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By Bismarck.Misao 2012-01-19 18:09:15
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I kinda liked Mega video, asides from the col down period they had, their videos were not plagged by annoying adds, pop ups, and it runned good compared to others
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DOES THIS MEAN MEGAPORN IS GONE TOO DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-01-19 18:11:36
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Yes.


As far as anyone defending Mega, I suggest reading the 72 page indictment.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-19 18:12:03
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Bismarck.Misao said: »
I kinda liked Mega video, asides from the col down period they had, their videos were not plagged by annoying adds, pop ups, and it runned good compared to others
Same, but I rarely used them because I hate getting into something and then a big screen says:

BUY PACKAGE NOW OR YOU WAIT 72 MINUTES!
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By Artemicion 2012-01-19 18:12:05
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Bahamut.Krizz said: »
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I'm confused why you consider it okay for the Government to shut down Megaupload and not for Anonymous to shut down websites in response?
They blatantly distributed files illegally. They intentionally attempted to hide it by doing things such as purposely not listing illegal files in their top 100. They broke the law. They were well aware what they were doing was illegal. They deserve no sympathy.

While the above is true, I think they deserve some fairness as well.
Instilling the guillotine to cut off the site as a whole seems to be an overkill solution, as does arresting the owners and administration rather than collectively targeting the infringing contents and users that would be considered repeat offenders.
If they made an honest attempt to take care of the problem, that would be different. They purposely excluded a clause in their policy concerning repeat offenders. Guess what? That is part of the Safe Harbor provision.

That would warrant the arrest for the owners and administration alike, but I still don't see how that enables them to shut down their site as a whole. Is there no tool available to locate and lock the content at large, or is it simply more convenient to pull the whole plug?
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By Zeyphr 2012-01-19 18:13:17
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Artemicion said: »
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What i don't get is why they decided to shut down Megaupload now. It wasn't exactly a secretive site, it was right in your face.. If they were so serious about stopping Piracy, they would of shut down almost every site without a word of thought. Just don't make much sense to me..

Probably because they had a case to build and they had enough evidence to act upon it. Meanwhile more prolific sites like youtube and whatnot have been at court with companies like Viacom and WMG for years, and have more or less faced a deadlock.

Though it's absolutely no coincidence they decide to do it the moment after the SOPA/PIPA protests.

I understand you need evidence to build the case up and then be allowed to shut down the site. But it's not exactly a hard task, the site and/or it's users are either committing piracy or they aren't.

You don't have to be a genius to see if a site is committing piracy and breaking copyright, like seriously, the amount of albums that are leaked well before the realease date is uncountable, as well as almost anything can be torrented.

This isn't rocket science, if they wanted to stop piracy, they could of shut down half the sites. Not saying i agree with this since i actually use the internet a lot, but come on, if they have the power to do so (as they already shown they have) then why wouldn't they just get it over and done with since half the piracy crimes are right in THEIR FACE! But as someone said, the timing is no accident, it's part of a bigger plan i geuss?
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Artemicion said: »
Bahamut.Krizz said: »
Artemicion said: »
Bahamut.Krizz said: »
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
I'm confused why you consider it okay for the Government to shut down Megaupload and not for Anonymous to shut down websites in response?
They blatantly distributed files illegally. They intentionally attempted to hide it by doing things such as purposely not listing illegal files in their top 100. They broke the law. They were well aware what they were doing was illegal. They deserve no sympathy.

While the above is true, I think they deserve some fairness as well.
Instilling the guillotine to cut off the site as a whole seems to be an overkill solution, as does arresting the owners and administration rather than collectively targeting the infringing contents and users that would be considered repeat offenders.
If they made an honest attempt to take care of the problem, that would be different. They purposely excluded a clause in their policy concerning repeat offenders. Guess what? That is part of the Safe Harbor provision.

That would warrant the arrest for the owners and administration alike, but I still don't see how that enables them to shut down their site as a whole. Is there no tool available to locate and lock the content at large, or is it simply more convenient to pull the whole plug?
Only thing I notice is if a company wants megavideo/upload to stop hosting something they can only shut down 1 link.

