The Beast Within -- A Guide To Blue Mage
The Beast Within -- A Guide to Blue Mage
Rather than burning nq stones, I would advise, for someone who wants to start small, getting af1 head and weatherspoon feet +1 (or manabyss feet from AA HM since hardly anyone chooses them for lot and is a direct upgrade), then starting with +1 stones on hands, then body. +1 stone price isn't that bad and afaik, it has much better chance to give additional augment. If one gets lucky with nilas gloves and vanir body though, I wouldn't even worry about augmenting those slots that bad and would just take it slow.
Asura.Vinedrius said: »
Rather than burning nq stones, I would advise, for someone who wants to start small, getting af1 head and weatherspoon feet +1 (or manabyss feet from AA HM since hardly anyone chooses them for lot and is a direct upgrade), then starting with +1 stones on hands, then body. +1 stone price isn't that bad and afaik, it has much better chance to give additional augment. If one gets lucky with nilas gloves and vanir body though, I wouldn't even worry about augmenting those slots that bad and would just take it slow.
If some one is opting for nq vs +1 stones doubt they have the ability to tackle any D bcnms and unless they have luck not going to get much from normal without spamming. Now they may spam for chptrs, but again if able to reforge and upgrade +1 stones are not a big deal.
Time investment vs Gil +1 stones will net greater savings. Unless of course you break mirrors and piss off gypsies for a living.
Side note for some one in the NQ stones due to cost rut. Skirmish are easier to do than D level BCs and much more profitable. Spamm to get nq then burn Outer Raz. Will get u best bang for your buck/time.
Hi.
Im gearing my blu for dd against morta, was wondering what spreadsheet says about the combo buramenkah/xiuxelato vs buramenkah or xiuxelato with tp bonus 1000 sword.
Morta has resistance against crit hits, so cdc seems a no go. I was planning using savage blade as main ws. With tp bonus sword, moonshade and atmacite for tp bonus, its like wsing savage blade at 2750 every 1000 tp at the cost of a extremelly weak offhand.
Currently pretty pissed doing those stupid trials, so wondering if this can turn in a bad idea.
Thanks in advance.
Im gearing my blu for dd against morta, was wondering what spreadsheet says about the combo buramenkah/xiuxelato vs buramenkah or xiuxelato with tp bonus 1000 sword.
Morta has resistance against crit hits, so cdc seems a no go. I was planning using savage blade as main ws. With tp bonus sword, moonshade and atmacite for tp bonus, its like wsing savage blade at 2750 every 1000 tp at the cost of a extremelly weak offhand.
Currently pretty pissed doing those stupid trials, so wondering if this can turn in a bad idea.
Thanks in advance.
I really don't think you need to be worrying about building an entirely new sword solely to use on old Voidwatch content. That seems like a massively disproportionate effort to reward ratio.
Sylph.Oraen said: »
I really don't think you need to be worrying about building an entirely new sword solely to use on old Voidwatch content. That seems like a massively disproportionate effort to reward ratio.
I will be trying to farm my cinders for harp with mules, so lowmaning. The stronger i can get, more efficient it will be.
Savage is rudra like ws, tp bonus of 1750 is almost multiplying for 3 savage blade, but offhand becomes dead.
Believe it or not, CDC does pretty well against Morta and Expiacion when attack is sufficiently high does as well. With a decent group, you won't find yourself lacking for damage, and the extra would be a waste of time as mentioned.
After spending a lot of time improving my DNC and THF as of late, I've been wondering why Atoyac is such a core part of their setups, even for endgame content, yet BLU doesn't really use Xiutleato. Anybody know why that would be? I'm happy with my Uson/Bura combo, but I'm simply curious.
Sylph.Oraen said: »
After spending a lot of time improving my DNC and THF as of late, I've been wondering why Atoyac is such a core part of their setups, even for endgame content, yet BLU doesn't really use Xiutleato. Anybody know why that would be? I'm happy with my Uson/Bura combo, but I'm simply curious.
Been quite curious as to this as well. Most of the guides for a lot of jobs don't recognize/recommend the Oa2 WKR weapons. I can understand the 2H jobs more, seeing as it is quite a big hit to acc with the lack of skill on them. Are the losses on them just not worth the 40% (iirc) double attack? I'm sure someone/people have done extensive testing on it to prove me wrong, but I would think that especially on jobs lacking a lot of DA to begin with, the Oa2 would bring them farther ahead.
