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Sam gear lvl 99
Ragnarok.Daffel
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2012-01-20 15:34:30
Even if all you did was dyna you'd still be able to finish in 50-75days @100k/plate
You get 3mil a dynamis run? :O best I have done is 150ish coins but I dont do it so regular. Also finding them for 100k is getting harder and harder (although my LSs are awesome)
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-01-20 15:35:09
Even if all you did was dyna you'd still be able to finish in 50-75days @100k/plate thats honestly not that bad, but gives me more incentive to finish isgebind along with taint's info.
thanks for the tips.
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-20 15:36:57
The 95 trial for masa sucks balls though, so we will also certainly see far less 95+ masa's if it stays at its current difficulty. Recently commited to 95ing mine and at my current rate will take me about 38 weeks to finish at my current play time ._.; May get shorter if my play time picks up or I go farm like a boss but glad to hear it's still amazing at higher levels (losing only to mythic? :D)
Plates are a pain, I'm gotten a bunch for 80-90k lately which is helping. Definitely waiting until the 99 trials are official before turning anything in.
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Lakshmi.Rearden
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-20 15:38:52
225-250 coins/20 forgotten items a run comes out to 3m yeah.
Best thing to do is get in every Qilin/Aello/Uptala shout, even if you don't use stones (or if you do, idgaf) and ask to buy from people there. I wouldn't pay more than 100k per, though each server is different and at some point it'll be sanity or the extra 30m
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Ragnarok.Daffel
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2012-01-20 15:43:38
225-250 coins/20 forgotten items a run comes out to 3m yeah.
Best thing to do is get in every Qilin/Aello/Uptala shout, even if you don't use stones (or if you do, idgaf) and ask to buy from people there. I wouldn't pay more than 100k per, though each server is different and at some point it'll be sanity or the extra 30m
Yeah, refuse to buy them for more than 100k. Like 150mil is not enough for one stage and try to get into as many T3 zilarts as I can but still not seen any pouches drop =(. You get that amount of coins on BST solo? (Been looking into leveling BST, why I ask P:)
80-90k is pretty awesome but people on rag sometimes shout to buy them for 150k... so getting them cheaper than 100 is usually tough going.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-01-20 15:55:07
225-250 coins/20 forgotten items a run comes out to 3m yeah.
Best thing to do is get in every Qilin/Aello/Uptala shout, even if you don't use stones (or if you do, idgaf) and ask to buy from people there. I wouldn't pay more than 100k per, though each server is different and at some point it'll be sanity or the extra 30m You get that much solo? @.@
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-01-20 16:07:24
Lakshmi.Rearden
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-20 16:10:16
Hell no I 3box
Edit: But I know a few BSTs who solo 150-250 coins off EP, and 150/5-10 forgotten from DC.
That's actually better gil/per character present anyway.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2012-01-20 16:13:36
Lol just making sure cause I was like I sure as fk don't get that kinda gilz :(
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Carbuncle.Xenhas
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-01-21 02:41:41
Sounds like you agree maybe 2% of the game will favor Amano over Masa.
Yup, but that's the 2% I'll be spamming :3
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-21 03:48:12
Legion NMs, at least right now on the test server, don't have nearly enough evasion to make the Accuracy on Amanomurakumo an edge-bearing edginess cyclone of edge. I doubt they'll really make super evasive mobs outside of a few specialized cases later on, either. :\
Masamune is a really safe bet.
By Lennah 2012-01-21 05:00:15
Great discussion, but I've got a few questions.
Firstly, I don't think there's any question regarding whether or not TP bonus > regain earring. But I'm someone whose really tired of VW and I spend most of my time in other places. (Really hoping VW isn't the main EG thing FFXI will have to offer). That being said...and knowing that I know nothing about the new Nyzul Isle/Legion...is the TP bonus earring still going to be > regain?
Also, I'd love some math for TP bonus > regain for Upheavel/Ukkos/Metatron even though I suppose the SAM thread might not be an ideal place for it.
And...current TP set I'm almost finished with is:
Masa
Pole
Hagneia
Unkai
Houyi's
Brutal
Unkai
Ace's
Brego
Tyrant's
Rajas
Misuuchi
Phasmida
Unkai
Usukane
What can be improved?
