Sylph.Lorax said: »
Is anyone else trying to figure out why he made an account here JUST to post that? All 7 of his posts are in this thread.
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Sylph.Lorax said: » Is anyone else trying to figure out why he made an account here JUST to post that? All 7 of his posts are in this thread. Valefor.Slipispsycho said: » Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: » Valefor.Slipispsycho said: » I've always preferred to say it like this: I don't dispute a man named Jesus roughly the same age and living in the time the Bible says he did, actually existed.. But I do dispute any claim the Bible accredits to him. No primary sources, no sources even written by him, No witnesses happened to write about him. Nothing of the sort. Probably much more likely that several doomsday preachers got conglomerated into one story. Shiva.Xellith said: » Stop cherry picking. You talk like the bible is an amazing moral guide - you obviously overlooked all the rape and such. God is good - god commanded rape - therefore rape is good? Religious logic at its best? What? You can't pick out the truly morally praiseworthy parts of scripture follow those and discard the ones you can recognize as evil? Human history is full of horrific things humans did. Rape, murder, war, slavery, torture, inequality. Are we incapable of looking at the past? Can we realize that while our ancestors created great things, they also perpetrated innumerable acts of violence? Can we not learn from that, realize we're better today than we were 1,000, 100, 50, 20, 10 years ago? I think you're being unfair in saying someone has to treat all parts of an obviously divided work as equal. And I think you're giving too little credit to the progress of society. Cerberus.Eugene said: » Shiva.Xellith said: » Stop cherry picking. You talk like the bible is an amazing moral guide - you obviously overlooked all the rape and such. God is good - god commanded rape - therefore rape is good? Religious logic at its best? What? You can't pick out the truly morally praiseworthy parts of scripture follow those and discard the ones you can recognize as evil? Human history is full of horrific things humans did. Rape, murder, war, slavery, torture, inequality. Are we incapable of looking at the past? Can we realize that while our ancestors created great things, they also perpetrated innumerable acts of violence? Can we not learn from that, realize we're better today than we were 1,000, 100, 50, 20, 10 years ago? I think you're being unfair in saying someone has to treat all parts of an obviously divided work as equal. Yes we can..and we can do it without religion >_> Cerberus.Eugene said: » Shiva.Xellith said: » Stop cherry picking. You talk like the bible is an amazing moral guide - you obviously overlooked all the rape and such. God is good - god commanded rape - therefore rape is good? Religious logic at its best? What? You can't pick out the truly morally praiseworthy parts of scripture follow those and discard the ones you can recognize as evil? Human history is full of horrific things humans did. Rape, murder, war, slavery, torture, inequality. Are we incapable of looking at the past? Can we realize that while our ancestors created great things, they also perpetrated innumerable acts of violence? Can we not learn from that, realize we're better today than we were 1,000, 100, 50, 20, 10 years ago? I think you're being unfair in saying someone has to treat all parts of an obviously divided work as equal. Powerful testimony. Will send prayers for your mother and may God continue to bless you.
Ty Mahayaya
I think he's being sarcastic :<
God I need to get out of this thread before I get temp banned. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » I think he's being sarcastic :< God I need to get out of this thread before I get temp banned. I mean mahayahan or w/e.
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Yes we can..and we can do it without religion >_> Valefor.Slipispsycho said: » When you find out someone raped a bunch of kids do you just look passed it? Rape is rape. Rape is evil. Slavery is evil, and we can recognize slavery as evil when it happens now, and we can recognize slavery as evil when it happened in the past. Likewise, we can recognize the evil things in scripture, and the good things in scripture. Everyone, DON"T KILL ANY ONE!
Thanks Mr. Bible, couldn't have done it without you! /mindbaffled Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Everyone, DON"T KILL ANY ONE! Thanks Mr. Bible, couldn't have done it without you! /mindbaffled I'm not advocating blind faith. I'm advocating tolerance for all people. Cerberus.Eugene said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Yes we can..and we can do it without religion >_> Valefor.Slipispsycho said: » When you find out someone raped a bunch of kids do you just look passed it? Rape is rape. Rape is evil. Slavery is evil, and we can recognize slavery as evil when it happens now, and we can recognize slavery as evil when it happened in the past. Likewise, we can recognize the evil things in scripture, and the good things in scripture. So here we go.. A rapist today (which is regarded pretty much universally as the worst type of person, there's even people who don't bat an eye at a convicted cold blooded murderer but think rapists deserve to die) is instantly labeled by that one act. Doesn't matter what they did before or after, no matter how much good they did before or after, they're still a rapist. I took your post to say "Christianity/religion has done good and bad things, that the bad can be looked past or accepted and moved on from" in which, I was questioning if you'd do the same for a rapist. Cerberus.Eugene said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Yes we can..and we can do it without religion >_> Quote: and i'm not saying all religions are free from ugly doctrines. there are some ugly teachings out there. Haven't had a need for this in a while:
I don't like to label myself as anything, but to make it clear, I don't believe in God.
