[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades
[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades
This trial only encourages people to be selfish and hoard items. There is no worthwhile incentive for helpers, the drops are garbage in comparison to the time spent.
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I keep trying to make that face, everytime I see that picture :<
Yep, knew I shouldn't have gotten out of bed today. At least everyone will have pimp cataclysm rings?
Admittedly, the screenshot a LS member said they saw showed 5 dropping from 1 ADL. I still think Phase 1 should be kills, phase 2 ADL drops...
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Completion of sadistic trials is far from satisfying and I feel sorry for any moron that actually submits themselves to completing another person's weapon at this point.
Maybe the moron is the person that cannot see how to balance the incentives for any "helpers". My shell is so eager we started 3 nights ago and I have people from outside our shell wanting to do it with us.
Just what I need, to owe people more!
The idea of making them time-restricted trials to begin with is ***. For relics, you have one shot at ADL per day, on average. For mythics, it takes a set amount of time just to get enough Zeni to pop the damn NMs (a limitation which shouldn't even exist to begin with, but that's another story).
This can also be extended to the T4ZNM, Salvage Boss, and Animated Weapon trials to some extent, though they aren't nearly as bad as this.
This can also be extended to the T4ZNM, Salvage Boss, and Animated Weapon trials to some extent, though they aren't nearly as bad as this.
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Lakshmi.Eyrhika said: »
Admittedly, the screenshot a LS member said they saw showed 5 dropping from 1 ADL. I still think Phase 1 should be kills, phase 2 ADL drops...
POIDH
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Completion of sadistic trials is far from satisfying and I feel sorry for any moron that actually submits themselves to completing another person's weapon at this point.
Maybe the moron is the person that cannot see how to balance the incentives for any "helpers". My shell is so eager we started 3 nights ago and I have people from outside our shell wanting to do it with us.
Exactly. Dynamis is done for gil/currency; their synonymous. Half of my LS has their own relic statics. To accomplish this event you need to be able to match the incentive of their individual runs. If the average person brings in 100 currency (just an example) then the average ADL needs to bring in 800k x12 (you don't need 18 for ADL...). That's 9,600,000 per run needed. Selling the drops from ADL initially will gain 3~15mil per run. Umbral cost should offset bad drops or failures. There will be good runs 2~4 mil per person and there will be bad runs 150k per person (fails). But the average run needs to top 100 currency/800k. This is disregarding the want for the items from ADL and the currency that minus the 100's will free fall to everyone. Plus half the organized LS's out there will have a buttload of relic owners wanting to upgrade as well.
That was my bad, a friend linked me to a photoshopped pic.
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Completion of sadistic trials is far from satisfying and I feel sorry for any moron that actually submits themselves to completing another person's weapon at this point.
Maybe the moron is the person that cannot see how to balance the incentives for any "helpers". My shell is so eager we started 3 nights ago and I have people from outside our shell wanting to do it with us.
Exactly. Dynamis is done for gil/currency; their synonymous. Half of my LS has their own relic statics. To accomplish this event you need to be able to match the incentive of their individual runs. If the average person brings in 100 currency (just an example) then the average ADL needs to bring in 800k x12 (you don't need 18 for ADL...). That's 9,600,000 per run needed. Selling the drops from ADL initially will gain 3~15mil per run. Umbral cost should offset bad drops or failures. There will be good runs 2~4 mil per person and there will be bad runs 150k per person (fails). But the average run needs to top 100 currency/800k. This is disregarding the want for the items from ADL and the currency that minus the 100's will free fall to everyone. Plus half the organized LS's out there will have a buttload of relic owners wanting to upgrade as well.
Thats just what i wanted, to spend more gil on a relic.
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Exactly. Dynamis is done for gil/currency; their synonymous. Half of my LS has their own relic statics. To accomplish this event you need to be able to match the incentive of their individual runs. If the average person brings in 100 currency (just an example) then the average ADL needs to bring in 800k x12 (you don't need 18 for ADL...). That's 9,600,000 per run needed. Selling the drops from ADL initially will gain 3~15mil per run. Umbral cost should offset bad drops or failures. There will be good runs 2~4 mil per person and there will be bad runs 150k per person (fails). But the average run needs to top 100 currency/800k. This is disregarding the want for the items from ADL and the currency that minus the 100's will free fall to everyone. Plus half the organized LS's out there will have a buttload of relic owners wanting to upgrade as well.
