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By Asura.Fondue 2012-02-02 23:54:55
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
No, no one complained about pet TH. This was spontaneous nerfing.
I hate beastmasters
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-03 00:10:15
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Asura.Fondue said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
No, no one complained about pet TH. This was spontaneous nerfing.
I hate beastmasters

Its ok the feeling is mutual.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-02-03 00:21:37
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gotta love all the guttlers around now lol your tears are delicious
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-03 00:24:26
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Asura.Fondue said: »
gotta love all the guttlers around now lol your tears are delicious

Its still better then no relic
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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-02-03 00:34:58
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Phoenix.Esaias said: »
So TH3 for pets made THF and RNG feel impotent, SE decided instead of making THF RNG better lets nerf. Let's not make the game better for those who could use a boost let's kill what is popular. WELL PLAYED SE, WELL PLAYED!

SE would rather do less work and nerf, then do more work and make other jobs better.

IE: Ukko/Smite nerfing.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-03 00:37:09
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By terren1odin 2012-02-03 00:48:37
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Is anyone else a little disturbed that they considered changing the drop rate table for the entire game to 'fix' this?

I feel like if SE was a doctor, and I had a cut on my finger, they'd offer me two solutions: cut off my finger, or shoot myself in the face.

Also: THF gets innate TH3, TH7 with gear that's relatively easy to get, and they get to increase TH on mobs just by hitting them. Somehow, I don't feel my BST is threatening my THF.

God help us when they notice THF/DNCs soloing dynamis with TH7+. Lord have mercy, the sky be falling!
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By Alexander.Akion 2012-02-03 01:07:36
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I'm just going to throw my 2 cents in, seems like everyone else is doing the same.

Coming from a "used" to be career BST (who soloed to 75 mind you), I feel this is a welcomed nerf. (I can already see the hater spam coming)

Yes, so you have to EARN your gear. Stop crying. I get pissed off @ 99BSTS who burned the job, are sitting in perle gear too, and my BST is well geared. I spent the time making the axes, making the +2 gear. So you gotta spend some more time to get TH(whatever) back. Isn't this game about spending time to get stuff? Does a THF have to spend time making the +2 hands? Farming the original Assman Armlets? The FTouches to make them? Yes. So quit bitching. The fact is, BST IS overpowered in dyna. TH was meant for THF, not bst. Be thankful you're even going to get TH1 or w/e out of a thf type jugpet. CC didn't have protect or Cure 4 back in the day, (and obviously still doesn't), so why should a thf type jugpet get TH? Because SEI and their (albeit retardedness)gave it to you. Stop complaining, they could take it away entirely. But no, they instead have given you a glimpse @ what you will get. TH1 with gauranteed more, just an undetermined amount at this time.

I welcome the addition of less Stormtroopers in Dyna Valk, and do not look forward to seeing Pink thfs in there.
I agree with the comments regarding the Ukko/VS nerf. If you're whining about losing 1-2 TH tiers, tell that to a WAR/MNK.
In regards to someone crying about having to figure out a way to farm their NEXT Relic. STFU. You already have one, quit crying. As if 1 isn't enough. There's plenty of people who WISH they could have 1.

On my last note, why does everyone always have to cry about ***?

::awaiting all the hate comments and //trollface comments::
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-03 01:12:31
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Alexander.Akion said: »
I'm just going to throw my 2 cents in, seems like everyone else is doing the same.

Coming from a "used" to be career BST (who soloed to 75 mind you), I feel this is a welcomed nerf. (I can already see the hater spam coming)

Yes, so you have to EARN your gear. Stop crying. I get pissed off @ 99BSTS who burned the job, are sitting in perle gear too, and my BST is well geared. I spent the time making the axes, making the +2 gear. So you gotta spend some more time to get TH(whatever) back. Isn't this game about spending time to get stuff? Does a THF have to spend time making the +2 hands? Farming the original Assman Armlets? The FTouches to make them? Yes. So quit bitching. The fact is, BST IS overpowered in dyna. TH was meant for THF, not bst. Be thankful you're even going to get TH1 or w/e out of a thf type jugpet. CC didn't have protect or Cure 4 back in the day, (and obviously still doesn't), so why should a thf type jugpet get TH? Because SEI and their (albeit retardedness)gave it to you. Stop complaining, they could take it away entirely. But no, they instead have given you a glimpse @ what you will get. TH1 with gauranteed more, just an undetermined amount at this time.

