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Sam gear lvl 99
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-08-10 03:15:28
Is Zanshin+10 really much better than TripleAttack+2 ?
Zanshin +10 is roughly 2.5% Hassanshin rate which gives the TP of triple attack, but only the damage of double attack. Not that I normally care about melee damage, but am I forgetting something?
its mathed out to be pretty close, unless you need the accuracy at which point zanshin wins by a much larger margin.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-08-10 05:31:04
at 95% acc, isn't Unkai Domaru +2 more like an additional 3% hit rate? 2.5% from hasso and .5% from real zanshin on your 5% miss rate?
I'm probably disgustingly wrong on the actual numbers, I apoligize in advance to mathy people.
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By Odin.Hirokei 2012-08-10 17:18:08
at 95% acc, isn't Unkai Domaru +2 more like an additional 3% hit rate? 2.5% from hasso and .5% from real zanshin on your 5% miss rate?
I'm probably disgustingly wrong on the actual numbers, I apoligize in advance to mathy people. Idk the actual numbers, but I was going to mention this, generally, as well. Not only are you getting Hasso-Zanshin, but you're also benefiting from regular Zanshin; and on top of the additional hits, you're getting a great about of extra TP from Ikishoten.
By Sophea 2012-08-10 23:36:04
I knew about hassajin and all that, like I said I was looking at the gear and currious how it would compare; wasn't torlling D:
From what I understand, you only really need Rose Strap if you're using Mala, otherwise you can use Unkai Nodowa and Pole Grip. Amano can get away with Mala and Pole grip because of the +7 sTP aftermath of Kaiten. This would, however, require you to keep an eye on when the aftermath effect wares off.
This is my setup for Masa, which will more or less stay the same for Amano when that comes around.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-08-11 08:31:52
I knew about hassajin and all that, like I said I was looking at the gear and currious how it would compare; wasn't torlling D:
From what I understand, you only really need Rose Strap if you're using Mala, otherwise you can use Unkai Nodowa and Pole Grip. Amano can get away with Mala and Pole grip because of the +7 sTP aftermath of Kaiten. This would, however, require you to keep an eye on when the aftermath effect wares off.
This is my setup for Masa, which will more or less stay the same for Amano when that comes around.
Depending on buffs are probably better off 6hitting with 25% haste then 5hitting with 23% haste. (that was the case 85-95 cap)
5hit you'd swap in Rose,zelus,usufeet
6hit you'd want Pole,atheling,zelus,rancor/mala,thew,pyrosoul/strigoi
By Sophea 2012-08-11 14:54:50
Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I had a few questions about ws sets...I know before I left the ideal was to have a Fudo set for when Zerk was up, and a set when it was down, but I'm not sure if that's the case any more? I dl'd a DPS spreadsheet off google docs (not sure if it's the popular one or not?) and, unless I'm doing it wrong, it looks like a str/atk-centric set wins out over a strictly atk set w/out zerk. Is this the case?
These are what I've been using (granted a few pieces are really old and probably out-dated).
W/ Zerk
W/out Zerk
If I'm using this spreadsheet right, the first set wins with or w/out berserk. And yes, I need to replace a few things in my str set D:
By Gimp 2012-08-13 10:53:21
at 95% acc, isn't Unkai Domaru +2 more like an additional 3% hit rate? 2.5% from hasso and .5% from real zanshin on your 5% miss rate?
I'm probably disgustingly wrong on the actual numbers, I apoligize in advance to mathy people. Idk the actual numbers, but I was going to mention this, generally, as well. Not only are you getting Hasso-Zanshin, but you're also benefiting from regular Zanshin; and on top of the additional hits, you're getting a great about of extra TP from Ikishoten.
how much accuracy do you want to parse on samurai? because of less attack swings needed to get to 100 and having tp overflow usually it can't matter much if it's not capped so i'm guessing 88~90 acc is fine for a greater chance of zanshin and the smaller window of ODD from that zanshin.
no i'm not trying to troll, just trying to factor how important zanshin is after the update and if i should be capping my acc and because sam is a job that will be locked in ws mode for 60% of the time or more it doesn't seem optimal to worry about acc so much.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-08-13 10:58:47
at 95% acc, isn't Unkai Domaru +2 more like an additional 3% hit rate? 2.5% from hasso and .5% from real zanshin on your 5% miss rate?
I'm probably disgustingly wrong on the actual numbers, I apoligize in advance to mathy people. Idk the actual numbers, but I was going to mention this, generally, as well. Not only are you getting Hasso-Zanshin, but you're also benefiting from regular Zanshin; and on top of the additional hits, you're getting a great about of extra TP from Ikishoten.
how much accuracy do you want to parse on samurai? because of less attack swings needed to get to 100 and having tp overflow usually it can't matter much if it's not capped so i'm guessing 88~90 acc is fine for a greater chance of zanshin and the smaller window of ODD from that zanshin.
no i'm not trying to troll, just trying to factor how important zanshin is after the update and if i should be capping my acc and because sam is a job that will be locked in ws mode for 60% of the time or more it doesn't seem optimal to worry about acc so much.