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Exactly. Dynamis is done for gil/currency; their synonymous. Half of my LS has their own relic statics. To accomplish this event you need to be able to match the incentive of their individual runs. If the average person brings in 100 currency (just an example) then the average ADL needs to bring in 800k x12 (you don't need 18 for ADL...). That's 9,600,000 per run needed. Selling the drops from ADL initially will gain 3~15mil per run. Umbral cost should offset bad drops or failures. There will be good runs 2~4 mil per person and there will be bad runs 150k per person (fails). But the average run needs to top 100 currency/800k. This is disregarding the want for the items from ADL and the currency that minus the 100's will free fall to everyone. Plus half the organized LS's out there will have a buttload of relic owners wanting to upgrade as well.
LOL. Fair enough. Didn't know there was sides really... I am ummm on the side that isn't freaking out? I mean 20 is a lot especially when you have 20+ relics in your LS with your closest friends. I'm just offering a viable solution that is/will work in an LS event scenario. It's going to be an accomplishment that the last relic trials (post trial nerf patch) haven't had so I'm actually really excited about it. Challenging? Hell ya. Disproportionate? Absolutely. Scurd of having fun and paying gil to upgrade to the ultimate weapon? Not at all. I mean...we have relics...you should know how to make gil.
Thing is, I really don't see these being sold. Yeah they -can- be bazarred, but I doubt you will ever see it. If you do, you are likely talking 10M+ per. I don't see people going out to farm the pops, farm ADL just to sell the item. In most cases I think it will be for someone in the group.
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Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Exactly. Dynamis is done for gil/currency; their synonymous. Half of my LS has their own relic statics. To accomplish this event you need to be able to match the incentive of their individual runs. If the average person brings in 100 currency (just an example) then the average ADL needs to bring in 800k x12 (you don't need 18 for ADL...). That's 9,600,000 per run needed. Selling the drops from ADL initially will gain 3~15mil per run. Umbral cost should offset bad drops or failures. There will be good runs 2~4 mil per person and there will be bad runs 150k per person (fails). But the average run needs to top 100 currency/800k. This is disregarding the want for the items from ADL and the currency that minus the 100's will free fall to everyone. Plus half the organized LS's out there will have a buttload of relic owners wanting to upgrade as well.
LOL. Fair enough. Didn't know there was sides really... I am ummm on the side that isn't freaking out? I mean 20 is a lot especially when you have 20+ relics in your LS with your closest friends. I'm just offering a viable solution that is/will work in an LS event scenario. It's going to be an accomplishment that the last relic trials (post trial nerf patch) haven't had so I'm actually really excited about it. Challenging? Hell ya. Disproportionate? Absolutely. Scurd of having fun and paying gil to upgrade to the ultimate weapon? Not at all. I mean...we have relics...you should know how to make gil.
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Theres still no big reason to do some sadistic trial for 99 considering there hasent been any real end game in a long time. Yes u get a 99 relic but for what the same abyssea and VW crap we've been doing for the past year.
Lakshmi.Eyrhika said: »
Thing is, I really don't see these being sold. Yeah they -can- be bazarred, but I doubt you will ever see it. If you do, you are likely talking 10M+ per. I don't see people going out to farm the pops, farm ADL just to sell the item. In most cases I think it will be for someone in the group.
Oh wai–
I think it would make it a little better if they made it to where you need to "20 Umbral marrow, 10 Mulcibar's Scoria and 60 riftdross/cinder" to get the ability for the moogle to offer you the quest to get your relic/mythic/emp weapon to 99. and each weapon has its own rare/ex item (only 1 needed) to get it to 99.
Meaning once you got your 20 marrows all you need to do is farm the rare/ex for the relics you have and you can upgrade all 3 to 99 (instead of needing 60 marrows)
cause honestly ppl with more than 1 relic/myth/emp can really only do 1.
Same with the afterglow it should be a quest for the character. so the character has the trait for when he wields any relic/mythic/emp the afterglow works. not having to do a trial/quest for each single relic/mythic/emp.
