[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

You're failing to see the whole "difficulty" in the trial. It's 5 items per relic. As of the 2011 Census, there were over 6000 relics in the game. Do you honestly think there are going to be over 30,000 Arch Dynamis Lord kills?

Take into account the fact that there are probably a couple dozen relics completed every week now since the May 2011 Census, and you're looking at an insane amount of 95 > 99 relics wanting to be completed.

Good luck trying to get 5 friends their 99 relics, only need 25 ADL kills!

There's also the fact that 1 person can farm all the zeni PW pop for the Mythic trial, and you can kill PW with 3-4 people if you really want to low man it. Twilight Helm/Mail make it incredibly easy, not to mention the level difference.

After they change the Zeni to 10x the normal value, it takes 7 game days to get enough Zeni to be able to buy all the pops for PW. So you're looking at 21 game days for enough zeni for all 3 PW pops. That's incredibly easy to get. Not to mention it's an incredibly easy fight.

The empy trial is up in the air right now. Since announcing the numbers, whether official or not... the price has sky-rocketed and availability of Riftcinder/Riftdross has plummeted. Maybe the next 2 updates with VW will release more Riftdorss/Riftcinder into the game... who knows.

On the bright side, this may push the price of currency back up a little bit.

BRB, static. >_> And I hardly think that it's unnatural to have every relic upgraded fully; I mean, look at Empyreans and how many remain at 85 just for the WS.

GL with a 12-18 person static >_>

12-18 people that want their ***upgraded, hmmm... o3o And that would push the price of currency up.

12-18 people wanting to upgrade = 60-90 Arch DL kills, good luck getting people to stick around for more than half a dozen kills after they complete their relic.

There is way to much QQ in this thread from all the people that don't have a "Big LS". Really these trials are pathetic for and end game "ultimate" weapon.

In my LS we bid gil for our point system and we are all rewarded for the time farming these relic items for those who need. That way since we are devoting our time to LS and not for our own Dynamis dreams we are still making money to spend . We have set that each marrow starts bidding @10 mil to ensure that if there is 18 people alliance we are still making a good dollar sacrificing our own dynamis time. Plus if anything else drops archon gear or Sasinger( I know people wanting to bid 25mil+) You will be making more than enough gil to keep coming back to want to help each other out.

But really, if you're QQ'ing because you ditched your big LS for abyssea, I feel sorry for you son. I got 99 problems but ADL isn't one.

Right. Sure. Archon Mantle/Ring are junk, both swords are junk. Send those 18 people to solo dynamis for 90 runs each, make a minimum of 100 currency per run each and you get 162,000 currency which equates to way more than you'd make by attempting to sell off the junk gear/swords and the marrows. 90(runs)x18(people)x100(low average currency per run)x8000(average price) = 1.296 biillion gil

Also... people didn't "ditch" the LS thing for low man abyssea. The game has died, people have grown up over the last 7 years. People have got lives, kids, jobs and stuff to attend to. This is not the hardcore game it used to be, and it never will be. If they try to make it hardcore again, it'll die faster than it already is.

Server merger thing happened, populations on servers were huge again, but they've since thinned out in the course of 6-8 months and are back down to around the same populations before the mergers.

Who says we aren't farming currency as we fight? TBH we only have 2 parties for ADL and the other party farming currency. You have no idea what you're talking about. When your LS farms ADL then you can talk.

If you are saying 2hrs a day is too much for you then maybe you should quit the game. Because if you are spending 2hrs farming your own currency or helping your fellow LS mates. It's still 2hrs.

Just checked your profile, nope, no title there.

Edit: I didn't know making potentially 35mil + gil in 2hrs is crap drops. People still pay for it.

I don't see how people who aren't in an established EG Ls that's capable of killing ADL are going to get in there now that those very LSs will likely shut their doors close to focus on themselves.

The LSs that have survived the breakdown crysis that was caused by Abyssea (with HNMs losing value, becoming pop NMs and with the ability to solo or duo just about anything worthwile these days), will hardly feel like they should accept new people whose sole goal is to complete the weapon they built on their own or with a group of friends.

And I would only expect a consolidated EG Ls to manage to reliably have 18 ppl to attend every ADL run to complete lvl 99 relics, but sadly the same can't always be expected by new members, which is also why I don't think an EG Ls will want new members.

I am not worried by the number of items reuired for the completion of the trial. I am worried by the crooked system that's involved into achieving them.

It's understandable Sheelay, I agree. If you have an LS it takes two parties. Bring a third party of CORs just for Wild Card if you wanted so you could knock out 3-5 ADL in one run! ***most people have a mule as well.

Don't worry though, if you are still needing marrows 6 months down the road when all of our members are finished with 99's, you can move to Ragnarok and we will sell them to all of you.

Profit is recruiting~ Not closing doors.

