[dev1047] New Battle System: Legion

I still do not understand the logic of SE on the voidwatch drop system.

Two ways I could see it working... and making people much happier...

1st being that R/E items can be dropped into the loot pool. And only R/E items, the other NQ stuff has to be pulled out by each individual. This would prevent the loot pool from getting the "DDoS" issue that they claimed was their reason for not doing it. Something about a single run generating 100+ drops from a single NM. Dump R/E items as an option.

Or....

2nd option anything that is R/E that also said player already has, will be re-rolled until everyone with the item in the alliance has been checked, and only the people remaining that have not gotten the item will be the ones that will randomly see it in their chest.

Either way the kick in the nuts is a lot less noticeable since each run can have a much greater number of players that walk away happy.

The first option would be something that an honorable LS could run, if SE feels that most of their players are reliably upstanding they would pick that one.

The second option is if SE thinks we are not trustworthy. In the end the system would be fixed regardless and everyone would feel much happier about it.

edit: And for the complaint about once people get the item they will no longer attend voidwatch, anytime a player with the R/E has been checked and the system moves on to the next player, that "Checked" player who already has the item get's a heavy metal plate in it's place. Hell this makes it so that repeating the content becomes even more interesting and a better flow of the supply of heavy metal! I think I just broke the game and fixed it at the same time! Give me cookies!

Not to mention that people would be much more willing to spam the NM even if no heavy metal plates showed up because if only one person in the alliance wants the item, there is a very good shot they will get it within an 18 man alliance that does the standard 4 battle cycle.

18x4 = 72 possible drops that could show up for that one person, in under 1 hour. I would like to see better odds on older content with one mob, one set of drops, and a time spawn condition.

There is no reason to have an LS bank and there never was. People go "oh, but if there is a bank it can help you buy things!"

Guess what? If you simply sell and split the profit amongst the members, they will have the gil to buy what they need (dynamis glass, limbus, einherjar, temp items for events, ammo, etc)

They were ALWAYS just a scam.

lol, people can be so paranoid >.>

Sadly.

Lol its not being paranoid. I guess you never heard all those stories about people running off with their LS banks? Go look at the BG warning section.

Really, no one can give a good reason why there should be a bank. Its just leaders having control over you.

ALWAYS, huh? Wow that's weird because... I've been in the same shell for almost 2 yrs now, we've had a bank the whole time and no drama has been generated because of it. The shell before that I ran successfully for 6 yrs, we kept a bank as well (did payouts too) and I had no problems with that group either.

Again, opinion != fact. Obviously some people see a good enough reason to use them, since they've been around almost as long a Linkshell groups.

So a long standing linkshell of 5-6 years is going to scam you and run off with the bank? Brilliant.

LS bank is so the LS pays for Leaders/Friends Relics. Duh

I think ls banks are complete bs. Was in a lolendgame shell that kept a bank and it, approx 20M, 2 K-clubs, and enough dyna currency to fund a relic went to a Sh when the leader decided he wanted to quit.

I've been running a shell for almost 2 years now and have a bank that has a 0 balance the first week of each month as it is entirely for pay-outs. Only exception is the gil that people don't collect. that goes on a mule until they get ig.

ls banks are bs and ls's that have em are corrupted. No one can convince me otherwise.

No, because if they are making money off those people and able to use the bank for their own purposes, they have no reason to run because they found a good way to use people to make their money.

Honestly, tell me why keep a bank when you can just give players their share so they can buy what they need?

I don't agree with banks holding millions of gil and not giving it out to members, as a bank doesn't need much gil to operate for events anyways.

If you were in a linkshell that had a 100 mil bank, what did you think was going to happen.

A bank is completely unneccessary in 2012. Just have the people attending the event split the cost of the entry fee/have them all buy a popset/etc.

So we agree then. LS banks are pointless.

Hurray for impasses...? Oh well.

I don't agree with what the linkshell did here, no linkshell should be holding that much gil for the bank alone.

This is what banks should be for, if anything could be added to that that would be to pay for entry fee's and pop items.

I don't think linkshells should be making relics, should be buying currency, or anything like that.

You shouldn't be joining linkshells with massive banks, because the only thing that can lead to is corruption, but banks that save gil from selling items and distribute to members benefits every single member in the group, and linkshells that display what sells and what they buy are by far the best and most trustworthy.

I kept record of what was sold, and bought, by the linkshell and displayed it on the linkshell site. Everytime the bank got over a certain amount or monthly, depending on what came first, the bank was divided between members.

You can disagree with having a bank all you want, point is linkshells can support a bank in 2012 no matter what you think about them. No, linkshells don't need one, but having one is nice if handled appropriately.

I still consider what you have as a bank, but the difference between yours and the example you provided first is that yours was being handled properly.

