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Empy V. Relic Dilemma
Empy v. Relic Dilemma
I'll never get the fascination with adding DA/TA to a mostly naked subpar DD, but that's just me. I've just never seen anything impressive from pet damage.
Both have there advantages. I flew to my 90 empys. But crawling now to 95. Going to be poor for a long time. Pick your weapon and enjoy it.
I'm personally a greatsword collector in FFXI for the simple fact that Great Swords are cool. I have several greatswords in my collection, including a 90 Caladbolg, and a 95 Ragnarok. I didn't get the Ragnarok for the bandwagon mentality, i got it because i always wanted one. There are many times, on different enemies, where one does better than the other.
If you are somehow still on the fence, I would suggest getting both Verethragna and Spharai, to do your own comparisons, and having fun with both weapons. If you are in a bit of a confused state, but want a weapon that you can have fun with, or a weapon you can have fun making, I would really go with the weapon you'll have fun making and have fun using.
But that's just my 2 gil.
If you are somehow still on the fence, I would suggest getting both Verethragna and Spharai, to do your own comparisons, and having fun with both weapons. If you are in a bit of a confused state, but want a weapon that you can have fun with, or a weapon you can have fun making, I would really go with the weapon you'll have fun making and have fun using.
But that's just my 2 gil.
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Yeah; by no means saying everyone doing Ragnarok is bandwagon here. I know several people who are dedeicated to dark knight/warrior/paladin and are just trying to make all the weapons for the job/etc. I'm sure I've been lumped into the samurai bandwagon by at least a few people just because of Amano.
Just so many people hopping on the Resoulation spam train is kinda "Ugh."
To me.
Oh believe me, as good as Resolution is, I really do love to use Torcleaver because of it's animation, and it's skillchain versatility. As far as Great Sword weapon skills go, I'd say Torcleaver is probably the best in it's overall use and chain properties, since i've yet to see any of the merited weapon skills perform double level 3 skillchains.
Quote above is an example of those moments when you want to get back the time you spent reading it.
Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
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Quote above is an example of those moments when you want to get back the time you spent reading it.
Agreed.
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Yeah; by no means saying everyone doing Ragnarok is bandwagon here. I know several people who are dedeicated to dark knight/warrior/paladin and are just trying to make all the weapons for the job/etc. I'm sure I've been lumped into the samurai bandwagon by at least a few people just because of Amano.
Just so many people hopping on the Resoulation spam train is kinda "Ugh."
To me.
I won't continue to have this discussion with Dawn, because, well, it's Dawn, but this is a most disappointing sentiment from you. I'd really like to hear your reasoning for your distaste for people who enjoy job roles more than jobs. I know you're capable of being reasonable. I implore you to take a moment to consider how silly your sweeping judgement is.
Bismarck.Zagarikano said: »
I love reading post like this.
Guttler is NOWHERE near the best axe for BST. It does NOTHING your goddamn pet. Your pet should be geared up before the master anyway. Mythic adds Attack bonus to pet ONE, It adds double and triple attack to pet TWO, and it enhances sic and ready THREE. It also gives the master double and triple attack. Guttler doesn't do any of that for pet. Aymur blows guttler out the water by a very long distance. You can even aftermath on an antlion while your pet does the work on tiamat. So saying that the bst can't always melee for aftermath is silly. Aftermath lasts 4 mins now at 99.
Back to spahrai. I love how every Spharai owner jumps that bandwagon. I think the weapon personally sucks from all the people I seen use it. Victory Smite and Ukkos fury got nerfed but lets not kid ourselves, they still rock your ***all day long.
I have Shinjin Spiral at level 5 and I used dex build and that weapon is a huge peice of ***inside of VW, abyssea and regular non-temp item areas when Impetus is down. I average 3k+ on Victory on anything ranging from Easy Prey mobs, to Arch dynamis lords and Ig Alimas, To basically anything in the game. I never see Shinjin go that High ever. Smite works wonder when you sub /warrior and it is a little gimp when you have a shitty subjob of course. Some Vere mnks need to stop subbing ninja or dnc and complaining about VS numbers. Victory Smite thrashes Shinjin and final heaven by a large margin.
