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 Ragnarok.Yathatguy
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By Ragnarok.Yathatguy 2012-01-25 17:02:12
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
On a side note, this stuff MIGHT drop in Legion.

I would joygasm. The onset of Legion has gotten my LS so damned excited for big LS events again.
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By Sylph.Zohnax 2012-01-25 17:02:26
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
On a side note, this stuff MIGHT drop in Legion.
That, I would like and it would promote more people to do it, I would think.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-25 17:03:01
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Pretty sure it's like VW. You can't participate if you weren't in the group upon pop to get the Status Effect.
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By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2012-01-25 17:04:03
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
On a side note, this stuff MIGHT drop in Legion.

Yes, lets take Dynamis/ZNM/Abyssea only items and stick them in other events that have no ties to the other events.

Very unlikely.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-25 17:06:34
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Riftcinder/Riftdross is pretty much taken care of. Let's face it, it's the easiest of the trials.

Pandemonium Warden and Dynamis Lord might be monsters in Legion, however. It's a far stretch that they'd drop their respective items, honestly, a big might, but it's not impossible.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-25 17:08:24
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Ragnarok.Nekonarf said: »
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
On a side note, this stuff MIGHT drop in Legion.

Yes, lets take Dynamis/ZNM/Abyssea only items and stick them in other events that have no ties to the other events.

Very unlikely.

Empyrean seals drop from VW and HKSNM :<
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2012-01-25 17:35:09
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Phoenix.Lucasta said: »
inb4 3 ???s for ADL....

And brews sold from the Dynamis goblins.
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2012-01-25 17:37:55
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Bahamut.Bojack said: »
Phoenix.Lucasta said: »
inb4 3 ???s for ADL....

And brews sold from the Dynamis goblins.

This will be how SE removes all the gil that is coming in from Cruor burn pts.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-25 17:46:48
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lol @ building a relic is a challenge. The only things that the relic building process challenges are my patience and my friend's patience when I tell them that I need them for a month to kill an NM that they won't benefit from.
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By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2012-01-25 17:47:40
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Ragnarok.Nekonarf said: »
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
On a side note, this stuff MIGHT drop in Legion.

Yes, lets take Dynamis/ZNM/Abyssea only items and stick them in other events that have no ties to the other events.

Very unlikely.

Empyrean seals drop from VW and HKSNM :<


If you read any of the adjustments that come with an update, you see that VW is listed under Abyssea, as for the HKSNM dropping seals.. I don't even know what they were thinking lol.
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By Sylph.Zohnax 2012-01-25 17:57:09
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Personally, I don't consider grinding a challenge at all. ADL itself is still quite the challenge to topple so I could understand Trial Kills, but the items part of the stage is stupid. They should keep that crap in Abyssea, not bring it to relics/mythics that have had to collect a greater amount of things with added wait times.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-25 18:10:42
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Biggest problem is the burden of relics/mythics is now shifted back to a linkshell.

With the ease of Dynamis now, I find it very hard to believe anyone would be wholeheartedly and willingly say "screw it, I know i could be pulling 1.5-3.5m in Dynamis myself, instead I'm going to do ADL for a month to finish 1/xxx relics/mythics to 99".

Trials at least offer the opportunity for the individual to team up with people across the server to complete their weapon while still offering the other drops to those who actually want them.

I would voice my concerns on the OF, but this is only the latest stream of diarrhea to come from the *** of Square Enix, and my ability to open my mouth in contempt was removed long ago.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-01-25 18:12:13
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If the trial stands as is, I'll never create another relic, and I won't touch a mythic. Empyreans are really the only rational way to go, and 1500 HMP is still really bad.
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By Sylph.Zohnax 2012-01-25 18:16:39
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To be honest, 10PWs aren't too bad. I mean, it's a Lv75 content boss and sure you have to kill a ton of little crap to get to it, but it's not like they're that hard either. Also, think I heard somewhere about them raising the amount of Zeni you get per plate turned in so...

1500 plates, yes is still kinda crap, and I often worry about if you're not working on getting them now, whenever Voidwatch dies out, you're screwed forever unless you have a linkshell help you finish. Then with the temp item nerf impending I wonder how much more difficult it will become.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-25 18:18:56
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Personally I think the mythic one isn't too bad, but...I play 3 characters and can do ~1PW for a days work (and easily farm/kill all the NMs). My opinion of farming a popset is not realistic or something normal players could achieve.

However, that's a linkshell/shout event put together to go and kill it. One of those wastes the LS's time, the other is iffy at best as far as winning.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-01-25 18:39:09
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Just get PW keys from gob, np.

The items need to drop from the lower tiers period.

Arch bosses should drop ~1 relic upgrade item. ADL can drop ~5.

T4 ZNMs should drop ~1.

Empyrean weapons are a joke to upgrade.

Someone suggested this on the official forum so I'm pseudo-quoting them due to laziness, but I think it's the best idea suggested so far. Otherwise, they need to reduce ADL kills to 10 (at least) and make them killshots.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-01-25 18:50:54
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
Personally I think the mythic one isn't too bad, but...I play 3 characters and can do ~1PW for a days work (and easily farm/kill all the NMs). My opinion of farming a popset is not realistic or something normal players could achieve.

However, that's a linkshell/shout event put together to go and kill it. One of those wastes the LS's time, the other is iffy at best as far as winning.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on any of the details since I'm not terribly familiar with the total zeni required for a PW pop but isn't it 75,500 zeni? This includes 9 T1's 9 T2's 9 T3's 3 T4's and 1 T5, the 3 access fees of 1500 each for the T4's and this is absolute minimum price which you're not gunna get considering how many other people are going to be going for it...

You're limited to 10 plates per day. I know there are some mobs worth more but the most consistant mob I know of is nauls for ~100 each. So that's about 1k per vana day. Even given that you have 3 chars that's only 3000 per vana day. Or 72,000 for a 24 hour period.

That's only if you can be there at the start or end of every day for the entire duration. Even if never miss a day you still can't finish the zeni for a PW pop in a day much less actually walk to and kill all 30 nms.

If a "day's work" is literally 24 hours then you're "kinda right" and you're view of farming a pop set is not realistic for you either.

This isn't an attempt at bashing anyone but I think we all need to be realistic in how much freaking work this is.
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By Fenrir.Demomo 2012-01-25 19:03:36
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Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
If you don't have a relic or understand what it's like to accept a formidable challenge in a game then why post a QQ about it?

30 days of spamming quickstep/violent flourish on ep/dc mobs for two hours a day is a formidable challenge? Also lol @ getting Krizz'd.
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By Ragnarok.Bleublood 2012-01-25 19:07:45
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Fenrir.Demomo said: »
Ragnarok.Yathatguy said: »
If you don't have a relic or understand what it's like to accept a formidable challenge in a game then why post a QQ about it?

30 days of spamming quickstep/violent flourish on ep/dc mobs for two hours a day is a formidable challenge? Also lol @ getting Krizz'd.

Everybody knows Box Step is the way to go bro
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-01-25 19:10:23
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Correcting my numbers a bit since I put in 9 of each of the T1 and T2 which should have been 3 of each.

But that still leaves me at 57,500. What else did I bork on these calcs?
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By Ragnarok.Bleublood 2012-01-25 19:15:15
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By Latifah 2012-01-25 19:15:46
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
lol @ building a relic is a challenge. The only things that the relic building process challenges are my patience and my friend's patience when I tell them that I need them for a month to kill an NM that they won't benefit from.
they are hardest than emps for sure, just saying
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