Well said Jay-Z,
The Old Skool player ways die hard!
now SE comes out with this and ppl QQ about it... that's too bad this is what separates the hardcore "players" from everyone else.

What are your thoughts about Legion? (going to need that same mentality to handle it if you want to succeed).

QQ less and Kim (keep it moving)

Oh shi..... Bob just posted = ***just got real.

Pretty much agree with Crunkie in every way so he earned one of my very few ever used +1's (think I've only used maybe 5,ever)

Bob never posts...But he can smell haters. Haters always hate harder.

lol, thanks. However I would rather earn them by attending an event than jump a server to then buy them. In the next post you say your Ls is recruiting, which is nice for people already there with a relic and the dream of getting it to 99. But I wonder for how long your Ls will want to keep doing ADL for new members who join your Ls to achieve the very same thing most relic owners in your Ls are after.

Don't get me wrong, if you are sure your Ls will stay strong as you keep popping out lvl 99 Relics in the following months, more power to you. From my experience though, every LS, every team, every static reaches a "No more" point.

That isn't even the only reason it doesn't have merit. If you look at Crunkie's profile he doesn't have a relic and yet he's posting in this thread. Just because you haven't done the content yourself it doesn't mean that you're unaware of what is required, to complete it.

It all comes down to your server ranking on FFXIAH!

Well these are my thoughts as well. Because don't get me wrong, I grind dynamis with my mules and then go on my main to ADL 2x a week with LS. It gets tiring. But we keep the gil flowing, that is a good enough incentive for most people.

Also that is admirable of earning your items. But did you also buy 1500 HMP or did you farm every one? (example) It is just sometimes easier to farm/earn the gil then buy the ***.

Because I have no relic means I have no merit. Hilaroius. But it's true I don't. My shield is almost done with stage 4. I'm getting there. But when I'm in a LS with 20+ relics and I've helped do all the trials, killed the ADL I know what is going in. Please. If you're going to hate, hate harder.

Agreed. Gil is a fine incentive to keep people going and it gets stronger as the value of the prize increases. The HMP example is fine, as nobody would ever attempt to complete stage 95 by farming his own and never buying any.

In the end, people will just have deal with it. I'm ready to see how this trial ends up and I'll decide how to approach it when I'm on that stage.
It's just very disappointing to witness SE openly and recklessly shove crap at people who post on their Official Forum.

GL on the completion of your Aegis Crunkie!

No they're not

I know many people who "ditched" regular LS events to lowman stuff in their own time. This happened in my own EGLS. Some of these people are still IN my LS because people like them, except they were reduced to social member status and can't lot items unless no full member wants.

I keep seeing the RL and "grownup" card played. Again, having lives/job/stuff to attend to is not mutually exclusive to achieving your goals in a group setting. How is it "hardcore" to spam VW mobs with your LS (5-20 mins per fight), Legion (30 minutes), WoE (45 minutes), or do a 2 hour Dynamis event with people a few times a month? If you mean you don't want to stay in a group setting for the months it might take for you to get all 5 Marrows, I guess I understand that. But someone who doesn't want to stay with a group for more than a few weeks isn't even someone I would want in my EGLS, and more likely than not someone I don't want to interact with in an MMO as it speaks to the ability of that person to form lasting relationships.

Again, this isn't hardcore in the sense of the insane HNM scene many years ago. My LS more or less boycotted some of the more extreme HNM camping back in the day (Khimaira, etc). In FFXI in 2012, all events are done on your groups' terms, in bite-sized chunks. No current endgame event takes over 2 hours. I have a full-time job as a lawyer, and am able to successfully lead an EGLS that does events 3 times a week.

Thanks Sheelay.

I also agree that SE is kinda not giving a ***about anything the players say in their official forums. It's sad they brought it out like give us your feed back! Then, nope, doing it our way anyway, *** yo couch.

As I am still waiting to finish my first relic I'm very curious to see how it all pans out. I'm not worried for myself.(I got money in the bank) But others that don't have the means of a big LS and how SE said that "most" playable characters would be able to achieve this.

People are whining because they think there is nothing in it for them, agreed but that perception is 100% wrong.

Every drop in this game is worth something to someone, weather you sell it on the AH, bazaar it, or sell the right to it. There are 1000s of relics out there which now need 5 of these new items. No one has to get screwed, just free yourself from the "oh it sucks, lets just whine about it" mentality.

Get some friends together, make a plan, and get your ADL on. The drops will be worth millions.

You seem to misunderstand my point. All I was saying is that you shouldn't be judging somebody for commenting on ADL, because he/she hasn't done ADL when you're commenting on relic requirements and you don't have a relic. It's contradictory and as I've stated already, you can still be knowledgeable on the subject/content without completing it.

You don't have a point. Crunkie fights ADL frequently and is building a relic. He is well aware of what's involved.

Hey Crunkie are all your 108 posts in this thread ;) Hurry Up I wanna see your shield done.