But I don't see what's so wrong about people using religion to help themselves get through tough times, or to simply "show them the right path". I don't know if this guy is trolling, felt like telling some random people, or trying to force his religion on people; but what are some of you trying to prove by coming in here and spouting off that your atheist and talking about how the bible says rape is okay? The OP is doing nothing wrong by doing this so-called "cherry picking" from the bible. He's obviously using it to help him through life. Let him do it. If you don't wanna hear what he has to say(or any religious person), then just ignore 'em. Valefor.Slipispsycho said: » Cerberus.Eugene said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Yes we can..and we can do it without religion >_> Valefor.Slipispsycho said: » When you find out someone raped a bunch of kids do you just look passed it? Rape is rape. Rape is evil. Slavery is evil, and we can recognize slavery as evil when it happens now, and we can recognize slavery as evil when it happened in the past. Likewise, we can recognize the evil things in scripture, and the good things in scripture. So here we go.. A rapist today (which is regarded pretty much universally as the worst type of person, there's even people who don't bat an eye at a convicted cold blooded murderer but think rapists deserve to die) is instantly labeled by that one act. Doesn't matter what they did before or after, no matter how much good they did before or after, they're still a rapist. I took your post to say "Christianity/religion has done good and bad things, that the bad can be looked past or accepted and moved on from" in which, I was questioning if you'd do the same for a rapist. Absolutely not; I was paralleling human history (certainly not entirely secular, but what can you do), against a sort of timeline in religious history. You can't divorce past action from current state. What you have done in the past certainly does define who you are at all moments, but only in part. I'm not saying we can forget what the rapist or religion or humans as a race have done. But we are smart enough to recognize there are good and bad deeds, good and bad history. We can choose to follow the good parts, and not continue the bad ones. Rapist is a little sticky of an analogy, because in some ways one rapist has done something that one rapist cannot undo, that rape is in its entirety on that rapist. However, society, state, religion, these are not individuals. These are groups with doctrines and ideals that evolve over time. Religion has done some truly horrific things, and some truly great things. Some of the truly horrific things are in the past, and better people are leading today. Not every religious person is responsible for everything that religion cumulatively did wrong. Well, if he's not doing anything wrong stating his belief, whats wrong with us stating our belief? God knows religious folk get in atheists way, so we can do the same to them. In effect, if he's doing nothing wrong, then we're doing nothing wrong as well.
Asura.Kaisuko said: » If you don't wanna hear what he has to say(or any religious person), then just ignore 'em. Putting the word "Christian" in the title of a thread is just asking for it (regardless of the content). It's like 199% guaranteed to degenerate into a ***throwing contest. Asura.Vrytreya said: » Quote: and i'm not saying all religions are free from ugly doctrines. there are some ugly teachings out there. there are some ugly, disgusting, unjust laws in the united states. Does the fact that I believe there is a right to gay marriage make me unamerican even when its legally not a universal right? Who is trying to prove to anything? He posted in a public forum.. Which means we're all free to express our opinions and thoughts. Just because we don't agree with his view doesn't mean we're trying to prove anything.. Actually, consult some of the other religion threads.. This is pretty damned mild..
@Eugene, thanks for the answer. Had you of tried to go on how that act defines them, I would have a response, but there really is nothing to respond to with your response. It's what I was hoping for, actually. Level-headed people make me happy. Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Well, if he's not doing anything wrong stating his belief, whats wrong with us stating our belief? God knows religious folk get in atheists way, so we can do the same to them. In effect, if he's doing nothing wrong, then we're doing nothing wrong as well. What I do have a problem is with people (not pointing out anyone in particular) saying that you're less of a person because you're religious, or you're atheist, or you're gay, or you're a woman, or you're black, or any other way we can treat another as if they're less of a person than anyone else. Even the liar says at least i dont steal.. the thief says well at least i dont kill... the killer says well at least i dont rape women... the rapist says well at least i dont rape children.. Camon is that how you convinced your self that your not living foul? Comparing your self to people you think are worse then you? Compare your self to Christ and you'll learn the truth.
Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Well, if he's not doing anything wrong stating his belief, whats wrong with us stating our belief? God knows religious folk get in atheists way, so we can do the same to them. In effect, if he's doing nothing wrong, then we're doing nothing wrong as well. Sounds like an excuse I used when I was 7. Also, if you're gunna be non-religious, don't label yourself as something else.. Unless of course you're doing it cause you wanna be hip and cool with all the other rebels of religion. Not making it to heaven is falling short. Just like 2 people swiming to the shore, If one person gets within 500 yards and drowns(A horrible rapist.) And another gets 50 yards from shore but still drowns in shallow water(The decently good person) You both have the same ending. Good better or worse everyone needs Jesus.
Cerberus.Eugene said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Well, if he's not doing anything wrong stating his belief, whats wrong with us stating our belief? God knows religious folk get in atheists way, so we can do the same to them. In effect, if he's doing nothing wrong, then we're doing nothing wrong as well. What I do have a problem is with people (not pointing out anyone in particular) saying that you're less of a person because you're religious, or you're gay, or you're a woman, or you're black, or any other way we can treat another as if they're less of a person than anyone else. I think you're less of a person because you're made out of sticks! Asura.Kaisuko said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Well, if he's not doing anything wrong stating his belief, whats wrong with us stating our belief? God knows religious folk get in atheists way, so we can do the same to them. In effect, if he's doing nothing wrong, then we're doing nothing wrong as well. Sounds like an excuse I used when I was 7. Also, if you're gunna be non-religious, don't label yourself as something else.. Unless of course you're doing it cause you wanna be hip and cool with all the other rebels of religion. right >_> Fairy.Spence said: » Cerberus.Eugene said: » Leviathan.Hohenheim said: » Well, if he's not doing anything wrong stating his belief, whats wrong with us stating our belief? God knows religious folk get in atheists way, so we can do the same to them. In effect, if he's doing nothing wrong, then we're doing nothing wrong as well. What I do have a problem is with people (not pointing out anyone in particular) saying that you're less of a person because you're religious, or you're gay, or you're a woman, or you're black, or any other way we can treat another as if they're less of a person than anyone else. I think you're less of a person because you're made out of sticks! |
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