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[Dev] Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs
 Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-02 19:55:50
realistically maybe 1 or 2 TH+ pieces will come out but I severely doubt "pet th+" gear will exist
the second they make a "pet th+1" piece, the pet with th1 will have th2 meaning you'd be identical to a bst/thf. SE just said that was exactly what they were avoiding | 02-02-2012 04:25 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep |  |
| Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs
As an adjustment to the balance of Treasure Hunter at level 99, the below pets will have their Treasure Hunter effect changed to Treasure Hunter I.
-Dipper Yuly
-Faithful Falcorr
※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.
Here is the premise regarding the hierarchy of the Treasure Hunter effect (from strongest to weakest).
Thief
Ranger
Support job thief
Other jobs
※As ranger received the new “Bounty Shot” as a support ability, it is now slightly more beneficial than a support job Treasure Hunter when effectively used.
However, with the increase in the level cap from 75 to 99, this ordering has started to become ambiguous, so in order to clearly define the premise again, our current aim was to find adjustments appropriate to follow this.
The prime example of changes to this hierarchy were with the increase in the Treasure Hunter effect for familiar pets due to the level cap increase and we would like to start by adjusting this area.
The development team looked into routes to adjust this, such as changing the pet’s job, lowering the stats of the pets in exchange for not lowering the Treasure Hunter effect, revamping the pet’s special abilities, etc., but ultimately they made the decision to preserve their fighting capabilities and only reduce their Treasure Hunter effect. To go along with this adjustment, we will be easing up on the materials required to synthesize “Lucky Broth” which created with the basis of the Treasure Hunter effect in mind.
※The current focus of this adjustment is for familiar pets, but in the future if automatons and avatars are given Treasure Hunter, we will be adopting the same policy.
To give a bit more insight, the development team looked into a completely different direction on this at first, exploring if they could establish proper balance to follow this idea by changing the drop rate table. However, if they were to change the drop rates, the obtainment rate for every single item would change and the effects would be too drastic, so they came to the conclusion that they would not be adjusting the drop rates. | |
seriously do ppl not read ***anymore?
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-02 19:57:19
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 19:57:33
To be fair, SE says a lot of things.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 19:58:06
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
seriously do ppl not read ***anymore?
Bahamut.Zangada
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-02 19:58:56
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
so? sacrifice something in order to gain something.
It's not being done with another other pet trait, so can we expect all of them to be reduced to 1 and we have to collect gear to enhance them? Pets is what makes BST a unique job just like every other job has something but this is the 1st i remembered something taken away just to be giving back at a later time in a different form.
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-02 19:59:50
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
seriously do ppl not read ***anymore?
i read that.
Cerberus.Ica
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By Cerberus.Ica 2012-02-02 20:00:53
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
Yeah, cause BST are awesomely overpowered and it was about damn time someone brought them down a peg or two!!! Maybe now all those BST ONRY people will start playing undervalued jobs like SAM, or WAR.
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-02 20:03:23
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
Yeah, cause BST are awesomely overpowered and it was about damn time someone brought them down a peg or two!!! Maybe now all those BST ONRY people will start playing undervalued jobs like SAM, or WAR.
Ya thats why everyone and their mother lvld BST for dynamis farm :D because it wasn't the best of EVERY *** WORLD!!! TH,HEALING,KILLING SPEED. it was overpowered for farming. thts why it was brought down a peg.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-02 20:06:41
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
Yeah, cause BST are awesomely overpowered and it was about damn time someone brought them down a peg or two!!! Maybe now all those BST ONRY people will start playing undervalued jobs like SAM, or WAR.
Ya thats why everyone and their mother lvld BST for dynamis farm :D because it wasn't the best of EVERY *** WORLD!!! TH,HEALING,KILLING SPEED. it was overpowered for farming. thts why it was brought down a peg.
That the irony, if they give us pet th gear were just gonna end up right back where we started just with less inventory.
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-02 20:09:45
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
Yeah, cause BST are awesomely overpowered and it was about damn time someone brought them down a peg or two!!! Maybe now all those BST ONRY people will start playing undervalued jobs like SAM, or WAR.
Ya thats why everyone and their mother lvld BST for dynamis farm :D because it wasn't the best of EVERY *** WORLD!!! TH,HEALING,KILLING SPEED. it was overpowered for farming. thts why it was brought down a peg.
That the irony, if they give us pet th gear were just gonna end up right back where we started just with less inventory.
If you work and obtain the item.
but stop being so self centered. they are making the Pet TH+ probably for all jobs with pets. so every pet job can have TH+
like i said before if they did this and left bst off the items bst will just rage QQ that they were all left out and how only 2 of their pets have TH and now every summon or automaton can have TH
By Wardeniii 2012-02-02 20:13:25
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
seriously do ppl not read ***anymore?
As a BST that does dynamis on a main and mule fairly consistently--I have to agree with Sylow. It is a hard hit, but BST really was significantly ahead of the curve in terms of easy coin farming.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 20:13:26
Nah, it's going to be an axe with like 14 base damage and Attack-50.