I welcome the addition of less Stormtroopers in Dyna Valk, and do not look forward to seeing Pink thfs in there.
I agree with the comments regarding the Ukko/VS nerf. If you're whining about losing 1-2 TH tiers, tell that to a WAR/MNK.
In regards to someone crying about having to figure out a way to farm their NEXT Relic. STFU. You already have one, quit crying. As if 1 isn't enough. There's plenty of people who WISH they could have 1.

On my last note, why does everyone always have to cry about ***?

::awaiting all the hate comments and //trollface comments::

Its all been said before, if this do it with this trait whats stopping them to doing it for all of them. I have plenty of pet gear, i dont need more to enhance its natrual job traits.
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By Asura.Psubond 2012-02-03 01:15:39
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can we PLEASE ship that POS tanaka back to ffxiv? he can blow holes in that sinking ship all he wants since it is beyond help.
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-02-03 01:26:03
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Asura.Fondue said: »
gotta love all the guttlers around now lol your tears are delicious

Its still better then no relic
check back tomorrow, useful relic ahooooooooooooy
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By Asura.Psubond 2012-02-03 01:28:48
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Alexander.Akion said: »
In regards to someone crying about having to figure out a way to farm their NEXT Relic. STFU. You already have one, quit crying. As if 1 isn't enough. There's plenty of people who WISH they could have 1.


a lot of people WISH they had a lot of gear but aren't willing to work for it.


oh wait you probably think we should go back to the old days of riding on many people's backs to get relics.
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By Ragnarok.Yokyumosheemo 2012-02-03 05:27:34
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I will still farm on bst.. Grant it i dont run into issues with bst being douches.. It's other people on other jobs... holding TE's or whatever.. Oh welll this nerf wont make much of a difference I guess i will jut have to craft more for gil...

I always thought more currency was a good thing which allowed people to get their relics.. but if they wanna reduce the amount of currency on the market (not saying it will) it's pretty much whatever..

in all honesty, i dont really care either way, no reason to get all QQ over this.
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By Shiva.Falseliberty 2012-02-03 07:00:09
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jesus fawking christwagons

"I still keep TH stuff in sack for special NMs and stuff"

did anyone read that part?
wanna know how you make things drop? by killing faster.

not by wearing this garbage

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/16480/thiefs-knife
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-03 07:04:57
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Your base TH level is applied on your first hit, even if you miss. Yeah, in something like Dynamis, the knife isn't worth it, but all the rest of the gear can still be used on your first hit, then you're free to wear whatever other gear you wish.
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By Shiva.Falseliberty 2012-02-03 07:11:10
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That whopping 1-2% just ain't worth it man. Better served with more inventory space for more Log Watch
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-03 12:07:18
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Shiva.Falseliberty said: »
That whopping 1-2% just ain't worth it man. Better served with more inventory space for more Log Watch

ITT: You can't change out your inventory between events.
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By Alexander.Akion 2012-02-03 12:08:03
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Asura.Psubond said: »
Alexander.Akion said: »
In regards to someone crying about having to figure out a way to farm their NEXT Relic. STFU. You already have one, quit crying. As if 1 isn't enough. There's plenty of people who WISH they could have 1.


a lot of people WISH they had a lot of gear but aren't willing to work for it.


oh wait you probably think we should go back to the old days of riding on many people's backs to get relics.
No, as stated, people should have to EARN their gear. I never said anythign about riding on peoples backs to get the gear they want. My friend and I DUO'D his Kannagi back @ 90. EVERYTHING. We are DUO'ING his Excal in DValk. DUO. I get my ***from hard work, and so does he. Never once did I say anythign about sucking off someone else for ***.

Oh wait, that's probably what you do/want. (Threw that in there because you decided to put words out of my mouth that I didn't say)
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-03 12:23:45
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Alexander.Akion said: »
Asura.Psubond said: »
Alexander.Akion said: »
In regards to someone crying about having to figure out a way to farm their NEXT Relic. STFU. You already have one, quit crying. As if 1 isn't enough. There's plenty of people who WISH they could have 1.


a lot of people WISH they had a lot of gear but aren't willing to work for it.


oh wait you probably think we should go back to the old days of riding on many people's backs to get relics.
No, as stated, people should have to EARN their gear. I never said anythign about riding on peoples backs to get the gear they want. My friend and I DUO'D his Kannagi back @ 90. EVERYTHING. We are DUO'ING his Excal in DValk. DUO. I get my ***from hard work, and so does he. Never once did I say anythign about sucking off someone else for ***.

