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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-01-18 23:57:51
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Phoenix.Icemn said: »
Does Drachenhorn beat out Mekira+1 on days the bonus doesn't apply to the WS? I'm hearing that it does but I just ran it through the dps calculator and Mekira+1 beat Drachenhorn regardless, although marginal, but loses nonetheless. So why is it so sought after by all these SAM? Am I missing something? o.O
No, Drachenhorn for SAM is pretty bad. It apparently has a weird and inconsistent formula on the attack +5% or something. Don't remember the BG thread the testing was in, so can't send a link. :/
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By Solrain 2013-01-19 00:24:49
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Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
Phoenix.Icemn said: »
Does Drachenhorn beat out Mekira+1 on days the bonus doesn't apply to the WS? I'm hearing that it does but I just ran it through the dps calculator and Mekira+1 beat Drachenhorn regardless, although marginal, but loses nonetheless. So why is it so sought after by all these SAM? Am I missing something? o.O
No, Drachenhorn for SAM is pretty bad. It apparently has a weird and inconsistent formula on the attack +5% or something. Don't remember the BG thread the testing was in, so can't send a link. :/

Somewhere around here?

I never knew about that, thanks Llew! Had to look it up.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-01-19 00:25:59
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Yeah, that's it!
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By Phoenix.Icemn 2013-01-19 01:09:16
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Thanks, Llew! Was wondering why it was so sought after by so many SAM I know, didn't look all that special to me @.@ . And ty for the link, Solrain, I'll read through that real quick.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-19 01:41:34
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Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
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Sylph.Nikia said: »
Wanted to ask, since the head/Hands/feet set combo for Usukane +1 is 5%~ and not 6% like we first thought, would that combo still be best for someone that doesnt have Tenryu+1 or Phos+1? Also if Usukane +1 feet are only thing worth getting for SAM currently would Omodaka Gote be a upgrate/replacement for Brego Gloves?
Thank you.

Do you have a source for the 5% as opposed to 6? :( That saddens me to hear.
Usukane set bonus stuff.

Boo :(
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-19 01:56:49
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Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
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Your TP set is actually 20.7 TP/hit. In your Fudo set you should swap AF3 legs to Ogier Breeches, Omodoka Sune-ate to Saotome Sune-ate +2 and Hagneia Stone to Thew/Potestas Bomblet.

Other than that, great sets~

Sorry was back-reading this thread a bit, and had a question here.. so Omodaka aren't really good for any WS set? Kaiten/Fudo or Shoha? I thought they would be nice for Shoha at least for the DA, but I guess the STP on Saotome+2 is kind of required, huh?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-01-19 01:59:00
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Omodaka are in the Shoha set, however with the news of usu+1's set bonus being less than 6% for 3 pieces i may have to reevaluate my sets :(
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-19 01:59:50
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No I know this Proth, but Llew suggested you switch them out.
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By Odin.Registry 2013-01-19 02:00:06
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Not for Shoha...

You only need relic+2 feet in your Fudo (not Kaiten) set if you don't have Tenryu+1 legs.


edit: He suggested for Fudo, not Shoha.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-19 02:00:50
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Or am I just reading it backwards?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-01-19 02:01:49
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In your Fudo set you should swap AF3 legs to Ogier Breeches, Omodoka Sune-ate to Saotome Sune-ate +2 and Hagneia Stone to Thew/Potestas Bomblet.

yeah
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By Odin.Registry 2013-01-19 02:01:50
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Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
Your TP set is actually 20.7 TP/hit. In your Fudo set you should swap AF3 legs to Ogier Breeches, Omodoka Sune-ate to Saotome Sune-ate +2 and Hagneia Stone to Thew/Potestas Bomblet.

