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Does this really get around the 'no suicide' thing
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-02-15 02:25:30
Quote: BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — Rev. Rafael Reatiga asked his parishioners to pray for him and gave the choirmaster a list of songs for his funeral shortly before he was found shot to death together with another Roman Catholic priest, a Colombian prosecutor said Tuesday.
Authorities initially suspected robbery when Reatiga's body was found along with that of Rev. Richard Piffano, 37, in a car in southern Bogota on Jan. 27, 2011.
But on Tuesday prosecutor Ana Patricia Larrota said investigators had determined that it was suicide by hitmen in the year-old case: the two priests hired gunmen to kill them after Reatiga discovered he had AIDS.
The priests gave members of a criminal gang the equivalent of $8,500, said the chief investigator of the prosecutor's office, Maritza Gonzalez, as two of the four alleged assassins appeared before a judge for processing.
She said the two priests had originally planned to throw themselves off a cliff into a canyon north of Bogota but apparently lacked the nerve.
In addition to AIDS, Reatiga had syphilis and witness testimony indicated he was a regular visitor to places frequented by gays in central Bogota, Larrota told the judge who processed the two alleged assassins on Tuesday. Link
I mean really.. If I were God, I'd be more lenient if they had simply bought a gun a couple of bullets and donated the rest.. They seem to think they found a loop hole.. I don't take a lot of what the Bible says seriously, but if I were to, I'd think it would be intention to end your own life, not the actual action, that would be against 'God's will'.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-02-15 02:45:34
Doesn't sound like they were trying to find a loop hole, as it's stated they were gunna throw themselves off a cliff. lol
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By Valefor.Slipispsycho 2012-02-15 02:58:25
Doesn't sound like they were trying to find a loop hole, as it's stated they were gunna throw themselves off a cliff. lol But they lacked the 'balls' to do it.. So they end up paying 8500 bucks instead of buying a 200 dollar pistol and a box of ammunition which would add all of 10-15 dollars. That's a lot of money to avoid just doing yourself in.
Maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions, but to me it sounds like they were trying to avoid shooting themselves. I mean, even the cliff thing could be turned in their favor, theoretically, depending on how they choose to apply the 'logic'.. Many people jump/fall from all sorts of heights, even in cliffs and survive.
I dunno, it just all sounds so ridiculous to me, and the only reason I can come up with for paying 8 grand extra for someone else to do it, is the suicide thing.. Jumping off a cliff is far from certain.. You're pretty damn lucky if you live after getting shot in the head, if you do it right there's almost no chance you will live.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-02-15 03:18:55
Maybe I'm missing your point, but if you're gunna "kill yourself" money isn't really relevant I'd think.
I can't say how I'd feel if I was thinking about suicide and had to choose between doing it myself and having someone else do it, but having someone else do it would seem easier. But usually it also seems like suicides(or attempted suicides) are done because it's the only aspect of the said person's life they think they have control over.
Reasoning for how; I'd figured they'd want to use hitmen as a way to make it look like they didn't commit suicide, but rather murdered so the community wouldn't find out that they were actually wanting to end their lives. That point is moot though considering it sounds like they made it obvious they were gunnna kill themselves?
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-02-15 03:31:51
Sounds like assisted suicide to me.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-02-15 04:00:14
I don't think it has anything to do with finding a loop hole in suicide. They just couldn't go through with it themselves.
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-15 04:04:45
i think the topic of this story should be more about religions horrible treatment of gays that leads to their desire for suicide.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-02-15 04:06:39
Sorry, but I don't see where it says they were trying to kill themselves because they were being persecuted for being gay.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2012-02-15 04:13:20
The only reason the article gave for their suicide was having AIDS. I'll have to agree and say that nothing was mentioned about persecution of gays. I'm not a theist nor am I gay, but I'd probably want to kill myself if I had AIDS too.
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By Asura.Ina 2012-02-15 04:22:03
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »Doesn't sound like they were trying to find a loop hole, as it's stated they were gunna throw themselves off a cliff. lol But they lacked the 'balls' to do it.. So they end up paying 8500 bucks instead of buying a 200 dollar pistol and a box of ammunition which would add all of 10-15 dollars. That's a lot of money to avoid just doing yourself in.
Maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions, but to me it sounds like they were trying to avoid shooting themselves. I mean, even the cliff thing could be turned in their favor, theoretically, depending on how they choose to apply the 'logic'.. Many people jump/fall from all sorts of heights, even in cliffs and survive.
I dunno, it just all sounds so ridiculous to me, and the only reason I can come up with for paying 8 grand extra for someone else to do it, is the suicide thing.. Jumping off a cliff is far from certain.. You're pretty damn lucky if you live after getting shot in the head, if you do it right there's almost no chance you will live. If they were thinking right then yeh it would make more sense but when someone is suicidal they arn't thinking right... It's kinda like the whole "This isn't normal, but on meth it is" meme (at least I think I've seen that one), you or I could look at a situation and see it as no big deal but as someone falls deeper into depression the way they see things change. In the case of the one priest it seems he may (emphisus on the "may", no solid info this is more of an example then anything) have been gay (I don't see it saying anything about the second one so no idea for him), which his religion said was wrong and being diagnosed with AIDs pushed him over the edge. Yet his religion also does not allow suicide so from his perspective a hitman would be the only option.
