US Soldier Kills 16 - Where Should He Face Trial?

I would only be ok with capitol punishment for a few circumstances.

Lie detector tests are hard to flub. also even if he does plead insanity im sure he would get life in prison with psych help or live the rest of his life in a institution. or i would hope. I'm really not 100% on what the possible outcomes are.

I am only in favor of it for extremely air tight cases, such as a confession. Even then it would have to be for something truly awful like has been said by others. Murder/rape cases, and especially when it involves children.

Get him his $10 worth of rope from home depot. Tell me that is less cost effective than life in prison XD

Stop bringing emotions into it.

I'm someone who believes that certain crimes should be rewarded with the death penalty - specifically open and shut cases where there is no shadow of doubt - but emotion shouldn't rule over punishments because by that standard if you accidentally ran over a child with your car we'd be executing you.

My child is dead and so you too should offer up your life. Makes sense right? My emotions demand blood.

exactly "Air tight" but a confession isn't "Air tight" im sure any rich guy can pay some poor *** a ***ton of money to confess to a murder. (Guy would do it for his kids)

There are even cases now where people do that. confess to murders or crimes they didn't commit so their family can get money.

A confession is only half the battle. you still need the evidence that proves that they were the actual killer.

It is sad we are having this conversastion. Wish our species was not so preditory!!

That is an apples, and oranges comparison. Running a kid over by accident, and murdering/raping have nothing in common.

Don't give this guy the death penalty.We are in severe need of energy.Give him a stationary bike hooked up to a generator and a bottle of water and tell him to get to work.

Make him pedal his little heart out each day for the next 60 years.We should do this with all death row inmates.

Except in both cases the immediate emotion is to destroy the person responsible for the action.

You brought up a situation where someone would react emotionally if their kin was killed by an *** to counter the argument that anti-DP folk just haven't been in the situation and I am simply illuminating that if we always acted on instinct that ***would go wrong in a hurry.

Do you really think that at the point of realization a parent would care if their kid being run over was an accident or not? They'd want emotional justice and that means someone must die.

guaranteed multiple appeals costs more than life in prison
and if you say remove those appeals let me remind you that people on death row have been exonerated before.

Thats why it is up to a judge and jury.

The difference in those two situations is that the driver of the car would not be writing, and signing a confession that they purposefully ran over a child.

Where as this soldier wrote a confession saying he murdered 16 unarmed civilians 9 of which were children, and 3 women. That is not even counting the ones he wounded, and lived.

It is easy to sit there, and voice an opinion about being anti DP when you are not emotionally involved. However most people that have that viewpoint would change their tune 9 times out of 10 if it was their child who was killed, and they read that confession.

I think someone's viewpoint regarding capital punish is in relation to a lot of factors. Not just emotional fury. Religion does come into play. Catholics and Christians arnt supposed to support the dp, at least according to their respected church/s.

I was raised Catholic, catechism, communion the whole 9yards. I'm certainly not devote as a grown man now. I havnt done confession since lolz and I'm fairly liberal now. BUT the whole value of life is a concept that did stick with me.

Thing is its hard to decide who should get punished i'm sure the system isn't perfect and i'm sure there's innocent people who have gotten thrown in jail or even death sentence so yeah life is a horrible mmo with a horrible RNG but less horrible than FFXI RNG there should exist a place where we make put criminals in and make them fight like the old gladiator's oh wait its called jail now in days my bad

I just hope out of all of this there's big waves in the form of the US GTFO-ing. We've got a war in Iran to start, dammit.

Didn't see if this was mentioned, but there was updates on the report,(Doubt it may change something, but an update nonetheless):
Apparently an expert believes he may have gone berserk, they also cited a reported 2010 diagnosis of traumatic brain injury.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/afghanistan-killing-us-soldier_n_1339775.html?icid=maing-grid7|aim|dl1|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D142969


Hmm, I wonder how much that may help, if at all @.@

May have gone berserk is funny. Who is said expert working for? or just reading testimony statements and making half *ssed conclusions?