There is Asc. Fury though that can tie or beat Victory smite in VW,abyssea areas for Spharai users and those Spharai users can possibly tie or beat vere. Otherwise regular areas, Asc. Fury sucks badly. Vere mnks can counter too and they can even keep hate off anyone which = more counters. With melee gaiters +2 and counter gear and perfect counter (100%), Vere can counter also and maybe more frequently then the gimp spharai MNK that can't even pull hate. Alot of mobs are AOE attacks and cannot counter anyways. I'm sorry But I seen good Vere mnks like Nobunaga and myself and even at 85 vere it's thrashing 95 Spharai which is sad considering what my 99 vere will do them soon enough.
Wall of text done. And Sup ramyrez :)
Guttler is NOWHERE near the best axe for BST. It does NOTHING your goddamn pet. Your pet should be geared up before the master anyway. Mythic adds Attack bonus to pet ONE, It adds double and triple attack to pet TWO, and it enhances sic and ready THREE. It also gives the master double and triple attack. Guttler doesn't do any of that for pet. Aymur blows guttler out the water by a very long distance. You can even aftermath on an antlion while your pet does the work on tiamat. So saying that the bst can't always melee for aftermath is silly. Aftermath lasts 4 mins now at 99.
Back to spahrai. I love how every Spharai owner jumps that bandwagon. I think the weapon personally sucks from all the people I seen use it. Victory Smite and Ukkos fury got nerfed but lets not kid ourselves, they still rock your ***all day long.
I have Shinjin Spiral at level 5 and I used dex build and that weapon is a huge peice of ***inside of VW, abyssea and regular non-temp item areas when Impetus is down. I average 3k+ on Victory on anything ranging from Easy Prey mobs, to Arch dynamis lords and Ig Alimas, To basically anything in the game. I never see Shinjin go that High ever. Smite works wonder when you sub /warrior and it is a little gimp when you have a shitty subjob of course. Some Vere mnks need to stop subbing ninja or dnc and complaining about VS numbers. Victory Smite thrashes Shinjin and final heaven by a large margin.
There is Asc. Fury though that can tie or beat Victory smite in VW,abyssea areas for Spharai users and those Spharai users can possibly tie or beat vere. Otherwise regular areas, Asc. Fury sucks badly. Vere mnks can counter too and they can even keep hate off anyone which = more counters. With melee gaiters +2 and counter gear and perfect counter (100%), Vere can counter also and maybe more frequently then the gimp spharai MNK that can't even pull hate. Alot of mobs are AOE attacks and cannot counter anyways. I'm sorry But I seen good Vere mnks like Nobunaga and myself and even at 85 vere it's thrashing 95 Spharai which is sad considering what my 99 vere will do them soon enough.
Wall of text done. And Sup ramyrez :)
Cerberus.Deadplaything said: »
My suggestion to you is not ask for the advice from anyone on this thread, it is full of people who spend their time posting on the site, and not actually playing. Take a look at their profiles before they fill you full of crap. I hope you find the answers you are looking for on your own.
^ this and only this.
I would also add how they have double standard:
1) when you get what you should, they claim you abused of everyone.
2) when you don't have what you should, you are a looser.
In fact, no matter what is the case, is a waste of time, but funny to read huh?
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Cerberus.Deadplaything said: »
My suggestion to you is not ask for the advice from anyone on this thread, it is full of people who spend their time posting on the site, and not actually playing. Take a look at their profiles before they fill you full of crap. I hope you find the answers you are looking for on your own.