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-02 20:16:31
Then there was no reason for them to cause such a ***storm, just say once we implement pet th gear we will be lowering the TH for the jug pets. But then again its se and that would be too easy.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 20:28:03
two axes, latent effect active after wearing both for longer than 60 minutes
resets upon zoning
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Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-02 20:28:24
two axes, latent effect active after wearing both for longer than 60 minutes
resets upon zoning
and upon pet death.
 Cerberus.Vivik
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By Cerberus.Vivik 2012-02-02 20:29:46
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
Yeah, cause BST are awesomely overpowered and it was about damn time someone brought them down a peg or two!!! Maybe now all those BST ONRY people will start playing undervalued jobs like SAM, or WAR.
Ya thats why everyone and their mother lvld BST for dynamis farm :D because it wasn't the best of EVERY *** WORLD!!! TH,HEALING,KILLING SPEED. it was overpowered for farming. thts why it was brought down a peg.
That the irony, if they give us pet th gear were just gonna end up right back where we started just with less inventory.
If you work and obtain the item.
but stop being so self centered. they are making the Pet TH+ probably for all jobs with pets. so every pet job can have TH+
like i said before if they did this and left bst off the items bst will just rage QQ that they were all left out and how only 2 of their pets have TH and now every summon or automaton can have TH
Doesn't change a thing. BST will still have the highest TH with the TH+ gear because we have pets with TH already. Like I said in a previous post, it's just a gigantic waste of time. BST will be back on top in Dyna and nothing will have changed. Pointless...
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-02-02 20:32:00
This isn't about changing dynamis >.>;;;
Where did that even come from ._. *goes back to lurking*
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-02-02 20:32:54
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
Yeah, cause BST are awesomely overpowered and it was about damn time someone brought them down a peg or two!!! Maybe now all those BST ONRY people will start playing undervalued jobs like SAM, or WAR.
Ya thats why everyone and their mother lvld BST for dynamis farm :D because it wasn't the best of EVERY *** WORLD!!! TH,HEALING,KILLING SPEED. it was overpowered for farming. thts why it was brought down a peg.
That the irony, if they give us pet th gear were just gonna end up right back where we started just with less inventory.
If you work and obtain the item.
but stop being so self centered. they are making the Pet TH+ probably for all jobs with pets. so every pet job can have TH+
like i said before if they did this and left bst off the items bst will just rage QQ that they were all left out and how only 2 of their pets have TH and now every summon or automaton can have TH
Doesn't change a thing. BST will still have the highest TH with the TH+ gear because we have pets with TH already. Like I said in a previous post, it's just a gigantic waste of time. BST will be back on top in Dyna and nothing will have changed. Pointless...
Thats not the case. if they only add 1 TH+ gear then you get TH2, so its not the highest. also its only for the bst that actually got the item. so no just everyone has good TH on bst. you have to work for it. so career bst will. but a lot of lvld it for dyna farm will die off. or some at least.
so no not pointless. especially since this seems like it will add TH to all your pets not just 2. why dont ppl see how this can be better...
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-02-02 20:33:29
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By Cerberus.Ica 2012-02-02 20:34:05
This isn't about changing dynamis >.>;;;
Where did that even come from ._. *goes back to lurking*
Who said anything about changing dynamis?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-02-02 20:34:33
The post right above mine XD
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By Cerberus.Ica 2012-02-02 20:35:22
The reason people complain so much about BSTs is because they can farm effectively in dynamis...............
No one is changing dyna. I don't understand. ; ;
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By Cerberus.Vivik 2012-02-02 20:36:14
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Also, if you sub THF on BST, you don't get JA procs, so the whole point is moot.
BST/THF can proc JA. just with bad recast timers. also if you dont like that then fight mobs that get ws procs...
WS procs are not as efficient as JA procs solo.
Anyway, the point is, it's a pretty big hit to BSTs, I'm not saying it isn't merited, but it is a pretty big hit.
ya... a hit that brings them back to other jobs?
Yeah, cause BST are awesomely overpowered and it was about damn time someone brought them down a peg or two!!! Maybe now all those BST ONRY people will start playing undervalued jobs like SAM, or WAR.
Ya thats why everyone and their mother lvld BST for dynamis farm :D because it wasn't the best of EVERY *** WORLD!!! TH,HEALING,KILLING SPEED. it was overpowered for farming. thts why it was brought down a peg.
That the irony, if they give us pet th gear were just gonna end up right back where we started just with less inventory.
If you work and obtain the item.
but stop being so self centered. they are making the Pet TH+ probably for all jobs with pets. so every pet job can have TH+
like i said before if they did this and left bst off the items bst will just rage QQ that they were all left out and how only 2 of their pets have TH and now every summon or automaton can have TH
Doesn't change a thing. BST will still have the highest TH with the TH+ gear because we have pets with TH already. Like I said in a previous post, it's just a gigantic waste of time. BST will be back on top in Dyna and nothing will have changed. Pointless...