SAM has ACC advantages over other jobs. (65+% Zanshin) But you'll still want to be capped, since DA,TA,QA do not benefit from Zanshin and are being featured more and more in gear sets. Hit rate is the most important factor for a DD. (speed,ACC)
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By Odin.Breaze 2012-08-21 16:04:59
so do we have a definitive optimal TP/shoha set? im too lazy
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-08-21 16:41:13
so do we have a definitive optimal TP/shoha set? im too lazy
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By Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu 2012-08-21 18:56:41
Kinda curious why strigoi instead of a 2nd pyrosoul? also TP phase is 20.8tp/hit and WS is 17.4 right? Trying to figure out a slightly different setup, but dropping sTP in tp phase may result in screwing up hit builds if using a kaiten instead of shoha from time to time.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-21 18:58:35
Tenryu Hakama +1 for Fudo/Kaiten, problem solved.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu 2012-08-21 19:07:37
I'm dumb, if using kaiten, you'd have it's aftermath
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-08-21 19:56:21
Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu said: »Kinda curious why strigoi instead of a 2nd pyrosoul? I was wondering the same. Guessing here, but macro limitations? 2x Pyrosoul might not swap in properly. Otherwise it does seem odd since you'd generally cap Ratio on Shoha.
Also, Mala? Did I miss a memo somewhere?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-21 19:57:29
Mala is better if you're still capped on acc.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-08-21 20:00:12
Yeah nevermind that, I forgot Shoha is two hits.
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By Valefor.Kungg 2012-08-21 20:09:27
In no way shape or form is Uther's Grip acceptable for Sam is it? (I know the answer I just need someone to say it...)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Killza 2012-08-21 20:13:08
In no way shape or form is Uther's Grip acceptable for Sam is it? (I know the answer I just need someone to say it...)
Uther's Grip is okay if you're taking a cool FFXIAH picture of a 99 Kogarasumaru in shitty gear. If not, please do us all a favor and drop it and in the very least wear a Pole Grip / Sword Strap depending on weapon store tp needs ofc.
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By Valefor.Kungg 2012-08-21 20:22:10
Thats what I figured.. I have a Sam that's upset at me for questioning his gear choice..
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By Quetzalcoatl.Killza 2012-08-21 20:30:30
Well if you wanted to be an *** and prove him wrong could always set up his gear sets vs the recommended gear sets on the DPS spread sheets and show him >.>.
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By Valefor.Kungg 2012-08-21 22:17:21
I wish it was worth the effort xD
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By Asura.Hotin 2012-08-22 00:13:57
Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu said: »Kinda curious why strigoi instead of a 2nd pyrosoul? I was wondering the same. Guessing here, but macro limitations? 2x Pyrosoul might not swap in properly. Otherwise it does seem odd since you'd generally cap Ratio on Shoha.
Pyrosoul ring x2 macro works everytime fine for WS but it fails everytime for dark ring x2 i dont get it, maybe cause they are Ex/augmented?
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By Valefor.Hjui 2012-08-24 18:31:31
Hello
I wondered if I could get some feedback on the TP set I've posted below, it is what I am striving for at the moment
Set is assuming you open with Kaiten for +7 Store TP aftermath
Ideas:
Centaurus Earring (Attack+10)> Unkai Mimikazari (STP+1 / Zanshin) ?
Dusk Gloves +1 > Brego Gloves? (Un-needed accuracy since have Amanomurakumo?)
DA > TA/QA to avoid over TP'ing? TA/QA on Attack 3-5 looks to be wasteful
Stats:
Attack +41
Store TP +44
Haste 27.5% (2.5% from Unkai +2 legs under Hasso (Magic haste))
Double Attack +10%
STR +13
Accuracy +49
Delay 437
DMG 88
DEX +10
Great Katana skill +7
I have deleted defensive stats from those posted above
Thanks in advance
Hjui
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-24 18:33:43
Earring: Would be close.
Gloves: Brego, doubtful you'll cap fSTR during TP.
DA>QA/TA: Most likely not.
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By Bahamut.Relliik 2012-08-26 13:40:38
A lot of back and forth about Kaiten sets, was there a current optimal?
PLugging in data from spread sheets right now in hopes of finding out for myself
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By Bahamut.Relliik 2012-08-26 14:04:05
Havent really seen any good Sam SC's out there either apart from Iaruamas or w.e
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2012-08-26 14:42:56
Kaiten set will vary slightly depending capped on attack or not aswell as whether AM is up or not, assuming you want to be as effient as possible.
My profile shows a good AM up kaiten, for perfection it requires a perfectly augmented Shura head+1 for when Mekira-oto's bonus isn't active. I don't really deem the extremely small amount of increase to be worth the time/gil/space, however.
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By Bahamut.Relliik 2012-08-26 17:40:22
Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai said: »Kaiten set will vary slightly depending capped on attack or not aswell as whether AM is up or not, assuming you want to be as effient as possible.
My profile shows a good AM up kaiten, for perfection it requires a perfectly augmented Shura head+1 for when Mekira-oto's bonus isn't active.
That's all I Read. Thanks for the advice :3
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By Valefor.Thioo 2012-08-26 18:01:40
I've asked a few questions here and there, I just got myself Amano and I see that att > str in some cases, I have both Thew bomblet and Potestas and I've been using Potestas so far. Is that the wrong choice?
Also I suck at sentence structure so if it's one giant run-on sentence my apologies.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-26 18:03:27
Not if your attack isn't capped.
Hello, looking for some advice on gear sets for TP, Kaiten and Namas.
this is what i'm currently using
Thanks in advance
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