Christians: We Arent Trying To Condemn Anyone

If you reject the Bible as being corrupted then you've destroyed any leg you had to stand on and have ventured into heresy. Be glad you're born in this time where the religious fundies can't burn you alive for making statements you've made. The 'perfect' form of the Bible? If we don't have it then God has doomed everyone to Hell due to a lack of the proper reading materials or we've been making it up as we go along.

An all powerful divine being who embodies good would not be so incompetent as to let his masterpiece fall out of the sights of men. Cmon.

Without the Bible as a compass your faith is merely a projection of the time period you live in. Had you been born in the Middle East you'd be Islamic with Allah at your back, Odin had you been born in Scandinavia or perhaps a Wiccan in our present day. You only know Christianity because you were likely born into it much like out there in the jungles of Brazil native peoples live with beliefs of spirits in the animals and trees.

The Middle East is the way it is precisely because of their religious beliefs which aren't too far from what Christianity was during the age of converting pagans by the sword. Christians like to point and yell "barbarians" but what the fundamentalist Islamic leaders do now was no different than what Christians did in the New World a few generations back.

History, don't ignore it.

There be documentaries proving he be real. >:I

So the high road is not interfering with their personal choices and not choosing to wish ill will or w/e on them.

I mean if you follow the flow of language it appears like this:


Which implies not being a homosexual is the high road.

Possibly a communication error...

If I hated him, I would not be preaching.

More than anything, I feel full of sorrow. I am full of sadness for Evandis.

And above that a notch, I have forgiveness.

I'm kind of like the Tenth Doctor.

No one is saying you have to have faith. That's your choice. But the lack of evidence isn't proof that something doesn't exist or didn't happen.

As much as I disagree with pretty much everything Evandis said and I kind of truthfully think he's a douche, I think you guys are taking it a bit far on the homosexuality thing.

If he considers it a sin, leave him be. He's not spewing hatred or nonsense about how he wants to save their confused soul from hell. Yes his view is a bit bigoted in my opinion, but believe it or not his opinion is one a lot of people have, but that does not necessarily stop them from being friends with someone who is gay or actually hate and discriminate against them.

I am in agreement with this statement. Him and king kong play poker together.

If there's no evidence, there's no reason to believe it. Why should we?

If you recall in the beginning we are starting with one law at a time, remember?

Saying homosexuality is a sin, is in fact condemning it.

Wasn't really directed at you. There has been at least one person that told him to kill himself already and well we all know about Jet.

hatred is acceptable at times.

I hate slavery, genocide, murder, rape, pillaging etc.

That statement is impossible to answer. You have given me nothing to use to make a determination.

Unless you are saying who is a better person a homosexual that raises another person's child or a person who gives birth to and raises their own child.

In that case, still neither, because you could have substituted a straight couple who adopted in place of the homosexual. Homosexuality really means nothing in that example.

Uh, false. Sin can be forgiven.

That's a question each person has to ask themselves. YMMV.

Copout.

Why should we believe in Garden Gnomes?

Some of these arguments remind me of arguments I've had with a g/f. It's like nitpicking at every little thing that you can find. You prove it. no you disprove it. I don't have to disprove if you can't prove. Not rational! you're mom! ignorant son of a ***. You were looking at her *** weren't you. I was looking at her breasts damnit!

Actually, it does, and your refusal to acknowledge the implications of sexuality outside of sexual behavior and desires does not make them go away. It's also the crucial reason your "sin not the sinner" argument is so horridly flawed.

Always looking at the ***.
But then, so is my girl. <3

what about me?

you have yet to answer me earlier as to what "problem"

you are painting me as a bigot and I am nothing of the sort.

Ok I see where the problem is.

Labeling something as a sin, is not condemning it?

If so then why would it need to be forgiven in the first place?

Let me guess... you're going to apply that to religion and then say that's why you hate it!

How am I a bigot. I am not intolerant to homosexuals. I wish no ill will on them, I do not try to prevent them from living their lives as they wish. I do not go around calling them mean slurs. Someone is not a bigot because they disagree with homosexuality. Someone is a bigot when they maliciously and purposefully attempt to harm a person who engages in this activity.

no I've already explained my disgust for religion and it's what allows it, I don't generalize it based on it's products, I reserve the disgusts for each religion to each religion.

(hint: it's the thing that allows religion to propagate)

For one you mentioned God as being a ***. You fan the flames Jet. Like most conversations on the boards you come in armed with your opinions, labeling them as fact and pretty much pissing someone off every time. You speak down to and generally hate on a group of people for their beliefs. I mean I don't know what else that is.

Edit: I also don't get where your sense of superiority comes from.

Hate breeds Hate.

I need a drink.

I feel like you are just mincing words here.

Either which way, the point you are going around, is I have not stated, nor do I believe that homosexuality is unforgivable and automatically eliminates all hope that a person can enter Heaven. For all I know, I won't enter because of my sins, numerous as some may be, could be viewed by God as more egregious.

God forbids it, that's why you have to apologize to him. If you choose not to believe in God, then you shouldn't be worried about it. It's almost like you would rather all religious people walk around and tell you that you are going to burn in hell, because it would make you feel right 100% of the time.