Thats not the case. if they only add 1 TH+ gear then you get TH2, so its not the highest. also its only for the bst that actually got the item. so no just everyone has good TH on bst. you have to work for it. so career bst will. but a lot of lvld it for dyna farm will die off. or some at least.
so no not pointless. especially since this seems like it will add TH to all your pets not just 2. why dont ppl see how this can be better...
So your logic is the people that leveled bst to do Dyna wont get pet TH gear to do Dyna? Very sound indeed.
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By Lakshmi.Aurilius 2012-02-02 20:37:20
This is merely another time sink to keep people playing longer. I don't get why people are upset with this change. You're playing an MMO. What did you expect?
They will keep changing things to add gear, so that you have to get the new gear. Then once you get the new gear, something else will change and there will be different new gear.
You guys must be new to this stuff. It's kinda how games like this work.
Oh and you also assume TH1 with procs won't net you a decent dynamis run. I'm willing to bet if your bst is geared well, you'll still be fine.
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By Cerberus.Vivik 2012-02-02 20:38:14
This is merely another time sink to keep people playing longer. I don't get why people are upset with this change. You're playing an MMO. What did you expect?
They will keep changing things to add gear, so that you have to get the new gear. Then once you get the new gear, something else will change and there will be different new gear.
You guys must be new to this stuff. It's kinda how games like this work.
I too think this is the only reason for the change.
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By Phoenix.Esaias 2012-02-02 20:39:53
So TH3 for pets made THF and RNG feel impotent, SE decided instead of making THF RNG better lets nerf. Let's not make the game better for those who could use a boost let's kill what is popular. WELL PLAYED SE, WELL PLAYED!
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| 02-02-2012 04:25 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs
As an adjustment to the balance of Treasure Hunter at level 99, the below pets will have their Treasure Hunter effect changed to Treasure Hunter I.
-Dipper Yuly
-Faithful Falcorr
※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.
Here is the premise regarding the hierarchy of the Treasure Hunter effect (from strongest to weakest).
Thief
Ranger
Support job thief
Other jobs
※As ranger received the new “Bounty Shot” as a support ability, it is now slightly more beneficial than a support job Treasure Hunter when effectively used.
However, with the increase in the level cap from 75 to 99, this ordering has started to become ambiguous, so in order to clearly define the premise again, our current aim was to find adjustments appropriate to follow this.
The prime example of changes to this hierarchy were with the increase in the Treasure Hunter effect for familiar pets due to the level cap increase and we would like to start by adjusting this area.
The development team looked into routes to adjust this, such as changing the pet’s job, lowering the stats of the pets in exchange for not lowering the Treasure Hunter effect, revamping the pet’s special abilities, etc., but ultimately they made the decision to preserve their fighting capabilities and only reduce their Treasure Hunter effect. To go along with this adjustment, we will be easing up on the materials required to synthesize “Lucky Broth” which created with the basis of the Treasure Hunter effect in mind.
※The current focus of this adjustment is for familiar pets, but in the future if automatons and avatars are given Treasure Hunter, we will be adopting the same policy.
To give a bit more insight, the development team looked into a completely different direction on this at first, exploring if they could establish proper balance to follow this idea by changing the drop rate table. However, if they were to change the drop rates, the obtainment rate for every single item would change and the effects would be too drastic, so they came to the conclusion that they would not be adjusting the drop rates. | |
| 02-07-2012 04:50 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Greetings!
Since we have seen some comments related to Dynamis for this discussion about the effect of Treasure Hunter amongst jobs, first I would like to respond to this.
The aforementioned adjustment is not geared towards specific content, as jobs adjustments are considered to have large effects on everything. Regardless of the existing content, we are considering the case of adding new content in the future and decided it was necessary to re-examine the guidelines and make adjustments.
Continuing on, here are some comments in regards to some feedback we have received.
Faithful Falcorr
Since this is a thief-type pet, many of you were hoping for a strong Treasure Hunter effect and we apologize deeply for lowering the effect. We will be looking into adjustments for Falcorr so that this pet can be utilized differently than Yuly and increase the amount of time it is called for, in addition to the previously mentioned recipe changes.
Selection between battle capability of pets/Treasure Hunter
This was an exploration of where the beastmaster job has been placed; a job that focuses on fighting alongside a pet, or a job that focuses on Treasure Hunter. We felt that the former was much more fitting and believe that you all feel the same. Based on this decision, we began to look into adjustments of the benefits of Treasure Hunter. Of course, this doesn’t mean that Treasure Hunter is impermissible as a means of support for pets, and the effect itself will remain intact.
Exploration of attack aspects
Finally, the current focus of this adjustment was Treasure Hunter and adjustments to attack aspects is a different thing to look into. The equation isn’t as simple as saying if a pet has a high value of TH, then attack power will not be raised, and we will be continuing to make necessary adjustments while making the most of each job’s strengths. | |
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