Lv.99 MNK TP Set

Vere will still win most of the time, but yeah,

Ofcourse Vere will win most of the time if it can keep aftermath up, counter is nothing on Spharai when the Vere MNK is tanking instead because his DD output is alot higher, lol.

Just to add to this since we're assuming optimal conditions. If the BRD has 99 ghorn, or uses Marcato with +3 harp, Ukon closes the gap to around 564 DPS, while DRK gains nothing since it's already capped delay with LR/DB.

How the hell Ragnarok has worse melee DPS than Apoc?
It has higher ODD and higher DPS as weapon and with all those buffs att and acc will be capped anyway. On the other hand 2077 Cata with 99 Apoc looks pretty low with capped att at Qilin (You sure you added everything there?)

Ukonvasara melee DPS is also way to low in comparison to Ragnarok/Apoc so I assume it doesnt account keeping AM3 up?

I don't know, I know there are a few errors here and there within the spreadsheets, you'd have to ask Mot to find out. (For example, Bale Earring being "better" for Resolution than TP Bonus...1st grade math says otherwise.)

Rather it just points out that all of those are pretty close (aside from Samurai) but we also know that doesn't take into account 80/20 split and stupid amounts of WS going off making up for losses in white damage.

That and a couple of other errors were fixed in the last update. Your Reso numbers should beef up a bit as a result, Entropy values may also change slightly if you were using that at all with Apoc. I'm only aware of three errors at this time: critdmg JT should be 8% (Data.B19), Ragnarok 99 critrate is 14% (I did the testing after the last update), and iirc the OAT cell for set 2 in the melee page referenced the wrong cell (should reference Data.H22). I was waiting to send that information until after I finished testing a couple more things, but it's all easy stuff to fix if you want to patch your version until then.

EDIT: How did your SAM numbers change if you switched to Kaiten/Fudo? With buffs that high I'd at least expect Kaiten to offer a minor improvement over Shoha. Additionally, I think Shoha's attack bonus is applied to all hits currently instead of first hit only (was that actually verified?).

EDIT2: If you see other things like that where you know something's off, I'm sure he'd appreciate you passing on the information. He's been great about fixing bugs and adding gear when I PM him. There's a lot for him to maintain in those sheets, easy to miss things sometimes.

For drk spreadsheet:

Fixed the crit attack bonus.

Would like to see the testing for the 14% crit rate, since that doesn't fit the existing progression pattern.

Replaced the entire Melee page with the new version that I've been trying to apply to all the spreadsheets as I get time.

Added Zanshin, though I haven't updated the gear values yet.

Also updated with the latest round of changes I've been working on: the ability to specify the minimum TP to weaponskill at (primarily for aftermath data), and hard modifiers to TP gain/loss per weaponskill (primarily to account for Step usage).

And yes, absolutely let me know if you find any bugs or missing stuff, and I'll fix it. You can ask for new features, too, but I can't guarantee I'll be able to add those.

85% critrate (RR, Dark Depths, Bale Cuirass +2, Rancor Collar, crit+1 Light Earring) plus unknown bonus from Ragnarok 99 yielded a noncrit after 300 hits. Adding Thrashing Tendrils, removing 3 crit merits, and swapping out collar and earring (wanted to be able to test lower critrates without warping out again) for a total of 52+20+10+4=86% critrate + Ragnarok resulted in no noncrits in 1174 hits.

EDIT: As far as I know, none of the other critrate bonuses were tested via the 100% method. Ragnarok 95 certainly wasn't. Planning to test Scourge's bonus this afternoon, not that it's remotely useful at the moment even if it's at the high end of previous estimations.

Awesome. I'll PM anything I notice in the future, I mentioned it over at BG but a BLU/RNG sheet would be nice :D

I will have to redo those later, I kind of messed them up but they were messed up somewhat equally. If anything, the Emps would get better and the Relics would fall more behind.

Because Spharai is so hard to get compared to Verethragna.

And sure, you are so right, camping NMs and farming NMs and then either farming plates or spending 150M on them for just the level 95 Verethragna is "2 hours".

Yeah, I know I'm late to the party, and even though I do not have Vere 99, I would say getting it there is more than 2 hours so...

To be honest, it would be ALOT faster to get Sphrai to 95 from nothing than getting Vere 90 > 95. Currency is everywhere at the min, it's not hard at all to get, where as the HMPs.. Well that is a different story. Spharai is 110m here on Quetz and the HMPs IF you are lucky will be 150m, that extra 40m difference can also put you at 2/5 Marrows. It's a hell of alot faster to build Spharai then it is to build Vere, both time and gil wise.

Idk man, you need to reach center of Castle Oztroja. Taking into account IQ someone like Mnkk concluded from his posts.. that may be a hardcore challenge to go through all those gates...

I just cannot figure how Vereth lost inside and trying to wrap my brain around it caused my head to hurt so I can only conclude he broke the game and did negative damage somehow.

Why in the ***is this thread going so off topic? There's been other threads for Spharai vs Vere, what the ***makes you think you will convince other people in this thread that should be for 99 mnk tp gear.

Well none really trying to convince anyone to USE any weapon because that in fact have no sense. We are only pointing out which is better and when and that has a lot of sense because its actually pure math.

Pretty sure my post count speaks for itself.

It was more a statement of "You have no comprehension of the workings of internet forums." I don't care about your post count.

Edited to prevent wasting people's time reading (and to shield my ignorance).

tl;dr I am a complete dope, cannot calculate counter rates, and do not understand the weapons I hold with my own two hands. :)

Correct me if I'm wrong but counterstance isn't +50%, it brings your base to about 50% (so that's with reg counter traits already added), then the melee gaiters throw 10% on top of that, counter merits, then gear.

Well f*ck me; you are absolutely right.

No joke, I have been calculating CS incorrectly for years. Thank you.

What Diasetsu posted a little over a week ago:
Diasetsu Counter Work

The post count statement was more for i'm new to the forums, hence if new to it, how should i know what goes on? Sorry if putting 1 and 1 together must be hard for you.

...consistent derailment of threads is commonplace for forums in general.

Has Oneiros ring been brought up vs rajas?

Oneiros is better (very slightly), obviously. I'm not sure why you'd have MP, though.

She was a mule until a little while ago. I'm still unlocking WSs/ converting her mnd merits into str merits. Since they are close i'll probably save the gil and ditch the mp merits once I get around to it. Thanks^^

I just picked up Euxine coat +3 in neo nyzle. How does this perform against toci's for tp body when impetus is down

Easily wins when impetus is down. (Assuming you're already fStr capped).

Exuine +3 is only winning if you have Nomkahpa Mitts for TP. You need Thaumas to pull ahead of the Toci's/Oce. +1 combination by itself. Anyways, the difference is minuscule if you want to make your Spellcast more friendly. If you don't have Ganesha's and do have Toci's/Oce+1, I wouldn't bother at all though.