And finally...I must be missing something obvious...but why is everyone so insistent on Ace's mail > Ogier's Surcoat? 18 STR 12 Att > 8 Acc 15 SB for DPS (ignoring -MDT and Enm)? Seems like an obvious 'yes' when considering VW or lolaby, but can anyone provide any mathematical answers?
Thx a lot
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-21 05:01:22
TP Bonus > Regain. Always, always.
I doubt math is necessary to show why 18STR and 25ATK is superior to 8ACC and 15 Subtle Blow in most any situation possible.
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-01-21 05:47:48
And finally...I must be missing something obvious...but why is everyone so insistent on Ace's mail > Ogier's Surcoat? 18 STR 12 Att > 8 Acc 15 SB for DPS (ignoring -MDT and Enm)? Seems like an obvious 'yes' when considering VW or lolaby, but can anyone provide any mathematical answers?
Thx a lot Depends on what your take on the inequality signs.
1.0001 > 1 is true, but does it matter to you, practically
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-21 05:51:17
Valefor.Prothescar said: »TP Bonus > Regain. Always, always.
I doubt math is necessary to show why 18STR and 25ATK is superior to 8ACC and 15 Subtle Blow in most any situation possible.
Dude, I re-read his sentence so many times because I thought there had to be something else going on for him to even be asking for the math.
By javelinx 2012-01-21 06:48:03
99 Amano with Tachi: Kaiten +40% is 15% better than 99 Masamune Fudo.
Very very decieving.
Kaiten99 is 10% Better at 100tp since Fudo can benefit from TP Moonshade.
Fudo is 14% better at 200tp. (Sekka,Haga make this automatic)
Fudo is 31% better at 300tp.
If you WS at 137tp they are equal. TP overflow happens all the time on SAM.
Add in the superior ODD and SAMs ability to maintain TP, Masa99 is SAMs best GKT.
Comparing the weapons they both have 132 damage, Amano has 40acc, Masa has 20str(15att). The STR/att of Masa will be a player during 98% of the game. The 40acc of Amano during the rest. The average SAM ofcourse has 60%+ Zanshin to help offset any ACC issues and any mob that high of a lvl you'll be Spamming Shoha which again is Advantage Masa.
I'd wait for the 99 trials but if you could pick either Masa ia clear winner for SAM. I have a feeling 99Amano will be more attainable though so I'm preparing to go either way.
not sure on odd really, if they update the odd for amano as much as they did the last time then it will be close...will have to wait on actual parses of proc % for amano...would be nice to proc on ws lol
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-21 09:14:13
Sounds like you agree maybe 2% of the game will favor Amano over Masa. Yup, but that's the 2% I'll be spamming :3
They won't make any mob worth spamming where the acc of Amano > STRatt of Masa and if they do there will be buff/food swaps to keep the WARs happy.
I know I'm coming off as an Amano hater, even though I'm 99% sure I'll be making one. But the facts are the facts. Unless the OD2.5 of Amano doubles Masa99 will beat it.
By javelinx 2012-01-21 09:26:21
Sounds like you agree maybe 2% of the game will favor Amano over Masa. Yup, but that's the 2% I'll be spamming :3
They won't make any mob worth spamming where the acc of Amano > STRatt of Masa and if they do there will be buff/food swaps to keep the WARs happy.
I know I'm coming off as an Amano hater, even though I'm 99% sure I'll be making one. But the facts are the facts. Unless the OD2.5 of Amano doubles Masa99 will beat it.
how much did it go up percentage wise at 95? i know i notice about 1/10 procs roughly, which some could be double dmg zanshin procs, but even then, with 2 pieces of unkai +2 on, so maybe half or so aren't 2.5x dmg, but 2x dmg(don't always have damage filter off, and haven't parsed it personally) and back before the raise to 80 cap it was nearly unnoticeable, like 1/50 or 1/100...so they may just double the proc rate who knows ;p
By javelinx 2012-01-21 09:30:27
also I think the att from the str on masa is being factored in a bit more heavily than it should be, it's easy to cap att at all times in and out of abyssea with amano, so really the only noticeable diff would be the str.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-21 10:26:56
also I think the att from the str on masa is being factored in a bit more heavily than it should be, it's easy to cap att at all times in and out of abyssea with amano, so really the only noticeable diff would be the str.
Thats a load of crap. Its not easy to cap attack with Amano without massive buffs on tier 6 VW mobs.
