I "popcorn"ed the whole thread and thoroughly enjoyed the nerdrage and QQ. I tend to agree that thf is something you "settle" for in VW. I also don't think that you can justify yourself saying "youre a hypocrite because you admit drk performing at 90% of top dd is the same as the performing 60%".
The crowning moment of the thread is both people who bitterly fought for 2 pages instantly turned on the "u gaiz stop being so e1337izt" asshat and worked together. Remember kids, we can unite all the worlds people against some retard with no goals or work ethic, and a big mouth.
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
I "popcorn"ed the whole thread and thoroughly enjoyed the nerdrage and QQ. I tend to agree that thf is something you "settle" for in VW. I also don't think that you can justify yourself saying "youre a hypocrite because you admit drk performing at 90% of top dd is the same as the performing 60%".
The crowning moment of the thread is both people who bitterly fought for 2 pages instantly turned on the "u gaiz stop being so e1337izt" asshat and worked together. Remember kids, we can unite all the worlds people against some retard with no goals or work ethic, and a big mouth.
Hurray for year I was born post count!
The crowning moment of the thread is both people who bitterly fought for 2 pages instantly turned on the "u gaiz stop being so e1337izt" asshat and worked together. Remember kids, we can unite all the worlds people against some retard with no goals or work ethic, and a big mouth.
Hurray for year I was born post count!
It was closer to 4 pages, and it was indeed a barrel of laughs.
I need more popcorn. I ran out a page ago.
Yay for delusional people who are good at their jobs not believing that other jobs can do more damage if they are played just as well!
Let me pull up all my 2002 parses of lolDrg and lolThf kicking everyons ***! That is certainly indisputable proof that Thf and drg were the best jobs in '02! Then i can get my parses from 05' of my thf and drgkicking everyones ***! THen i can get my abyssea parses of me kicking everyones ***! Then i can get a parse from 2 days ago kicking everyones ***.
Undisputable proof that Thf and Drg have been and always will be the strongest DDs in the game!!!
Good god. If your good at your job you can kick most peoples ***. Shocking amirite?!
Protip: Anyone who eats the right food, picks the right atmas, uses their meds, plays aggressivly, gears properly, uses TP efficiently, reacts swiftly, and generally plays like a badass....will be a badass.
Protip2: Most people that bother to post regularly on the forums do a lot more of that than most people that play the game.
Protip CCCOOOOOMMMBBOOO!:
Combine both those points and it becomes clear why everyone who posts says "my jobs better than everyone elses!" because chances are most of us here are the strong players in game and make any job we play super awesome.
Your parse isnt special. Good players parse>Crap avg joe shmo players. Doesnt matter what job.
Lemme go get my LolBattleBrd parses. We have obviously been overlooking the powerhouse that brd is since i match ukko wars on lolBrd.
Get over yourselves already.
Yay for delusional people who are good at their jobs not believing that other jobs can do more damage if they are played just as well!
Let me pull up all my 2002 parses of lolDrg and lolThf kicking everyons ***! That is certainly indisputable proof that Thf and drg were the best jobs in '02! Then i can get my parses from 05' of my thf and drgkicking everyones ***! THen i can get my abyssea parses of me kicking everyones ***! Then i can get a parse from 2 days ago kicking everyones ***.
Undisputable proof that Thf and Drg have been and always will be the strongest DDs in the game!!!
Good god. If your good at your job you can kick most peoples ***. Shocking amirite?!
Protip: Anyone who eats the right food, picks the right atmas, uses their meds, plays aggressivly, gears properly, uses TP efficiently, reacts swiftly, and generally plays like a badass....will be a badass.
Protip2: Most people that bother to post regularly on the forums do a lot more of that than most people that play the game.
Protip CCCOOOOOMMMBBOOO!:
Combine both those points and it becomes clear why everyone who posts says "my jobs better than everyone elses!" because chances are most of us here are the strong players in game and make any job we play super awesome.
Your parse isnt special. Good players parse>Crap avg joe shmo players. Doesnt matter what job.
Lemme go get my LolBattleBrd parses. We have obviously been overlooking the powerhouse that brd is since i match ukko wars on lolBrd.