I shudder to think of what you would be like in a debate with your blanket proclamations. As I stated above, selling and splitting the profit amongst the members is what I do with my LS bank once it reaches a certain balance. If you are advocating doing it AFTER each event or even weekly, then sorry, no. I have a full time job and don't have the wherewithal to chase people down for gil splits every day or week. Nor do my members expect me to do so. If you are also advocating having members contribute gil every single time the LS does sky/sea/Einherjar/Legion, then sorry, no again. I am not going to sit there with a checklist each time my LS enters Ein or Legion to see if every person in the ally gave me their fraction of the entry cost. I am not going to divide what I spent on sky/sea pops and make sure I get reimbursed by every person in the ally at Kirin or AV. That is what PUG's do. My LS TRUSTS me to handle that stuff.


See above. Also, the suggestion that each person attending an event should buy a sky/sea popset is impractical.


Agreed with Kalilla on this. I would consider what you have a LS bank too, except the first example you described is egregiously wrong and the second example is closer to what I do. Banks should be transparent and periodically cleared out for payouts and such, with a minimum left over for Ein/Legion/sky/sea pops. You and Kimble make the same sorts of blanket fear-induced proclamations. Clearly, there is some sort of history on Sylph of people running off with LS banks. Don't project that on me or Kalilla.

Update on topic today:

01-23-2012 05:28 PM [source]
Camate Community Rep	Heya everyone I got word back from the development team about the point system. It's as most have been saying, you will receive points for every monster that you defeat. Regardless of how many players are participating, everyone will receive the same amount of points and the amount gained will not change based on difficulty (18 person/ 36 person).
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thats cool i guess, so you could always go in and farm points even if you can't beat the megaboss.

i wonder if the rewards for points will differ from the rewards dropped from mobs though. :o

The names for NMs in Legion are pretty lame.

Paramount Botulus

The items you can purchase with points will be entirely different than the ones you can receive form inside.

I have all the updates combined in the OP if you ever want to read through them.

Gonna laugh when you cannot buy the really good stuff with points, just more Pahluwan gear.

edit: NVM see above.

Also


LOL

No, there is a history on every server about this, lol.

As long as you pay out (id say every 1-2 weeks) thats fine. Also, there is no need to buy pop items. You can farm them during events or even have people farm up pop items on their own time, as you can pretty much solo and 2-3 man pretty much all of them.

Im fine with keeping enough to buy einherjar and legion stuff, but keeping more then what you need is just bad business.

I run a ls bank system back when there was Gil to be made but what I did was gather the Gil drops sell ASAP on ah so everyone could c what they went for then split the Gil's by whoever was there they new where the Gil was when stuff sold I never chased my guys they would message me when they were ready to collect never had 1 issue my guys know I wouldn't screw em over and I trust my guys to lend em whatever they need if I have it or have the Gil's. I onno that's the way I like to run stuff but to each his own I guess

Just a random thought for people who use bank systems for VW, what's keeping people from just taking their gil drops and selling them off on another char/ friends char? Then they could be using DKP for other people's drops while keeping all the money drops for themselves.

Nobody even wants to step foot into sky or sea anymore, either in LS event time or on their own. I've tried to offer DKP incentive too. It just doesn't work. It's far easier to buy pop items in Port Jeuno. We will sometimes farm stuff that is very rarely in bazaars, such as Jailer of Temp virtues and Ix'drg deeds.



Just the honor system. When you do VW over a long period of time with the same group of people, it is readily apparent which people offer up their gil drops for DKP'ing. For those I suspect who do not, of course I can't prove anything barring convenient AH sales. But since it's so few occurrences, the LS bank always has enough funds for our activities and payouts.

Well, if no one wants to do sky or sea anymore, doesnt sound like much reason to buy pop items for those events.

In all honestly, I don't mean its bad to keep a running total then pay out. I'm talking about those LS that will hold the profits and don't pay out at all or will only like you take out so much. I also don't expect anyone to track down members to give them their cut. Most will come for theirs anyways.

I was in an LS that had events pretty much all the time, and camped HNM most of the time. You could trade in points for gil (which is dumb) but even then you were only allowed to take out so much (even if your share was far greater then what you were allowed to take out) And their reasoning was "this LS isnt here for you to make gil, if you want to make gil, do it on your own time" which was hard to do back then considering witht he amount of events they had, there was never any free time unless you didn't work.

Its systems like those that are a rip off and what I consider a bank. Holding on for a few weeks then paying out to all the members isn't really so much of a bank to me.

Er, meant that they DO want to do Kirin/AV, they hate farming for them though. Sorry, didn't make that clear. They enjoy the convenience of buying pops basically. They still want W. Legs and Ninurta Sashes/Aureoles/Novio Earrings etc.

Why not make it so everyone buys KI to enter and let ppl enter till room fills up like WoE ? :o

Because then it doesn't support big LSs and it's just WoE2.