Or they do a quick search and call it done.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-19 18:13:52
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Artemicion said: »
Bahamut.Krizz said: »
Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
I'm confused why you consider it okay for the Government to shut down Megaupload and not for Anonymous to shut down websites in response?
They blatantly distributed files illegally. They intentionally attempted to hide it by doing things such as purposely not listing illegal files in their top 100. They broke the law. They were well aware what they were doing was illegal. They deserve no sympathy.

While the above is true, I think they deserve some fairness as well.
Instilling the guillotine to cut off the site as a whole seems to be an overkill solution, as does arresting the owners and administration rather than collectively targeting the infringing contents and users that would be considered repeat offenders.

I agree with both of you to an extent.

As a person who creates websites, I should not have to fear that the government will go after me when I make tools that users can misuse.

If a kid gets hit by a car, we don't sue Toyota.

When someone is using a pickaxe and breaks their foot, we don't sue Black and Decker.
If Toyota was aware that the person driving the car was going to hit the kid and then hit another kid, and another... and did nothing to stop it then we actually would hold them accountable.

Edit: also, Toyota doesn't profit from the driver of the car hitting the kid.
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-01-19 18:13:55
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Artemicion said: »
That would warrant the arrest for the owners and administration alike, but I still don't see how that enables them to shut down their site as a whole. Is there no tool available to locate and lock the content at large, or is it simply more convenient to pull the whole plug?
They seized the domain name, but I saw nothing about forcing the shutdown.
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By Bismarck.Misao 2012-01-19 18:14:17
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Bismarck.Misao said: »
I kinda liked Mega video, asides from the col down period they had, their videos were not plagged by annoying adds, pop ups, and it runned good compared to others
Same, but I rarely used them because I hate getting into something and then a big screen says:

BUY PACKAGE NOW OR YOU WAIT 72 MINUTES!
yes, this.
jumping back and forth between services was a nice way to go about it tho
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-19 18:16:06
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What I don't get is I never hear anyone getting busted for distributing copyright content before the release date.

I see/hear plenty of it, but never any actions on the people who do it.
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By Artemicion 2012-01-19 18:18:25
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Zeyphr said: »
Artemicion said: »
Zeyphr said: »
What i don't get is why they decided to shut down Megaupload now. It wasn't exactly a secretive site, it was right in your face.. If they were so serious about stopping Piracy, they would of shut down almost every site without a word of thought. Just don't make much sense to me..

Probably because they had a case to build and they had enough evidence to act upon it. Meanwhile more prolific sites like youtube and whatnot have been at court with companies like Viacom and WMG for years, and have more or less faced a deadlock.

Though it's absolutely no coincidence they decide to do it the moment after the SOPA/PIPA protests.

I understand you need evidence to build the case up and then be allowed to shut down the site. But it's not exactly a hard task, the site and/or it's users are either committing piracy or they aren't.

You don't have to be a genius to see if a site is committing piracy and breaking copyright, like seriously, the amount of albums that are leaked well before the realease date is uncountable, as well as almost anything can be torrented.

This isn't rocket science, if they wanted to stop piracy, they could of shut down half the sites. Not saying i agree with this since i actually use the internet a lot, but come on, if they have the power to do so (as they already shown they have) then why wouldn't they just get it over and done with since half the piracy crimes are right in THEIR FACE! But as someone said, the timing is no accident, it's part of a bigger plan i geuss?

I don't have too many qualms about what happened, because it was a matter of failure to self police and willingly archiving content that has long since been under request of removal from those that contain the rights of intellectual ownership. However, the whole thing is a very precise surgical procedure, while shutting down the whole site seems to be a sledge hammer rather than a scalpel, thus stepping on those that had legitimate use and purposes therein as well.
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By Asura.Leonlionheart 2012-01-19 18:18:40
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Mmm... for all of you who go through the tedium of megavideo itself, you might take a look at icefilms.info if megaupload ever comes back. Download an app and use their links and you can watch pretty much anything, sometimes even before it's release. Unfortunately they don't have much in the way of foreign tv/movies beyond England.
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By Zeyphr 2012-01-19 18:20:13
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
What I don't get is I never hear anyone getting busted for distributing copyright content before the release date.