Get over yourselves already.
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Fupafighters said: »
I use my thf for TH in abyssea only noob... Yes thf isn't that superb in VW but what if thats your best job? What if you have only mandeu...you want them to go like a +2 sam with gimp gear? Or would you prefer them actually enjoy their relic they earned? Talk about how thf can help...not how its bad. NO job is bad... What u think i dont own any empies lol? I used to be one of those people who enjoyed my 1k gekko spammin pre 80 cap.
Well in the good all days you gtfo until you level a job that has some utility for your shell. These days you start the shout group yourself to guarantee yourself a spot.
Valefor.Jaypea said: »
THF is useless in Voidwatch going by usefulness, it has close to no procs other jobs don't have, so it's the last thing you would bring.
This was actually my position from the very start.
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As of now, bringing SAM/WAR/MNK/RNG/COR for damage (assuming the people know what they are doing) is far better than bringing a THF, fact.
I'll agree to the last four. The first two because they are broken, the last two because as old guard I principally believe in stable tanking with ranged damage over zerging. I am unconvinced the latter two would be brought solely just for their dmg in a meele zerg oriented fight.
I take no position on SAM, I'm merely pointing out that whether or not SAM is good depends on how we are going to evaluate the job -- math or parse -- and that Generic is being hypocritical in the standards he applies to SAM because he wants to treat them as top flight but refuses to acknowledge THF could contribute
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Voidwatch is probably the worst event to parse things at, you either live and parse high or die and parse low. Knowing that, and then only posting a selected parse is stupid and everyone should be aware of that.
This is my point behind the pick your poison, math or parse, post. We can't compare parses directly so you have to accept the implications of parsing first hand.
Quetzacoalt.Mitosis said:
inb4 "Chill", deleted posts, topic bans etc.
I've been banned from so many THF threads...
You can't use a parse to show DRK is a good DD, then make excuses for a SAM lagging behind in that parse... then just flat out reject a series of parses where a THF did well because "Oh those WARs must suck." Because then the rest of us turn around and go "How do we know the WARs you beat on DRK didn't suck? And that would make SAM even worse if they got beat by shitty WARs."
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
I also don't think that you can justify yourself saying "youre a hypocrite because you admit drk performing at 90% of top dd is the same as the performing 60%".
Not really my argument at all.
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Was lucky enough to catch one of Skinner's shouts today for Pil. I went War, him on Thf.
This was the "fairest" parse. I was only weakened for the first 23% (the others were all way worse)
Skinner's Thf won, but I probably would have top'd him had I been unweak from the start. We agreed he was probably a very close second place to me.
He finished 6% ahead of the nearest alternate DD besides me (to be fair, the other WAR was proccing, the MNK was pure Vsmite). SAM and COR were another 2% below that.
This was the "fairest" parse. I was only weakened for the first 23% (the others were all way worse)
Skinner's Thf won, but I probably would have top'd him had I been unweak from the start. We agreed he was probably a very close second place to me.
He finished 6% ahead of the nearest alternate DD besides me (to be fair, the other WAR was proccing, the MNK was pure Vsmite). SAM and COR were another 2% below that.
