Apocalypse95 VS Ragnarok 95

Hi guys question for the current relic DRK's:

Wich is the better weapon iff you could pick 1 , Apoc95 or Rag95?

thx.

Rag

Which is better for what? I assume you mean damage with no concern to real utility.

If afterglow works how I think it will

THIS IS A COMPLETE ASSUMPTION WITH ABSOLUTELY NO FACTS/EVIDENCE:
then ragnarok's afterglow will be far more beneficial to a DD party than apoc. I've hoped that 99 apoc would be changed to magic haste or break cap like aegis, but that's grossly unlikely.

just to let you know, apparently someone was messing with the afterglow and its written on bg showing it at the moment only giving a glow effect, the color based on whether its relic mythic or empyrean :<

The Test Server should be uploaded with the trials next week along with a few other things. So lets all wait and see

I am apoc all the way, even after 2 major nerfs to the weapon it still changes the way we play.

Yea sry i ment damage wise , this is just for my personal fun.
I was planning on doing Apoc since i allways liked it and have a Caladbolg allready.
Tbh i dont even know what is aftermath for Rag :3

But heh can only spend my cash once xD so wanna buy the best i can :D

Yea might wait till 99 versions on air.

semi off topic but how good is liberator compare to the empys and relics drk's can use?

Pretty sure it wins very clearly, atleast in VW where you can just use a wing for 300tp.
OA2-3 that can proc on ws is pretty sick.

hmmm then i might put my efforts into getting that instead

mythic has the coolness factor too, which is #1 when deciding how to idle in pj!

doooo it

Teeny Libby :3

Having just completed Apocalypse last week I must say Apoc wins for utility easily. The ability to drain hp from weaponskilling (and mp via Entropy, but thats irrelevant in this discussion) combined with a fairly easy to put together 5-hit build, opens up a whole new world to DRK. As an added bonus, the aftermath letting you replace 10% gear haste with whatever you choose (be it PDT MDT or just stronger DD options) is nothing to scoff at either.

That being said, I'm now building Ragnarok which hands down will win in pure DD. The increased rate of crits along with aftermath paired with the obscene amounts of crit gear (dmg and rate) available makes Ragnarok a force to be reckoned with. While I'm far from an expert on either of these weapons, I do remember reading that Ragnarok used to be the lowest dmg 2-Handed relic and is now the 3rd HIGHEST. Oh yea, with the addition of Resolution fully meritted you'd be hard pressed to find another DD that can keep up with that kind of spam. Lastly, the fact that Ragnarok can be wielded by WAR as well (ya PLD too but please no) is really the icing on the cake. I don't play WAR often these days they really have a lot of gear, JA's ect... that make Rag a viable choice.

TL;DR
They both are amazing, do both!

Mythic > Relic in term of accomplishment :3

As for Relic,

It's really base on your play style for DRK. If you enjoy tanking,dishes out some dmg etc.

Since I don't have rang, but as far i'm concerned, it's the best GS there is for war & drk for Resolution WS spam. Just my opinion. Or hell just go for OAT GS.

I think entropy's mp drain is exactly relevant to your point about the increased utility of Apoc.

Also, I keep wanting to make puns about your name. A+ name for a taru <3

=P Thanks I guess my thought on Entropy being irrelevant was based on the fact that you can do that with any Scythe but I agree wholeheartedly that having the option to use either as needed is simply amazing.

im liking Entropy alot working on my apoc (at the end of stage 4 FINALLY) been testing it out at 3/5 merits so far and its nice wont lie all those times in campaign solo it saves *** lol nothing like free MP to help u regain HP and buffs.


so cant wait to finish Apoc will make solo tanking even funner :).

as for rag im thinking of doing it next for sure, to me it sure as hell will beat the crap out of any GS avaliable + some serious damage on both war and drk for VW :)

I'm going to win rank 1 and 2 in the bonanza, taking a rag and a cat's eye so I can have all 5 drk weapons. :3

inb4 Quetzalcoatl.Generic

Mythic will win for pure DPS. Insurgency and OA2/3 will probably overtake anything else you compare it to.

GS will produce more DPS than the Scythe, but Scythe with Cata is simply just amazing.

They are both awesome weapons, do both.

Plus please also realize that by the time you finish there will be new content, and all these comments about current content will probably be irrelevant.

hi
too tired :/
zzz ragnarok zzz etc

Or maybe everyone should just do Rag based on the conversation I had with some people in a nearby cleave party while I was doing Cata kill trials. Went something like this:

WTF really? Wow, people, wow....

If only WAR could use Apoc D:

Making relics is fun yo :D

wtf resolution (not the WS) >.<

For DRK: Apoc without a doubt. I have yet to be out DDed by any Rag DRK. Esp in VW Apoc's brings too many things to the table.

The only time Rag is out performaing a Apoc is when a WAR uses it along with their 2hr and spams Resolution. WAR with Rag and 2hr is one of best zerg setups in the game.

Maybe with the new Askar+5 and other stp gear with haste Rag will be able to effectively 6hit which would do wonders for its output.

Crit rate in VW is 35-37% and is very consistent over the 100 or so fights I've parsed.

Didn't even know there was a xhit in VW :/
WS > wing > WS > swing > WS D:
Regain/Save TP go :O