I see/hear plenty of it, but never any actions on the people who do it.


It's probobly the company itself that allows the content to be leaked, according to one of my friends who works in show biz anyway.
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By Zeyphr 2012-01-19 18:22:16
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Artemicion said: »
Zeyphr said: »
Artemicion said: »
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What i don't get is why they decided to shut down Megaupload now. It wasn't exactly a secretive site, it was right in your face.. If they were so serious about stopping Piracy, they would of shut down almost every site without a word of thought. Just don't make much sense to me..

Probably because they had a case to build and they had enough evidence to act upon it. Meanwhile more prolific sites like youtube and whatnot have been at court with companies like Viacom and WMG for years, and have more or less faced a deadlock.

Though it's absolutely no coincidence they decide to do it the moment after the SOPA/PIPA protests.

I understand you need evidence to build the case up and then be allowed to shut down the site. But it's not exactly a hard task, the site and/or it's users are either committing piracy or they aren't.

You don't have to be a genius to see if a site is committing piracy and breaking copyright, like seriously, the amount of albums that are leaked well before the realease date is uncountable, as well as almost anything can be torrented.

This isn't rocket science, if they wanted to stop piracy, they could of shut down half the sites. Not saying i agree with this since i actually use the internet a lot, but come on, if they have the power to do so (as they already shown they have) then why wouldn't they just get it over and done with since half the piracy crimes are right in THEIR FACE! But as someone said, the timing is no accident, it's part of a bigger plan i geuss?

I don't have too many qualms about what happened, because it was a matter of failure to self police and willingly archiving content that has long since been under request of removal from those that contain the rights of intellectual ownership. However, the whole thing is a very precise surgical procedure, while shutting down the whole site seems to be a sledge hammer rather than a scalpel, thus stepping on those that had legitimate use and purposes therein as well.

Well there trying to get their point accross i'd assume. Selecting and going through 50 million users to find culprits committing piracy would take a long time and not have much of a impact as shutting down a whole site. There trying to show they mean buisness, closing a whole site, or as Krizz said, seizing the domain name has a much more bigger and frightful impact than just selecting a few people and still leaving a site like Megaupload to still run.
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Asura.Leonlionheart said: »
Mmm... for all of you who go through the tedium of megavideo itself, you might take a look at icefilms.info if megaupload ever comes back. Download an app and use their links and you can watch pretty much anything, sometimes even before it's release. Unfortunately they don't have much in the way of foreign tv/movies beyond England.
Never heard of that site >.>

and lol@their statment:

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As many of you may already be aware, even without the passing of the SOPA/PIPA internet censorship bills, the corrupt US Govt. has managed to shutdown Megaupload. It is our hope and our belief that this will not be permanent. As the 13th most visited website in the world, Megaupload has vast financial resources and top tier lawyers at their disposal. We expect their website to back up soon. More details on this appalling act of corruption can be found here:

http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-shut-down-120119/
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Mega Conspiracy, lol.

I'd like to meet the child who drafted that.
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Zeyphr said: »
Artemicion said: »
Zeyphr said: »
Artemicion said: »
Zeyphr said: »
What i don't get is why they decided to shut down Megaupload now. It wasn't exactly a secretive site, it was right in your face.. If they were so serious about stopping Piracy, they would of shut down almost every site without a word of thought. Just don't make much sense to me..

Probably because they had a case to build and they had enough evidence to act upon it. Meanwhile more prolific sites like youtube and whatnot have been at court with companies like Viacom and WMG for years, and have more or less faced a deadlock.

Though it's absolutely no coincidence they decide to do it the moment after the SOPA/PIPA protests.

I understand you need evidence to build the case up and then be allowed to shut down the site. But it's not exactly a hard task, the site and/or it's users are either committing piracy or they aren't.

You don't have to be a genius to see if a site is committing piracy and breaking copyright, like seriously, the amount of albums that are leaked well before the realease date is uncountable, as well as almost anything can be torrented.