Meaning once you got your 20 marrows all you need to do is farm the rare/ex for the relics you have and you can upgrade all 3 to 99 (instead of needing 60 marrows)
cause honestly ppl with more than 1 relic/myth/emp can really only do 1.
Same with the afterglow it should be a quest for the character. so the character has the trait for when he wields any relic/mythic/emp the afterglow works. not having to do a trial/quest for each single relic/mythic/emp.
You can't shout for this because it boils down to:
"ADL Do you need it? You can have this - nothing - looking members @1 /tell"
Any LS composed of mostly relics will be doing this trial for years to cap members while permanently locking themselves out of any Dynamis zone not labeled Xarcabard.
From 500 ADLs to 300 to 20 and they still don't get what a cost/benefit analysis is.
The supply for this demand will be near zilch as few LS' would put resources on the crapshoot that ADL most certainly is. 20M? Yeah, thats 20M if you even win with a loss being a huge waste of time that amounts to some stray currency and a couple mil if the trigger pops drop stuff.
"ADL Do you need it? You can have this - nothing - looking members @1 /tell"
Any LS composed of mostly relics will be doing this trial for years to cap members while permanently locking themselves out of any Dynamis zone not labeled Xarcabard.
From 500 ADLs to 300 to 20 and they still don't get what a cost/benefit analysis is.
The supply for this demand will be near zilch as few LS' would put resources on the crapshoot that ADL most certainly is. 20M? Yeah, thats 20M if you even win with a loss being a huge waste of time that amounts to some stray currency and a couple mil if the trigger pops drop stuff.
NM drops won't be worth jack after a few weeks.
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
Exactly. Dynamis is done for gil/currency; their synonymous. Half of my LS has their own relic statics. To accomplish this event you need to be able to match the incentive of their individual runs. If the average person brings in 100 currency (just an example) then the average ADL needs to bring in 800k x12 (you don't need 18 for ADL...). That's 9,600,000 per run needed. Selling the drops from ADL initially will gain 3~15mil per run. Umbral cost should offset bad drops or failures. There will be good runs 2~4 mil per person and there will be bad runs 150k per person (fails). But the average run needs to top 100 currency/800k. This is disregarding the want for the items from ADL and the currency that minus the 100's will free fall to everyone. Plus half the organized LS's out there will have a buttload of relic owners wanting to upgrade as well.
LOL. Fair enough. Didn't know there was sides really... I am ummm on the side that isn't freaking out? I mean 20 is a lot especially when you have 20+ relics in your LS with your closest friends. I'm just offering a viable solution that is/will work in an LS event scenario. It's going to be an accomplishment that the last relic trials (post trial nerf patch) haven't had so I'm actually really excited about it. Challenging? Hell ya. Disproportionate? Absolutely. Scurd of having fun and paying gil to upgrade to the ultimate weapon? Not at all. I mean...we have relics...you should know how to make gil.
Disregard any sort of economic logic? My whole post was based on economic logic. If you don't see it and hate the game then quit. I love this game and welcome a new challenge. How do you derive "no value on your time" from that? What do you do with your time? Hang out in Port J? I love being on vent with a full LS having fun. You don't even have a relic so I don't expect you to understand a good challenge. Go back to abyssea and farm some more emps...
And if a group wipes, anyone waiting can't even grab the mob. It has to depop. Can't be stolen either though.
Phoenix.Lucasta said: »
inb4 3 ???s for ADL....
I ...would not be surprised. Holy lag spikes batman with 9 Arch DL clones in play at once.
Don't forget Ying and Yang.
On a side note, this stuff MIGHT drop in Legion.
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
And if a group wipes, anyone waiting can't even grab the mob. It has to depop. Can't be stolen either though.
just need 35 ppl and 1 being a place holder pld xD
1 alliance (17ppl wait for wipe)
while the alliance (18 ppl including a pld with some hate but a safe distance away) so when a wipe happens you have get hate, drop alliance, get invited to the alliance with a fresh 17 ppl. and you can just toss it back and forth til you kill him. (if you really need to do that)
or you can just do the classic (barney is dead kick him and invite jesus) tactic.
Edit: also i haven't faced/read into the ADL fight. when he splits into 2 can another alliance take care of the second ADL? if so what if they get both to 1% and a blm ES>> aoe and kills them both? like ying and yang.
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