Oh wait, that's probably what you do/want. (Threw that in there because you decided to put words out of my mouth that I didn't say)

Since when do we have to earn base job traits, THF gets TH3 at 90, u dont need any extra gear u automatically get it. Same with every other pet job, SMN dosent have to earn gear for blood pacts, PUP dosent have to buy scrolls for spells. So this "earn it" is asinine in every aspect.
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2012-02-03 12:55:24
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Alexander.Akion said: »
Asura.Psubond said: »
Alexander.Akion said: »
In regards to someone crying about having to figure out a way to farm their NEXT Relic. STFU. You already have one, quit crying. As if 1 isn't enough. There's plenty of people who WISH they could have 1.


a lot of people WISH they had a lot of gear but aren't willing to work for it.


oh wait you probably think we should go back to the old days of riding on many people's backs to get relics.
No, as stated, people should have to EARN their gear. I never said anythign about riding on peoples backs to get the gear they want. My friend and I DUO'D his Kannagi back @ 90. EVERYTHING. We are DUO'ING his Excal in DValk. DUO. I get my ***from hard work, and so does he. Never once did I say anythign about sucking off someone else for ***.

Oh wait, that's probably what you do/want. (Threw that in there because you decided to put words out of my mouth that I didn't say)

Since when do we have to earn base job traits, THF gets TH3 at 90, u dont need any extra gear u automatically get it. Same with every other pet job, SMN dosent have to earn gear for blood pacts, PUP dosent have to buy scrolls for spells. So this "earn it" is asinine in every aspect.

TH is not native to bst, dont act like youre entitled to it. Youre lucky they opted to give you gear to make up for it instead of outright sticking you with TH1. And to crap all over your point. dnc gets spectral jig, but if i want it to last more than 45seconds to 1 minute, i need 2 pieces of gear.

or even better. PUP needs THREE pieces of gear (or a mythic) to use maneuvers the way we need to, and maneuvers are the foundation of the job

another edit, another point: before abyssea, BST needed tons of gear to charm with a respectable amount of accuracy.
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By Valefor.Angeluzun 2012-02-03 13:01:35
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I suspect we will only ever see 1 piece of "pet: TH+1" gear, which will finally put this bandwagon to rest.
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2012-02-03 13:03:24
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IMO the difference between TH2 and TH3 isnt enough to discourage anyone. if it is, i really need a tarutaru sash
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-03 13:16:07
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Valefor.Angeluzun said: »
I suspect we will only ever see 1 piece of "pet: TH+1" gear, which will finally put this bandwagon to rest.

But it wont, bst will still flood dynamis cause its the easiest 2hrs of farming. I dont even sell currency so i could care less, i just now have to lvl THF to do general farming taking up room i dont have.
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By Odin.Barthelby 2012-02-03 13:16:38
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I think the pet th+ item will be one of the additional rewards when they add Cait Sith as avatar , maybe an earring so all pet jobs can use it.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-03 13:20:43
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Valefor.Angeluzun said: »
I suspect we will only ever see 1 piece of "pet: TH+1" gear, which will finally put this bandwagon to rest.

But it wont, bst will still flood dynamis cause its the easiest 2hrs of farming. I dont even sell currency so i could care less, i just now have to lvl THF to do general farming taking up room i dont have.

why would it take up room? you can just get thf to 49 and use it as sub.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-03 13:22:18
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Fenrir.Hanabira said: »
Bahamut.Zangada said: »
Alexander.Akion said: »
Asura.Psubond said: »
Alexander.Akion said: »
In regards to someone crying about having to figure out a way to farm their NEXT Relic. STFU. You already have one, quit crying. As if 1 isn't enough. There's plenty of people who WISH they could have 1.


a lot of people WISH they had a lot of gear but aren't willing to work for it.


oh wait you probably think we should go back to the old days of riding on many people's backs to get relics.
No, as stated, people should have to EARN their gear. I never said anythign about riding on peoples backs to get the gear they want. My friend and I DUO'D his Kannagi back @ 90. EVERYTHING. We are DUO'ING his Excal in DValk. DUO. I get my ***from hard work, and so does he. Never once did I say anythign about sucking off someone else for ***.