Other than that, great sets~

edit: Beaten >_> again...

edit2: BY A SECOND D:<
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-19 02:02:36
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
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In your Fudo set you should swap AF3 legs to Ogier Breeches, Omodoka Sune-ate to Saotome Sune-ate +2 and Hagneia Stone to Thew/Potestas Bomblet.

yeah

Where Omodaka originally in your fudo set and did he quote you before a change then? I didnt see Omo in your Fudo set, so I thought he just might have mistaken the set.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-01-19 02:03:12
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yeah I fixed the sets after he suggested the changes. it's mentioned in my next post I think, maybe not idk
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-19 02:04:21
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Ahhh ok, hence my confusion. Sorry and thanks for the clear up ^^
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By Fenrir.Kingminamoto 2013-01-19 06:08:43
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Wanted to ask, since the head/Hands/feet set combo for Usukane +1 is 5% would this set work until Tenryu Tekko +1 and Phos Belt +1?

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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-01-19 06:13:16
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That'll do great, but you don't need Phos +1. You're hitting 26% with NQ.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2013-01-19 15:20:58
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Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
That'll do great, but you don't need Phos +1. You're hitting 26% with NQ.

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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-19 15:34:06
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
That'll do great, but you don't need Phos +1. You're hitting 26% with NQ.

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you always need white box when you can get it!

Not for 90M+ lol
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-01-19 15:37:45
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Fenrir.Kingminamoto said: »
Wanted to ask, since the head/Hands/feet set combo for Usukane +1 is 5% would this set work until Tenryu Tekko +1 and Phos Belt +1?


Could this set go with pole/duplus, if he maintains AM?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-01-19 16:16:25
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
Fenrir.Kingminamoto said: »
Wanted to ask, since the head/Hands/feet set combo for Usukane +1 is 5% would this set work until Tenryu Tekko +1 and Phos Belt +1?


Could this set go with pole/duplus, if he maintains AM?


Yes I use that set with Duplus/tekko+1
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By Odin.Volane 2013-01-19 17:06:40
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Heya I'd like to ask someone to spreadsheet these sets since apparently I'm unable to make it work like I want to. This is what I own at the moment so replacing Unkai for Tenryu in the WS set and Pole to Duplus grip might be better for arguments sake.

TP:

assuming 5% Haste set bonus

Shoha:

Unkai for STP

What I want to know is whether this is better/even/slightly worse/far worse than using this:


with Rajas/Unkai(Tenryu)/Brutal/Hagneia Stone in WS gear for 16stp

I'd really like to get rid of that ugly body even if it enhances Zanhasso, but not if the replacement body is too bad to use.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-01-19 17:31:49
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Unkai+2 body isn't replaceable yet.

Roughly equal to 3% DA with tripple TP. It also increases your counter rate with Seigan.

You should be aiming for 64% Zanshin rate.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2013-01-19 17:38:05
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How does the Unkai body increase your counter rate with seigan? Did I miss something?
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2013-01-19 17:39:06
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zanshin with seigan
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-01-19 18:00:29
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Odin.Volane said: »

Unless I've been misinformed to the set-bonus on Usu+1, This is overshooting haste by 3% (+29% total). Phos+1 is pretty unnecessary, I'd put on goading since that looks a bit short on storeTP (not sure if AMup/down set)
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By Phoenix.Icemn 2013-01-19 18:04:38
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Looks to be an AM up set(Same as the one listed a couple posts back other than hands).
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By Odin.Volane 2013-01-19 18:50:51
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That is actually Taints set from a few pages before, since he mentioned it to be the best according to spreadsheets. Its 27% Haste with Pho +1 (so NQ pho or bullwhip would be sufficient to cap haste).

Head 5 Feet 3 Set 3, Hands 4 Legs 4 Waist 7/8

As long as you WS with 16 STP (Shoha, 2hits) and TP with the set above you have the minimum amount of stp (43) needed for 5hit, according to ffxicalc.

Maybe I'm missing something obvious but thats how I see/calculated it.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-01-19 19:02:59
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I thought Salvage+1 set bonuses were found to be 5/7/9etc bonuses, which would put you at 29%. If i'm wrong, I'm wrong, obviously.
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By Odin.Volane 2013-01-19 19:09:26
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In the set you quoted I used 2 Salvage pieces for 3% Bonus. However I think you might have mixed it up with the very first set here:


Wanted to use 3 Usu pieces here, so
goading5 head5 feet3 set5 hands4 legs4 (26)

but was shot down right away since the ugly body is better
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