I second, and to add an additional point, whatever the best setup is now (offensive or defensive, dps or utility), you must also consider that the game is ever changing and by the time you finish such the lengthy journey of building whatever weapon you want, the game will have new elements that will have entirely new optimal party/group configurations. Whatever weapon might produce the best success rate today for voidwatch might not be so for the limbus/salvage renewal coming in a few more updates.
The elite-weapons are (with only a few obvious exceptions) all great weapons to enhance your game-play.
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Quetzalcoatl.Vodkaa said: »
You're wrong there are situations/events were 99 Vere will beat 99 Spharai and vice versa.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
This thread went full retard astonishingly fast.
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Fupafighters said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Vodkaa said: »
You're wrong there are situations/events were 99 Vere will beat 99 Spharai and vice versa.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Cerberus.Deadplaything said: »
My suggestion to you is not ask for the advice from anyone on this thread, it is full of people who spend their time posting on the site, and not actually playing. Take a look at their profiles before they fill you full of crap. I hope you find the answers you are looking for on your own.
I second, and to add an additional point, whatever the best setup is now (offensive or defensive, dps or utility), you must also consider that the game is ever changing and by the time you finish such the lengthy journey of building whatever weapon you want, the game will have new elements that will have entirely new optimal party/group configurations. Whatever weapon might produce the best success rate today for voidwatch might not be so for the limbus/salvage renewal coming in a few more updates.
The elite-weapons are (with only a few obvious exceptions) all great weapons to enhance your game-play.
This made me want to encourage everyone on the forums to advise Fuujin not to listen to anyone on the forums.
I'm not suggesting anything though, and anyway, you shouldn't listen to people on the forums. :)
I've backread this thread carefully.
I wish I didn't.
I wish I didn't.
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Well it's just stuff like ffxi calculator and parser usually are lies lol. Only situations that don't seem to lie are CAPPED ATTACK situations lol. It's so annoiying when people try to say this is better "if". We wanna know what's better OVERALL. My opinion, Mandau > twash, Masa > amano, verethregna > spharai, OVERALL.
Fupafighters said: »
Well it's just stuff like ffxi calculator and parser usually are lies lol. Only situations that don't seem to lie are CAPPED ATTACK situations lol. It's so annoiying when people try to say this is better "if". We wanna know what's better OVERALL. My opinion, Mandau > twash, Masa > amano, verethregna > spharai, OVERALL.
As far as overall, well there isn't an overall better thing in this game.
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Phoenix.Fuujin said: »
Hello.
First I want to apologize for possibly putting this in the wrong thread, the topic spans a variety of classes, so I wasn't sure whether to put this into one specific job or the other.
Here's what's going down. I took a 2 year break and came back in January (wow the game has changed a lot). I got a Twashtar, in which I'm pretty disappointed. I have a variety of jobs that I play. I solo dynamis every day, because I've been building currency to make a Spharai.
However I've come to discover that Spharai isn't as good as Verethragna and now I'm at a bit of a loss as to what relic I should build.
If I narrow down to what my "main" jobs are (or the jobs I'd like to pimp out someday), I come up with
WHM
MNK/SAM
THF/DNC
DRG/BST (sorta; I like them both as much)
NIN (very bottom of the list lol)
First I want to apologize for possibly putting this in the wrong thread, the topic spans a variety of classes, so I wasn't sure whether to put this into one specific job or the other.
Here's what's going down. I took a 2 year break and came back in January (wow the game has changed a lot). I got a Twashtar, in which I'm pretty disappointed. I have a variety of jobs that I play. I solo dynamis every day, because I've been building currency to make a Spharai.
However I've come to discover that Spharai isn't as good as Verethragna and now I'm at a bit of a loss as to what relic I should build.
If I narrow down to what my "main" jobs are (or the jobs I'd like to pimp out someday), I come up with
WHM
MNK/SAM
THF/DNC
DRG/BST (sorta; I like them both as much)
NIN (very bottom of the list lol)
It's a video game, don't forget that and if you love whm as much as you've mentioned, go for it. vere monk and tp bonus GK will be adequate when you want to cleanly dd anyway so thor it up : p Don't waste time with Gambanteinn like kali jinjo and I did
Get yourself a Yagrush. WHM4Life.