This isn't rocket science, if they wanted to stop piracy, they could of shut down half the sites. Not saying i agree with this since i actually use the internet a lot, but come on, if they have the power to do so (as they already shown they have) then why wouldn't they just get it over and done with since half the piracy crimes are right in THEIR FACE! But as someone said, the timing is no accident, it's part of a bigger plan i geuss?

I don't have too many qualms about what happened, because it was a matter of failure to self police and willingly archiving content that has long since been under request of removal from those that contain the rights of intellectual ownership. However, the whole thing is a very precise surgical procedure, while shutting down the whole site seems to be a sledge hammer rather than a scalpel, thus stepping on those that had legitimate use and purposes therein as well.

Well there trying to get their point accross i'd assume. Selecting and going through 50 million users to find culprits committing piracy would take a long time and not have much of a impact as shutting down a whole site. There trying to show they mean buisness, closing a whole site, or as Krizz said, seizing the domain name has a much more bigger and frightful impact than just selecting a few people and still leaving a site like Megaupload to still run.

Yes, due process seems to have become rather inconvenient for the process of protecting one's intellectual property. But it hold it's purpose for a good reason. To see it blatantly ignored and the site as a whole shut down still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-19 18:24:12
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What I don't get is I never hear anyone getting busted for distributing copyright content before the release date.

I see/hear plenty of it, but never any actions on the people who do it.


It's probobly the company itself that allows the content to be leaked, according to one of my friends who works in show biz anyway.
Why would they do that...lol

<.< that makes no sense at all
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-01-19 18:24:48
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Zeyphr said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
What I don't get is I never hear anyone getting busted for distributing copyright content before the release date.

I see/hear plenty of it, but never any actions on the people who do it.


It's probobly the company itself that allows the content to be leaked, according to one of my friends who works in show biz anyway.
Why would they do that...lol

<.< that makes no sense at all
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Zeyphr said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
What I don't get is I never hear anyone getting busted for distributing copyright content before the release date.

I see/hear plenty of it, but never any actions on the people who do it.


It's probobly the company itself that allows the content to be leaked, according to one of my friends who works in show biz anyway.
Why would they do that...lol

<.< that makes no sense at all

Leverage.
Leaked material is the least of their concerns if it can be used as a tool to manipulate higher authority to act in their interests for future and greater ambitions. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but really it's a logical and smart course of action to carry out their ends.
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By Asura.Leonlionheart 2012-01-19 18:25:52
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Asura.Leonlionheart said: »
Mmm... for all of you who go through the tedium of megavideo itself, you might take a look at icefilms.info if megaupload ever comes back. Download an app and use their links and you can watch pretty much anything, sometimes even before it's release. Unfortunately they don't have much in the way of foreign tv/movies beyond England.
Never heard of that site >.>

and lol@their statment:

Quote:
As many of you may already be aware, even without the passing of the SOPA/PIPA internet censorship bills, the corrupt US Govt. has managed to shutdown Megaupload. It is our hope and our belief that this will not be permanent. As the 13th most visited website in the world, Megaupload has vast financial resources and top tier lawyers at their disposal. We expect their website to back up soon. More details on this appalling act of corruption can be found here:

http://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-shut-down-120119/

That's what I was talking about on page... 2 I think. Really worked better than anything else out there, and still does to a very small extent with zshare files instead of MU files.

As for MU coming back, it doesn't seem likely but it's possible.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-19 18:26:08
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Idk, I don't usually watch movies twice unless they are that well made. I usually know beforehand though and go see it in theaters and buy the dvd (bluray).
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By Zeyphr 2012-01-19 18:28:38
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Artemicion said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Zeyphr said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
What I don't get is I never hear anyone getting busted for distributing copyright content before the release date.

I see/hear plenty of it, but never any actions on the people who do it.


It's probobly the company itself that allows the content to be leaked, according to one of my friends who works in show biz anyway.
Why would they do that...lol

<.< that makes no sense at all

Leverage.
Leaked material is the least of their concerns if it can be used as a tool to manipulate higher authority to act in their interests for future and greater ambitions. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but really it's a logical and smart course of action to carry out their ends.

