[dev1047] New Battle System: Legion

I noticed that after also. But I was all like "I f*cking love slushes. Blue raspberry ftw."

Slushing stays as is. :p

They said it wouldn't be staggering or type of damage ***involved in this event ..its pure brute force for 30 mins but i suppose each HNM has its own way to be killed and that's when strategy will kick in? ppl already asking if they can get it done with 6 lol come on the base of this event is mass groups of ppl fighting its easy math more ppl = more HNM dead = more stuff. If they actually make it possible that only 6 can get it done i hope it only drops logs to em!

this dog has human eyes

I don't like it. Gonna be alot of bs about you dont have the job to use that item, or I'm LS leader i get it or i paid i get it lol. Your own chest is the way to go because we know everyone is greedy about new gear.

Then find a Linkshell that isn't run by a selfish douchenozzle. They do still exist though from the way a few people in the thread are talking, it's apparently like seeing a unicorn.

this is not new, have been always like that back on hnmls times, even when abyssea used to be the main event, linkshells just died now because voidwatch content/everything being soloable/mule now

Agreed. I know of a few on Lakshmi that still exist and I'm sure they exist on other servers. I am one of the leaders of my own shell. Just need to find one that has a transparent DKP system that does not benefit the leaders over the members in any way. If they still have a LS bank (as mine does), it will foot the bill for Einherjars and Legions.

There is NO reason to have an LS bank in FFXI anymore. It only leads to corruption and there's much more efficient ways of doing things now.

1.) Join linkshell
2.) Seduce linkshell leader
3.) Supersede DKP
3.5) Get items you want
4.) Cheat on linkshell leader with co-leader
5.) Linkshell breaks
6.) 8)

I am aware. I've been playing since near NA release.

^This. It shouldn't be that hard to get a feel for the quality of the LS & Officers from the shell's recruitment process. This is not, of course, saying "it's foolproof" or that you'll get 100% information that way but, yeah. If they're not forthcoming about their recordkeeping systems, run.

Opinion != Fact. Some people do still work on Salvage equipment, and where's the harm in using a bank to pay for or at least lessen the cost of things like Einherjar & this upcoming event's entry fee?

LS leader recoups said expenditures with drops/sellables. I live in an awesome dreamworld though that became reality. It doesn't work for people that trust their neighbor more than their own intuition.

I sure wouldn't mind a little more uniformity...I'd love to have more kids in my LS and do things *gasp* together to benefit mysel...err everyone. I don't mind managing things, since I pocket all the gil, I mean painstakingly make sure everyone gets something and be as fair as possible. I'm from asura, there's no way I could be an honest leader...right?

At the end of the day, there are going to be people who just want to play and leave the 'details' to other people to figure out. Hopefully Eindynazuloider Islewatch I mean Legion, will help make people want to stick with the same groups after having successful runs...or maybe they'll bandwagon jump after all this solo/duo abyssea corruption. At least I have a stable group to build from, I'm thankful for that.


Also, I fully support slushing.

Tomato/Tomaahto.

Your sarcasm is as needless as it is pointless. I'm not knocking it if a certain system works for you but it's not the only valid method. Broad sweeping statements don't help anyone.

I honestly don't have a clue what people are talking about corrupt leaders and such, I guess I've just been too damn lucky for my own good or maybe it's that I don't blame others for my misfortune when I know damn well what the rules were when I joined the linkshell and the players I teamed up with.

Do you have to agree with linkshell rules? In my opinion if you are joining the linkshell you have to. If the linkshell isn't upfront about every rule you shouldn't be apart of the group. If the linkshell is showing any signs of favoritism you shouldn't be in the group. If you think there is corruption you shouldn't be in the group.

I don't get people who stay. You can have the opinion that a linkshell is unfair, or corrupt, but if you choose to stay with it while having that opinion of it you are so foolish.


Instead of sitting there and crying about it before the event has even been released on the main servers, take the initiative and spend the time you have left to form your own group.

You'll have the power, and after all since you can't trust any linkshell leader to do things right then this is a huge benefit for you. You'll have more time without rush to evaluate your members and get rid of people who can't be trusted, who you feel will jump ship (and if they don't stick around until the event starts that also shows who will be willing to jump after they get something they want).