Oh wait, that's probably what you do/want. (Threw that in there because you decided to put words out of my mouth that I didn't say)

Since when do we have to earn base job traits, THF gets TH3 at 90, u dont need any extra gear u automatically get it. Same with every other pet job, SMN dosent have to earn gear for blood pacts, PUP dosent have to buy scrolls for spells. So this "earn it" is asinine in every aspect.

TH is not native to bst, dont act like youre entitled to it. Youre lucky they opted to give you gear to make up for it instead of outright sticking you with TH1. And to crap all over your point. dnc gets spectral jig, but if i want it to last more than 45seconds to 1 minute, i need 2 pieces of gear.

or even better. PUP needs THREE pieces of gear (or a mythic) to use maneuvers the way we need to, and maneuvers are the foundation of the job

another edit, another point: before abyssea, BST needed tons of gear to charm with a respectable amount of accuracy.

And since when is all these BLM and WHM spells native to PUP and SMN? As long as u have the skill lvl u get them handed to u for free, theres nothing earned so i call ***. And pets are a foundation of BST so idk where u get its so different.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-03 13:24:18
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Bahamut.Zangada said: »
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Alexander.Akion said: »
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Alexander.Akion said: »
In regards to someone crying about having to figure out a way to farm their NEXT Relic. STFU. You already have one, quit crying. As if 1 isn't enough. There's plenty of people who WISH they could have 1.


a lot of people WISH they had a lot of gear but aren't willing to work for it.


oh wait you probably think we should go back to the old days of riding on many people's backs to get relics.
No, as stated, people should have to EARN their gear. I never said anythign about riding on peoples backs to get the gear they want. My friend and I DUO'D his Kannagi back @ 90. EVERYTHING. We are DUO'ING his Excal in DValk. DUO. I get my ***from hard work, and so does he. Never once did I say anythign about sucking off someone else for ***.

Oh wait, that's probably what you do/want. (Threw that in there because you decided to put words out of my mouth that I didn't say)

Since when do we have to earn base job traits, THF gets TH3 at 90, u dont need any extra gear u automatically get it. Same with every other pet job, SMN dosent have to earn gear for blood pacts, PUP dosent have to buy scrolls for spells. So this "earn it" is asinine in every aspect.

TH is not native to bst, dont act like youre entitled to it. Youre lucky they opted to give you gear to make up for it instead of outright sticking you with TH1. And to crap all over your point. dnc gets spectral jig, but if i want it to last more than 45seconds to 1 minute, i need 2 pieces of gear.

or even better. PUP needs THREE pieces of gear (or a mythic) to use maneuvers the way we need to, and maneuvers are the foundation of the job

another edit, another point: before abyssea, BST needed tons of gear to charm with a respectable amount of accuracy.

And since when is all these BLM and WHM spells native to PUP and SMN? As long as u have the skill lvl u get them handed to u for free, theres nothing earned so i call ***. And pets are a foundation of BST so idk here u get its so different.

yes pet is the "Foundation" not TH so quit qqing over something that isnt the basis for your job. if they said. "oh we are increasing the recast for call beast, but now we are adding items to lower it back to what it was" then ok i would see reason for you to cry. but not something that has nothing to do with your job. ffs

Edit: also pup need to buy manuvers in order to use spells. and sch still has to buy the spells... idk where you get your info.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-02-03 13:24:44
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I'm just going to be honest here.

Beastmaster shouldn't have Treasure Hunter period, regardless of the job the jug pet is.

I'm not sure why BST's all of a sudden think they are entitled to TH3, it's ridiculous. You should be damn thankful SE even gave it to you to enhance the job further, yet you all just want more and more.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-03 13:27:17
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
I'm just going to be honest here.

Beastmaster shouldn't have Treasure Hunter period, regardless of the job the jug pet is.

I'm not sure why BST's all of a sudden think they are entitled to TH3, it's ridiculous. You should be damn thankful SE even gave it to you to enhance the job further, yet you all just want more and more.

Zag thinks its because they have to farm the items for their jugs. well in his way of thinking all bst should have native cooking skill 100... wtf srsly? Mages dont have TH yet they have to farm their spells.... they just QQ because they want to QQ
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