Also reports of traumatic brain injury seems false short of the man being a generals son or some big wig in Washington and even then would need some serious pull power. Army which I served in, discharged people without care for almost anything that wasn't very short term care and recoup. With of course the option to rebuke on your own but still with your DD214's in hand.

Not that anyone didn't see this coming I am sure the DA/defense will pull this mans entire past up trying to make a case for or against his actions of said events that took place.

Normal people don't just go on killing rampages. So honestly a psychiatrist coming forward and saying this is not surprising.

The reason he's saying "may have gone berserk" versus "gone berserk." Is because he's a psychiatrist and not a psychologist. Psychiatrists, are physicians, and held to higher standards thereby they have legal responsibility in the diagnosis and treatment of a patient. Patient-Physician Relationship Issues

Taking someone's emotional opinion at an extremely emotionally traumatic time does not change whether something is right or wrong.

/shrug

Yeah, you know what, you may want to kill someone in vengeance. You may want to use death penalties for it, but that doesn't change if it's right or wrong.

/brofist

I take offense to this ma'am.

I also want to chime in that even if someone 'ought to be hanged' it does not mean that 'someone ought to hang him.'

Ponder that for a while, I suppose.

Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Let's be honest. The military isn't getting the cream of the crop anymore. Yes, there are those who go in with the best of intentions, but lately they're pulling in the people who had no other alternatives. It was the military or slangin' cigarettes and lottery tickets at the 7-11 for $7.25 an hour

Not sure when this has never been not true throughout history period. Forced enslavement, drafts, etc are extreme examples that are still common practice just not to America's current military. As far as recruitment when I joined their was select windows throughout the year.
Jan-Mar we will accept non high/ged grads then we won't etc. Supply and demand like any other workforce.

Anyone saying they had no alternative is talking out their @ss. Even ex fellons become millionaire's maybe pure luck or hard work. There is always an option.

But as far as "Cream of the crop" that's just silly. Your average joe going to the Meps station is generally a highschool kid that honestly has no clue what they are signing up for short of its for the country. Sure there might be a few "great minds" leading the way but if that were honestly true we prolly wouldn't of gone to Afgan in the first place. We sit by a watch as things like tribal wars in Africa go on and on because it has no benefit to Americans very sheltered lifes. Its like watching the news, 5% fact 95% whatever influence behind the network wants you to believe.

I think what Zahrah is getting at, and I 99.9% agree, is most high school kids going into the military arn't university material. They are kids who dont have the motivation to attend a junior college or lack the GPA/standardized test skills to attend a 4-year univ.

There was a point in time where people went into the military for the GI bill because they needed help paying for college. As financial aid options have got slightly better, this doesn't happen so much. The future doctors, attorneys, scientists, etc... of America can go to school with FAFSA/Grants/CAL-Grants/Scholarships/Loans. Or they can do JC to 4-year univ.

There was also a time when people went into the military to get nursing experience. This really doesn't happen much anymore. Most junior colleges in the country now offer free to low-cost RN programs, and dont require u risk your life!

Most employers dont care if your a veteran or not, they care about experience and university ranking. An army RN applies to a hospital and an RN from UCLA applies. I guarantee you the UCLA RN will get the position.

i respect him as a soldier and even if he snaped there was a line even insane people dont cross with children... hand him to the afghan goverment. This is the kind of thing that starts terrorism all over again.
My opinion... take him to that towns local town squeare and shoot him. Inhuman, yes, but so was the crime.

If one of them came to the US and killed 11 civilians and went home. A frog team would likly drag his sorry *** back to the US for a trial. Should be no different for them. The policies of this country suck.

So much dumb in the last 3 posts

A troll says dumb and gives no insite into whatever you believe is wrong with said threads. Sure what I stated was off the main topic but is true no less. Just going with the flow of almost every thread on ffxiah anymore. Usually with a mod stepping in at some point to steer it back on track or lock it all together. Usually why I never post I this site to begin with. Troll on sir.

This coming from the guy who contributed only 2 or 3 posts of "lol" on the first couple pages, not sure if after that you stunned us all with your intelligence because other than what I quoted, I skipped your posts after that.

LOL

I love the internet. Anyone can say they are anything.