Pretty much this, they plan everything. Even if material is leaked, it can still work to their likings. Someone watching a movie may like it and recomend it to the family to go and watch at the cinema. But overall, Artemicion got it spot on.
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By Artemicion 2012-01-19 18:30:31
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That's one thing that's always puzzled me.
Movies are a huge cash cow in both box office and subsequent media format releases. However, the nature of films themselves tend to lack a sort of replay and thus monetary value after all is said and done. Even further expansions of merchandise such as clothing and toys will be nothing more than a pillow after the movie has had it's time in the limelight.
True success in a film IMO is one that is one that retains a timeless presence and mention well after it's release.

But I suppose financial success is not the same as sentimental success. Apocalypse Now will be forever a timeless title to me but will never measure up to the legacy of money Avatar reeled in despite being a mediocre film at best.
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Zeyphr said: »
Artemicion said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Zeyphr said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
What I don't get is I never hear anyone getting busted for distributing copyright content before the release date.

I see/hear plenty of it, but never any actions on the people who do it.


It's probobly the company itself that allows the content to be leaked, according to one of my friends who works in show biz anyway.
Why would they do that...lol

<.< that makes no sense at all

Leverage.
Leaked material is the least of their concerns if it can be used as a tool to manipulate higher authority to act in their interests for future and greater ambitions. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but really it's a logical and smart course of action to carry out their ends.

Pretty much this, they plan everything. Even if material is leaked, it can still work to their likings. Someone watching a movie may like it and recomend it to the family to go and watch at the cinema. But overall, Artemicion got it spot on.
Ohhhhhhh okay gotcha
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Artemicion said: »
That's one thing that's always puzzled me.
Movies are a huge cash cow in both box office and subsequent media format releases. However, the nature of films themselves tend to lack a sort of replay and thus monetary value after all is said and done. Even further expansions of merchandise such as clothing and toys will be nothing more than a pillow after the movie has had it's time in the limelight.
True success in a film IMO is one that is one that retains a timeless presence and mention well after it's release.
I really only care about one thing when I see a movie

Do I want to see this again?

If I don't I kinda felt that I wasted my money, unless it's just on that line of no I'm not going to likely want to see it again but it was decent.
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By Zeyphr 2012-01-19 18:33:52
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Artemicion said: »
That's one thing that's always puzzled me.
Movies are a huge cash cow in both box office and subsequent media format releases. However, the nature of films themselves tend to lack a sort of replay and thus monetary value after all is said and done. Even further expansions of merchandise such as clothing and toys will be nothing more than a pillow after the movie has had it's time in the limelight.
True success in a film IMO is one that is one that retains a timeless presence and mention well after it's release.

Paranormal Activity is all i gotta say. This film has cashed in soo much money it's unreal. The sequals are pretty much mimics of the first one with fresh new ideas and scenes just replaying the same ghostly features.

When you can cash in 500 million dollars/euros/pounds by making a simple film that allows further films to be made, you won't be focussing on making it memorable. After all, it's all about money to them.
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I love Avatar :(

but don't start that debate... ._.
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Zeyphr said: »
Artemicion said: »
That's one thing that's always puzzled me.
Movies are a huge cash cow in both box office and subsequent media format releases. However, the nature of films themselves tend to lack a sort of replay and thus monetary value after all is said and done. Even further expansions of merchandise such as clothing and toys will be nothing more than a pillow after the movie has had it's time in the limelight.
True success in a film IMO is one that is one that retains a timeless presence and mention well after it's release.

Paranormal Activity is all i gotta say. This film has cashed in soo much money it's unreal. The sequals are pretty much mimics of the first one with fresh new ideas and scenes just replaying the same ghostly features.

When you can cash in 500 million dollars/euros/pounds by making a simple film that allows further films to be made, you won't be focussing on making it memorable. After all, it's all about money to them.
eh... they are okay. Interesting... but nothing really is ever scary lol >.>
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