Fupafighters said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Vodkaa said: »
You're wrong there are situations/events were 99 Vere will beat 99 Spharai and vice versa.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
This is why no one credible wants to do neo-nyzul with you, among other things. Just avoid posting.
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Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
I've backread this thread carefully.
I wish I didn't.
I wish I didn't.
I made it to the end of this page and gave up, people with no relics or empy's are posting what people should spend their time on, when they won't spend their own time on it. Get off your test server high horses and leave the posting to people who like the jobs enough to spend real time creating these weapons.
Fenrir.Ilax said: »
Cerberus.Deadplaything said: »
My suggestion to you is not ask for the advice from anyone on this thread, it is full of people who spend their time posting on the site, and not actually playing. Take a look at their profiles before they fill you full of crap. I hope you find the answers you are looking for on your own.
^ this and only this.
I would also add how they have double standard:
1) when you get what you should, they claim you abused of everyone.
2) when you don't have what you should, you are a looser.
In fact, no matter what is the case, is a waste of time, but funny to read huh?
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Cerberus.Deadplaything said: »
My suggestion to you is not ask for the advice from anyone on this thread, it is full of people who spend their time posting on the site, and not actually playing. Take a look at their profiles before they fill you full of crap. I hope you find the answers you are looking for on your own.
I second, and to add an additional point, whatever the best setup is now (offensive or defensive, dps or utility), you must also consider that the game is ever changing and by the time you finish such the lengthy journey of building whatever weapon you want, the game will have new elements that will have entirely new optimal party/group configurations. Whatever weapon might produce the best success rate today for voidwatch might not be so for the limbus/salvage renewal coming in a few more updates.
The elite-weapons are (with only a few obvious exceptions) all great weapons to enhance your game-play.
Fupafighters said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Vodkaa said: »
You're wrong there are situations/events were 99 Vere will beat 99 Spharai and vice versa.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
Fenrir.Terminus said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Cerberus.Deadplaything said: »
My suggestion to you is not ask for the advice from anyone on this thread, it is full of people who spend their time posting on the site, and not actually playing. Take a look at their profiles before they fill you full of crap. I hope you find the answers you are looking for on your own.
I second, and to add an additional point, whatever the best setup is now (offensive or defensive, dps or utility), you must also consider that the game is ever changing and by the time you finish such the lengthy journey of building whatever weapon you want, the game will have new elements that will have entirely new optimal party/group configurations. Whatever weapon might produce the best success rate today for voidwatch might not be so for the limbus/salvage renewal coming in a few more updates.
The elite-weapons are (with only a few obvious exceptions) all great weapons to enhance your game-play.
This made me want to encourage everyone on the forums to advise Fuujin not to listen to anyone on the forums.
I'm not suggesting anything though, and anyway, you shouldn't listen to people on the forums. :)
What game are you people playing and what the *** are you smoking?
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Siren.Fattynoob said: »
Fupafighters said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Vodkaa said: »
You're wrong there are situations/events were 99 Vere will beat 99 Spharai and vice versa.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
Motenten and others have posted the maths for this, if you claim Vere beats Spharai all the time go ahead and prove it.
This is why no one credible wants to do neo-nyzul with you, among other things. Just avoid posting.
No ***, that's what I was saying.
Cerberus.Aeil said: »
Phoenix.Sehachan said: »
I've backread this thread carefully.
I wish I didn't.
I wish I didn't.
I made it to the end of this page and gave up, people with no relics or empy's are posting what people should spend their time on, when they won't spend their own time on it. Get off your test server high horses and leave the posting to people who like the jobs enough to spend real time creating these weapons.
It isn't a popularity contest. It's claiming that math is useless in a game of numbers.
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Can we just close this thread?
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