 01:02:03
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Odin.Cyprias said: »
That's too bad. BLU in dyna is a lot of fun when done properly.

Yes, it was.
I had also a problem with TE.
Once I linked like 6 mobs on Quadav camp trying to kill 10min xD
Rest of them I one-shoted with CA+Efflux+Heavy Strike. But they were standing away from the rest of the mobs.
What should I do if it will be surrounded?
Should I wait for it to move?
On BST I just aggro and kill and I don't care about links xD

But beside that, I have no idea how it's possible to pull 260 coins.
I had a feeling, that I'm killing pretty fast.
I often had to turn from the mob because I couldn't land a proc.

Got a question also.
What should I do if the JA procing time runs out?
Should I stay on the camp and try to proc with magic?
I'm farming Bronzepiece for last stage.
I had few procs on mobs, but is it worth it?
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2013-06-05 01:18:49
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As for TEs, just make sure mobs are'nt watching, as killing them as BLU is really quick.
CA/efflux + spell = dead TE, then quick sneak/invis macro!
Worst case if you aggro, you just sleepga them, run and do the same thing at other spots, then let them kill you after you're done, if they're still on you.
If it's just a few adds left you can easily get rid of them.

Also, I never tried this, but I've heard grude/dark orb can 1shot TEs too with proper gear(I never had room for mab gear into dyna), and those have some range too them!
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By Asura.Lokimaru 2013-06-05 01:24:31
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I want to add that you shouldn't need to use both CA and Efflux for any one spell at the same time. CA Heavy Strike and Efflux Heavy Strike both reliably oneshot TE mobs (when it doesn't miss)
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By Alpheus 2013-06-05 01:25:56
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To your question about magic proc'ing: it's almost never worth it. Best scenario is if you have a BRD spamming threnodies but even then it's just awful.
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By Bahamut.Glizdus 2013-06-05 02:04:51
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Ok, thank you guys for the input.
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