Oat happens after all the other multi-hit checks and blu already has so much, the relative increase compared to the stats on other swords is minimal. Xiu is still a great offhand for fodder and things like Dyna, though.
Alright, thanks. That's been in the back of my head for a while.
Odin.Jassik said: »
Oat happens after all the other multi-hit checks and blu already has so much, the relative increase compared to the stats on other swords is minimal. Xiu is still a great offhand for fodder and things like Dyna, though.
THF/WAR has slightly more multi-attack than BLU/WAR in typical gears, so that argument doesn't make much sense.
Sylph.Traxus said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Oat happens after all the other multi-hit checks and blu already has so much, the relative increase compared to the stats on other swords is minimal. Xiu is still a great offhand for fodder and things like Dyna, though.
THF/WAR has slightly more multi-attack than BLU/WAR in typical gears, so that argument doesn't make much sense.
Set for set, I count THF having slightly less, but, like I said, Xiu is great for fodder.
Odin.Jassik said: »
Sylph.Traxus said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Oat happens after all the other multi-hit checks and blu already has so much, the relative increase compared to the stats on other swords is minimal. Xiu is still a great offhand for fodder and things like Dyna, though.
THF/WAR has slightly more multi-attack than BLU/WAR in typical gears, so that argument doesn't make much sense.
Set for set, I count THF having slightly less, but, like I said, Xiu is great for fodder.
Need to see gear, spells set, targets but xiu has its place. I see a tizona blu running around with it in his off (lil taru dude) just never cared enough to ask him why, maybe next time I will.
Nazrious said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Sylph.Traxus said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Oat happens after all the other multi-hit checks and blu already has so much, the relative increase compared to the stats on other swords is minimal. Xiu is still a great offhand for fodder and things like Dyna, though.
THF/WAR has slightly more multi-attack than BLU/WAR in typical gears, so that argument doesn't make much sense.
Set for set, I count THF having slightly less, but, like I said, Xiu is great for fodder.
Need to see gear, spells set, targets but xiu has its place. I see a tizona blu running around with it in his off (lil taru dude) just never cared enough to ask him why, maybe next time I will.
Having a Tizona doesn't make you a good BLU, but yeah.
Odin.Jassik said: »
Nazrious said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Sylph.Traxus said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Oat happens after all the other multi-hit checks and blu already has so much, the relative increase compared to the stats on other swords is minimal. Xiu is still a great offhand for fodder and things like Dyna, though.
THF/WAR has slightly more multi-attack than BLU/WAR in typical gears, so that argument doesn't make much sense.
Set for set, I count THF having slightly less, but, like I said, Xiu is great for fodder.
Need to see gear, spells set, targets but xiu has its place. I see a tizona blu running around with it in his off (lil taru dude) just never cared enough to ask him why, maybe next time I will.
Having a Tizona doesn't make you a good BLU, but yeah.
Well yeah, but unless I ask him I won't know. He might just like the set for town idle. But if he says something like he doesn't have bura or uson or some such, then there u go.
Not sure of the tp rate vs other options with tizona main and its not like Blu is 100% mult/oat every round, even with tizona. Just have to see and test.
Nazrious said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Nazrious said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Sylph.Traxus said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Oat happens after all the other multi-hit checks and blu already has so much, the relative increase compared to the stats on other swords is minimal. Xiu is still a great offhand for fodder and things like Dyna, though.
THF/WAR has slightly more multi-attack than BLU/WAR in typical gears, so that argument doesn't make much sense.
Set for set, I count THF having slightly less, but, like I said, Xiu is great for fodder.
Need to see gear, spells set, targets but xiu has its place. I see a tizona blu running around with it in his off (lil taru dude) just never cared enough to ask him why, maybe next time I will.
Having a Tizona doesn't make you a good BLU, but yeah.
Well yeah, but unless I ask him I won't know. He might just like the set for town idle. But if he says something like he doesn't have bura or uson or some such, then there u go.
Not sure of the tp rate vs other options with tizona main and its not like Blu is 100% mult/oat every round, even with tizona. Just have to see and test.
Well, it would seem that it offers more gain to Tizona than most mainhand weapons because it will not proc over AM3 like other mutli-attack and AM3 doesn't affect offhand.