Yes I know suicide should never be considered an option but again your brain is, for lack of a better term, broken once you are there.
Sounds like assisted suicide to me. Yeh it's exactly what it is just more creative than normal in it's execution
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By Asura.Ina 2012-02-15 04:28:10
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »i think the topic of this story should be more about religions horrible treatment of gays that leads to their desire for suicide. One or both of them being gay is an assumption here, all it says is that one of them was often seen amoung the gay community. Although it does seem likely to me he was a closet homosexual there is no proof of it.
If he was being persecuted for it than it would have been confermed so if anything it is his own personal struggle with it.
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-02-15 04:37:40
ill almost guarantee you they were homosexual. you really don't need some crazy phd to guess what happened here.
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By Phoenix.Missescakes 2012-02-15 06:11:14
Valefor.Slipispsycho said: »Doesn't sound like they were trying to find a loop hole, as it's stated they were gunna throw themselves off a cliff. lol But they lacked the 'balls' to do it.. So they end up paying 8500 bucks instead of buying a 200 dollar pistol and a box of ammunition which would add all of 10-15 dollars. That's a lot of money to avoid just doing yourself in. Maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions, but to me it sounds like they were trying to avoid shooting themselves. I mean, even the cliff thing could be turned in their favor, theoretically, depending on how they choose to apply the 'logic'.. Many people jump/fall from all sorts of heights, even in cliffs and survive. I dunno, it just all sounds so ridiculous to me, and the only reason I can come up with for paying 8 grand extra for someone else to do it, is the suicide thing.. Jumping off a cliff is far from certain.. You're pretty damn lucky if you live after getting shot in the head, if you do it right there's almost no chance you will live. If they were thinking right then yeh it would make more sense but when someone is suicidal they arn't thinking right... It's kinda like the whole "This isn't normal, but on meth it is" meme (at least I think I've seen that one), you or I could look at a situation and see it as no big deal but as someone falls deeper into depression the way they see things change. In the case of the one priest it seems he may (emphisus on the "may", no solid info this is more of an example then anything) have been gay (I don't see it saying anything about the second one so no idea for him), which his religion said was wrong and being diagnosed with AIDs pushed him over the edge. Yet his religion also does not allow suicide so from his perspective a hitman would be the only option. Yes I know suicide should never be considered an option but again your brain is, for lack of a better term, broken once you are there. Sounds like assisted suicide to me. Yeh it's exactly what it is just more creative than normal in it's execution
The other thing to is the guy had syphilis and that does make you go crazy like that disease rly makes you clinically mental lol and add to the fact he was having to cope with aids im sure that didnt help seeing as how syphilis is curable and aids is cured by money it would seem he just didnt have enough~ and assisted suicide is wut they did imo
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By Lakshmi.Jesi 2012-02-15 06:15:14
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »i think the topic of this story should be more about religions horrible treatment of gays that leads to their desire for suicide. One or both of them being gay is an assumption here, all it says is that one of them was often seen amoung the gay community. Although it does seem likely to me he was a closet homosexual there is no proof of it.
If he was being persecuted for it than it would have been confermed so if anything it is his own personal struggle with it. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »i think the topic of this story should be more about religions horrible treatment of gays that leads to their desire for suicide. One or both of them being gay is an assumption here, all it says is that one of them was often seen amoung the gay community. Although it does seem likely to me he was a closet homosexual there is no proof of it.
If he was being persecuted for it than it would have been confermed so if anything it is his own personal struggle with it.
A Catholic priest with AIDS and other STDs that was seen frequenting gay hangouts.
It's not an assumption to think they were gay, it would be downright silly to think they were straight.
Quote: BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — Rev. Rafael Reatiga asked his parishioners to pray for him and gave the choirmaster a list of songs for his funeral shortly before he was found shot to death together with another Roman Catholic priest, a Colombian prosecutor said Tuesday.
Authorities initially suspected robbery when Reatiga's body was found along with that of Rev. Richard Piffano, 37, in a car in southern Bogota on Jan. 27, 2011.
But on Tuesday prosecutor Ana Patricia Larrota said investigators had determined that it was suicide by hitmen in the year-old case: the two priests hired gunmen to kill them after Reatiga discovered he had AIDS.
The priests gave members of a criminal gang the equivalent of $8,500, said the chief investigator of the prosecutor's office, Maritza Gonzalez, as two of the four alleged assassins appeared before a judge for processing.
She said the two priests had originally planned to throw themselves off a cliff into a canyon north of Bogota but apparently lacked the nerve.
In addition to AIDS, Reatiga had syphilis and witness testimony indicated he was a regular visitor to places frequented by gays in central Bogota, Larrota told the judge who processed the two alleged assassins on Tuesday. Link
I mean really.. If I were God, I'd be more lenient if they had simply bought a gun a couple of bullets and donated the rest.. They seem to think they found a loop hole.. I don't take a lot of what the Bible says seriously, but if I were to, I'd think it would be intention to end your own life, not the actual action, that would be against 'God's will'.
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