If you wait, and then are still unsatisfied with groups doing this one event (even though you'll have nyzul to do lowman) then you only have yourself to blame. If you procrastinate and wait to join a group at the last minute that you have no idea about what they do or who they are and it turns out they are "corrupt" as so many linkshells apparently are then you have only yourself to blame. If you do nothing and sit there and pout because you don't like the event and you don't get your own chest then... well what did you expect? The lotting system is there for a reason, and just because you can't trust one other player in this entire game doesn't mean SE should all of a sudden drop the system and start giving chests for each player after every single event or even after every NM fight, because lets face it:

The problem isn't that the system doesn't work, the problem is every single person who is a linkshell leader, linkshell sack holder, or just a member of any linkshell, is corrupt, and cannot be trusted.

I'd like to support this comment but I mean, everyone knows Kalilla can't be trusted.

lol <3

Do you have ANY idea of the amount of sellable items a LS can get in Dynamis, WoE and Voidwatch that members do not lot out with DKP? It is STAGGERING. In my LS, the LS leaders collect all the excess items people don't want, liquidate them, and distribute the proceeds as LS payouts to the members based on attendance. We also use some of the proceeds for Einherjar lamps and sky/sea pops so that we spare our LS members from torturous farming of level 75 content just to get Kirin/AV pops. We must be doing something right, my LS is over 7 years old and still gets 25+ members on average to each event in 2012.

More to the point, do you have ANY idea of anybody else's reality other than your own experience?

Yeah I always get a good laugh out of the "Amagad! All LS's are corrupt.. All Leaders are thieves... why are you trying to make me come into contact with other people in a MMO!!!oneoneone"

Complain less. If you have trust issues start your own LS like has been mentioned. Stop acting like because you've had a bad experience or two that is representative of every other player on every other server.

At the end of the day the LS's that stick together, and have good people in them will excel at Legion. Meanwhile there will be the usual amount of whiners who look at their success, and cry foul. Most times simply because they are jealous.

Your LS sounds wonderful, wish mine lasted through the abyssea plague that wiped us all out. Seriously /jealous :(

Come to Lakshmi Kal, comeeeeeeee ;;

dynamis as ls events and woe? (unless your ls members refuses to break the cap 75....) what sellable you talking about? woe pool is personal, same as voidwatch, is designed to get rid of ls banks and corruption/favoritism.

Dynamis NM's in the Arch boss system.

As for WoE/VW, we work around the personal loot restrictions. Each sellable item worth over 200,000 is collected by the leaders and put into the kitty for lotting out by DKP. If somebody lots it by DKP, a portion is given to the person who gave it up from their chest. If nobody wants it, it is sold, with a portion going to the LS bank and a portion going to the person who gave it up from their chest. My LS members are happy to offer up the contents of their chests since it means they have equal access to lot the non-rare/ex contents of OTHER peoples' chests. Everything goes by the DKP rather than SE's arbitrary loot system.

The system is slightly imperfect insofar as it depends on the honor system. You can't know if every single piece of loot is offered up from a personal chest. However, THAT aspect rests on player corruption, not LS corruption as your concern was stated. It works enough to give my members substantial payouts, free Einherjars (and now Legions), free items for tough zergs, access to lot most VW drops through DKP, and relief from drone-farming of sky/sea.

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to me this is an example of SE overstepping boundaries. Corruption/favoritism is a -social- aspect of the game. SE needs to fix their game mechanics before they start trying to tell me who i can be friends with.

*quick edit: I dont appreciate SE telling me through the new "personal" drop systems that all organized ls's are full of "corrupt" people.

But don't you know you run the risk of getting robbed and cheated and possibly get your feelings hurt? SE is liable for your sadness and tears, and they can't run the risk of you having such emotions over items that don't even exist.

we need a sarcasm font, i feel some people might not catch it.

also <3

People still have LS banks? wait no.. let me rephrase that.

People still attend in linkshells that maintain a bank system?

Yes.

We have one, but only because sometimes we make gil doing normal events.

That's a really great system, honestly. Supports the group and still encourages people to donate from their chests. /takes notes

I see nothing wrong with a linkshell bank.