Just an idea to add to OP, maybe put /BLU benefits and spell lists on there? Seems RUN/PLD go /BLU semi frequently. Cocoon, metallic body, sheep song, mp drainkiss? Blood drain? Doesn't look like most guides here have a 'using this as a sub' category and might be kinda neat/useful/unique if it got added.
mortontony1 said: »
Just an idea to add to OP, maybe put /BLU benefits and spell lists on there? Seems RUN/PLD go /BLU semi frequently. Cocoon, metallic body, sheep song, mp drainkiss? Blood drain? Doesn't look like most guides here have a 'using this as a sub' category and might be kinda neat/useful/unique if it got added.
All those spells except cocoon is dependent on blue skill for potency or accuracy or both and so pretty much useless from sub for anything that matters. You should also consider the very high rate of interruption with so low skill while casting those spells from sub.
Sheep Song (as a sub) is used for the multi-target enmity, not the sleep.
Siren.Kyte said: »
Sheep Song (as a sub) is used for the multi-target enmity, not the sleep.
If you want multi target enmity, you will already have hate from them anyway and there is jettatura for enmity. Tbh, I don't how if sheep song enmity is more than enough though. If yes sure, why not. It has half the recast of jettatura. But jettatura is also much less likely to be interrupted.
edit: derp nvm, forgot it was a fan shaped move, so not as practical as sheep song.
mortontony1 said: »
Sylph.Oraen said: »
After spending a lot of time improving my DNC and THF as of late, I've been wondering why Atoyac is such a core part of their setups, even for endgame content, yet BLU doesn't really use Xiutleato. Anybody know why that would be? I'm happy with my Uson/Bura combo, but I'm simply curious.
Been quite curious as to this as well. Most of the guides for a lot of jobs don't recognize/recommend the Oa2 WKR weapons. I can understand the 2H jobs more, seeing as it is quite a big hit to acc with the lack of skill on them. Are the losses on them just not worth the 40% (iirc) double attack? I'm sure someone/people have done extensive testing on it to prove me wrong, but I would think that especially on jobs lacking a lot of DA to begin with, the Oa2 would bring them farther ahead.
DNC has better overall acc than BLU, so offhanding atoyac is less detrimental than Xiu in that respect. Additionally the +dex on atoyac helps for Rudra (and acc) than +Str does for CDC. That being said, when acc isnt an issue Xiu is a viable offhand choice.
Asura.Vinedrius said: »
Siren.Kyte said: »
Sheep Song (as a sub) is used for the multi-target enmity, not the sleep.
If you want multi target enmity, you will already have hate from them anyway and there is jettatura for enmity. Tbh, I don't how if sheep song enmity is more than enough though. If yes sure, why not. It has half the recast of jettatura. But jettatura is also much less likely to be interrupted.
edit: derp nvm, forgot it was a fan shaped move, so not as practical as sheep song.
You also have to keep in mind that the two aren't mutually exclusive. If I wanted to build enmity on multiple targets on PLD (or maybe RUN- but multitarget tanking isn't exactly that job's forte) and not simply super tank, I'd build enmity with Sheep Song, Soporific, and Jettatura. RUN's less likely to be used on something with multiple targets and I'd keep to mostly just Flash, Jettatura, and Foil if /BLU.
So does the new subligar win over iuitl+1 with 2DA? Can get like 3TA and 5DA on them but -4stp. Maybe make it up with tripudio/suppa?
Asura.Highwynn said: »
subligar>pants?
Subligars are never the answer.
3Ta and 5 Da could be pretty sweet. Could offset the loss of stp by swapping brutal to tripudio.
I don't know, but losing a combined total of 10 STP is pretty huge. Multiattack is great, but RNG-based, whereas you always have that STP. Until somebody far smarter than me does the math, I'm sticking with Iuitl.
Plus, it's a subligar, so {No thanks}.
Plus, it's a subligar, so {No thanks}.
mortontony1 said: »
Just an idea to add to OP, maybe put /BLU benefits and spell lists on there? Seems RUN/PLD go /BLU semi frequently. Cocoon, metallic body, sheep song, mp drainkiss? Blood drain? Doesn't look like most guides here have a 'using this as a sub' category and might be kinda neat/useful/unique if it got added.
For a PLD, Cocoon of course adds a great deal of Defense that isn't dependant on skill. Jettatura and Blank gaze spamming also grants a good deal of enmity and it doesn't matter if the spells get resisted either. I find /BLU has replaced /WAR in most situations where a PLD would be needed.
Subligar is NP, i lockstyle in mavi set anyway
Asura.Highwynn said: »
Subligar is NP, i lockstyle in mavi set anyway
what do you mean by NP?
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