Sam Gear Lvl 99

TP

and


WS

Also lets you 5 hit with a 1 hit WS

Edit**

This just in, we WS without grips

AND since Im sure you don't want to change your TP set, I'd suggest Relic+2 feet otherwise

Wat

You chose that noob babble as your first post?

Did you really just recommend Ogier hands in a SAM forum?

Recommend? No, not really

No good sam is going to fudo/kaiten in af3 legs and ogier's hands to keep mala on for ws... only time i would use tiara over phorcys salade is in a regain situation and it doesn't require you to gimp your ws set to keep you 5-hit. I'd drop bushi in favor of af3 ear. Bushi is pretty much dead anymore.

Any word on tenryu+1 hakama vs Avant +1?

Avant Cuisses +1
[Legs] All Races
DEF: 51 HP +25 STR +8 Attack +15
Double Attack +2
vs
Tenryu hakama +1
DEF:50 STR+8 DEX+8 AGI+8 Accuracy+12 Attack+12 "Store TP"+6
Ws damage +3%

Having a prob running spread sheets atm, but does anyone know the definite answer? Also. with the stp +6 on the pants, wouldnt that make Pole/duplus > Rose?

i would think for fudo atlest they would be > ogier's breeches/avant+1 as to shoha ive been wondering the same thing^^

Tenryu +1.

And no, all the STP on the legs do is allow you to WS in Unkai Sune-ate +2 rather than Saotome Sune-ate +2. It doesn't change your TP set/grip.

Tenryu+1 is the best for Fudo,Shoha,Kaiten

and 6stp during WS only let you drop 1stp during TP. (almost 2)

thanks taint! wondering what the verdict on prosilio belt over beir+1 for fudo is too? asked in a previous post,but didnt get
a deffinitive answer^^

It's prosilio. It's a 1 hit WS like kaiten. I thought I said that earlier (though it might have been in a sarcastic tone, sorry)

Prosilio is meh for Kaiten, since you should only be using Kaiten with capped attack. (or close)


Kinda useful for Fudo since you will be using Fudo to keep AM up, but again thats only when you need the extra attack, otherwise Bier+1 is superior. (even ele belt is better)

fair enough. I never bothered with Pros, because of the crazy price tag attached. I had a Beir+1 for ages now anyways lol

Edit: It sucks cuz I want Pros for pup, but that's another matter altogether :P. For sam, I've always used Beir+1 since it was first put into the game.

I haz a question! What are people using for Voidwatch sets? I was using Motenten's Spreadsheet and couldn't find a set that beat the following:

Target: Qilin
Buffs: 11 Chaos, 11 Fighter's, RCB, Hasso, Zerk/Aggressor

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Atmacites: Valiant, Coercion, Latitude



Obvious hands and grip upgrade, but whatever!

I was tinkering with Discipline replacing Valiant and 11 Miser's Roll replacing Fighter's Roll but still couldn't get it to beat what I'm using now. :/

This is the set I used when I tried Coercion, Latitude, Discipline:



Any confirmation on Valiant set beating the Discipline set or am I doing something wrong in the spreadsheet? D:

Usually Valiant/Latitude/Dicipline.

Don't think the +2 regain is worth it. Esp if you pop a monarchs.

If I had to substitute Dicipline, I'd prob play with Depths. with 15 str, and HP +15%

Going to be a little random from past discussion but didn't want to make a new thread for it. I'm aware it's only good on rare easy prey or specific fodder situations but for extra utility; Namas Arrow how does this look so far?



How does elemental neck/belt compare to Hope Torque (AGI+5 Archery skill+7) and Crudelis Belt (STR+5 AGI+5)?

I've explored a good number of search results but most if not all are outdated and little data exists at the moment with the exception of some Apex Arrow discussion. I'm also curious to know if Quint Spear is still the norm for WS spam.

I've pretty much maxed my current potential on SAM with Amano+Masa and decided to do Yoichinoyume as a toy/hobby/future utility kind of deal. I know It's fairly moot compared to anything a GK can do (Considering SAM is pretty low tier right now especially), but if taken seriously any thoughts on this?

Second Pyrosoul over Stormsoul, 2x Vulcan's would beat Wilhelm/Altdorf as well. Hachiryu legs beat Saotome +2 if fSTR2 isn't capped.

In addition to what Nightfyre said, augmented Shura Kabuto and Ogier's legs.

I was taking a random shot in the dark considering STR+40% & AGI+40% mods with AGI being r.acc as well. Insert random ihavenoideawhatimdoing.jpg picture honestly as I've never even toyed with the idea of relic bow until now.

Wouldn't Ambusher Hose beat Hachi legs if not relic+2? Ogier Legs?

So with augmented shura suggestion It's safe to say just ignore AGI completely then with Namas? Seems every AGI/STR hybrid item is being told a full on STR piece. Also if Shura wouldn't Oto+1 win on WS days?

EDIT: Also what about the ele belt/gorget vs Hope/Crude belt? Keep eles?

Didn't check Kabuto but I'm pretty sure Ogier legs are a no-go, need 300 base damage for them to pull ahead of Hachiryu even if you disregard ratk (Phorcys, no Shura; would be higher with Shura). You're not going to have enough WSC for that.

Point for point STR will always be better since it also contributes to fSTR2 (essentially a ~60% STR mod albeit with a cap) and ratk.

So now it might be something like this for Namas Arrow?



(STR+4 Earrings are a bit overpriced at 8M each and extremely rare on Siren so they seem to be a little unrealistic at this time).

Just threw some quick numbers, got ogier's winning:

160 STR/170 STR
107 AGI

536/541 R. Attack

44 fSTR2 cap

(126+41+35+54+35)*2.95
(126+41+37+57+35)*2.95

858.45
873.2

536/400 = 1150.323*1.13 = 1299.86499
541/400 = 1181.003*1.10 = 1299.1033

EDIT: Austar's post just disappeared?

Sorry, copied a line twice.

Np, I'm alright with Ogier's actually winning as I already have them and I sold Hachiryu a long long time ago >_<....

Was I correct that anytime Yoichi being utilized that Quint Spear is still the ideal TP setup still?

Yes, it should be.

Alright lets hope this works out.

Melee TP


Namas Arrow


FFXICALC'ing this as we speak but want to see if anyone finds any problems I don't on first look through.