Also STR factors in to fSTR and WSC above and beyond the attack.
Edit: OD2.5 is ~15% at 95.
By javelinx 2012-01-21 10:35:44
zerk, food, stalwarts is over 1100 att, so you may need the extra sliver of attack i guess att i guess
and thanks for the od2.5 percentage, yeah, it was like 2-5% before that, so they tripled~ it, wouldn't surprise me if they added another 10 or 15% proc rate
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-21 11:07:26
zerk, food, stalwarts is over 1100 att, so you may need the extra sliver of attack i guess att i guess and thanks for the od2.5 percentage, yeah, it was like 2-5% before that, so they tripled~ it, wouldn't surprise me if they added another 10 or 15% proc rate
Try 1300+ att is needed to cap.
By javelinx 2012-01-21 11:30:09
cool, so the "sliver" from masa probably isn't going to be what's needed, more like songs or rolls that give you hundreds more rather than 25 att from a gk, just saying, the att from masa is overrated, as it's not going to be the thing to make you reach att cap, zerk and rcb and stalwarts, and double att songs (in addition to double marches, so duel bards(or 1 dura/gjallar bard) rotating through the dd party/parties, since you would pretty much never take double min over double march) just saying, i wouldn't weigh whether or not to get one gk or the other on 25 att, that's probably not going to be the difference between capping pdif on a high level nm or not, your "massive" buffs will be the thing that gets you anywhere near cap on the new VWNM's/legion/w/e else.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-21 11:40:22
cool, so the "sliver" from masa probably isn't going to be what's needed, more like songs or rolls that give you hundreds more rather than 25 att from a gk, just saying, the att from masa is overrated, as it's not going to be the thing to make you reach att cap, zerk and rcb and stalwarts, and double att songs (in addition to double marches, so duel bards(or 1 dura/gjallar bard) rotating through the dd party/parties, since you would pretty much never take double min over double march) just saying, i wouldn't weigh whether or not to get one gk or the other on 25 att, that's probably not going to be the difference between capping pdif on a high level nm or not, your "massive" buffs will be the thing that gets you anywhere near cap on the new VWNM's/legion/w/e else.
Exactly and with that kind of support Masa will have access to a superior WS. If acc/att is gained through other means then the 20str is better then the 0str. fSTR keeps getting harder to cap, esp in TP phase.
Anyway you want to slice it 99masa is going to be > then 99 Amano unless they make the OD2.5 25%+.
We are debating the unknown...
By javelinx 2012-01-21 11:48:13
truestrike.../em hopes for od2.5 on ws and 50% native rate ;p
Shiva.Paulu
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-01-21 11:56:08
You guys are making some valid points but I am also wondering about the possibilities in your tp sets with stp aftermath. You think things like Ganesha's mala or Atheling in your aftermath on set would help boost amano's performance more than what is being accounted for? For my questions I am leaning more towards Legion or not having a lot of save tp tools at your disposal.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-01-21 12:02:58
You guys are making some valid points but I am also wondering about the possibilities in your tp sets with stp aftermath. You think things like Ganesha's mala or Atheling in your aftermath on set would help boost amano's performance more than what is being accounted for? For my questions I am leaning more towards Legion or not having a lot of save tp tools at your disposal.
that same boost could be applied to masamunes ODD as well though, so theres no real point in comparing that.
i really want to see what the first trial is for lvl 99 emps/relics :|
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-01-21 12:09:45
You can compare that. Your tp set with Amano's aftermath gives room for alternative gear since you can use less stp in slots, which Masa can't do. If you are using a 5hit setup that is.
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-21 12:16:18
You can compare that. Your tp set with Amano's aftermath gives room for alternative gear since you can use less stp in slots, which Masa can't do. If you are using a 5hit setup that is.
With SAMs TP/WS split its not a huge deal but what you pickup isn't enough to matter.
Misuu to Atheling is 15att
Unkai to Mala is 2QA vs 3str 5acc
The first change makes the att equal and the second is an extremely small boost (1% ish) to DPS.
Shiva.Paulu
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-01-21 12:20:06
I figured it was tiny, but I found it worth bringing up.
While on the subject though does anyone have a good aftermath up set. I recently finished my Amano and was looking for ideas.
Hello, looking for some advice on gear sets for TP, Kaiten and Namas.
this is what i'm currently using
Thanks in advance
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