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Damage Summary Player Total Dmg Damage % Melee Dmg Range Dmg Abil. Dmg WSkill Dmg Spell Dmg Other Dmg Absorbed Dmg[/b] Asakari 8542 4.46 % 0 0 0 8542 0 0 0 Bhyehitset 2564 1.34 % 0 0 0 0 2564 0 0 Charandi 16719 8.72 % 7791 0 0 8898 28 2 0 Fayizma 1418 0.74 % 0 0 0 0 1418 0 0 Gipi 1464 0.76 % 0 0 0 0 1464 0 0 Gredival 29835 15.57 % 6263 0 0 23572 0 0 0 Hakubai 6504 3.39 % 1965 0 0 4539 0 0 0 Jada 2872 1.50 % 0 0 0 2872 0 0 0 Mastershift 1 0.00 % 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 Pankas 24158 12.61 % 8951 0 0 15207 0 0 0 Peuhobaud 1034 0.54 % 234 0 24 266 510 0 0 Sharonfr 19326 10.09 % 0 646 0 18680 0 0 0 Skinner 34955 18.24 % 12797 0 0 22158 0 0 0 Wasenshi 17415 9.09 % 6571 0 10608 185 0 51 0 Zohnax 24536 12.80 % 13532 0 0 11004 0 0 0 SC: Darkness 268 0.14 % 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 SC: Scission 12 0.01 % 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Total 191623 100.00 % 58104 646 10632 115923 5985 53 0 Melee Damage Player Melee Dmg Abs'd.Dmg Net Dmg Melee % Hit/Miss M.HR % M.Acc % M.Low/Hi M+0.Avg M-0.Avg[/b] Charandi 7791 0 7791 46.60 % 87/5 94.57 % 94.57 % 13/153 59.95 59.95 Gredival 6263 0 6263 20.99 % 24/0 100.00 % 100.00 % 71/293 189.89 189.89 Hakubai 1965 0 1965 30.21 % 21/5 80.77 % 80.77 % 12/231 78.53 78.53 Jada 0 0 0 0.00 % 1/4 20.00 % 20.00 % 0/0 0.00 NaN Pankas 8951 0 8951 37.05 % 34/0 100.00 % 100.00 % 127/551 211.07 211.07 Peuhobaud 234 0 234 22.63 % 13/29 30.95 % 30.95 % 0/24 8.00 14.67 Skinner 12797 0 12797 36.61 % 106/8 92.98 % 92.98 % 0/217 72.43 72.43 Wasenshi 6571 0 6571 37.73 % 24/2 92.31 % 92.31 % 0/303 215.76 215.76 Zohnax 13532 0 13532 55.15 % 86/7 92.47 % 92.47 % 0/281 125.16 125.16 Melee Crit Damage Player #Crit C.Low/Hi C-0.Avg Crit%[/b] Charandi 28 83/321 151.93 32.18 % Gredival 6 292/770 474.17 25.00 % Hakubai 2 170/303 236.50 9.52 % Jada 0 0/0 0.00 0.00 % Pankas 7 240/698 464.57 20.59 % Peuhobaud 2 60/86 73.00 15.38 % Skinner 48 99/557 179.08 45.28 % Wasenshi 7 250/554 414.71 29.17 % Zohnax 22 137/471 251.00 25.58 % Ranged Damage Player Range Dmg Range % Hit/Miss R.HR % R.Acc % R.Low/Hi R+0.Avg R-0.Avg #Crit C.Low/Hi C-0.Avg Crit%[/b] Sharonfr 646 3.34 % 3/0 100.00 % 100.00 % 0/0 215.33 215.33 0 204/234 0.00 0.00 % Other Magical Damage (Additional Effects and Spikes) Player M.AE Dmg # M.AE M.AE Avg R.AE Dmg # R.AE R.AE Avg Spk.Dmg # Spike Spk.Avg[/b] Charandi 2 1 2.00 0 0 0.00 0 0 0.00 Wasenshi 51 13 3.92 0 0 0.00 0 0 0.00 Weaponskill Damage Player WSkill Dmg Abs'd.Dmg Net Dmg WSkill % Hit/Miss WS.Acc % WS.Low/Hi WS.Avg[/b] Asakari 8542 0 8542 100.00 % 6/0 100.00 % 1413/1445 1423.67 - Wildfire 8542 0 8542 100.00 % 6/0 100.00 % 1413/1445 1423.67 Charandi 8898 0 8898 53.22 % 7/0 100.00 % 567/1952 1271.14 - Blade: Hi 8898 0 8898 100.00 % 7/0 100.00 % 567/1952 1271.14 Gredival 23572 0 23572 79.01 % 14/0 100.00 % 368/3615 1683.71 - Ukko's Fury 23572 0 23572 100.00 % 14/0 100.00 % 368/3615 1683.71 Hakubai 4539 0 4539 69.79 % 10/0 100.00 % 47/862 453.90 - Tachi: Fudo 1861 0 1861 41.00 % 3/0 100.00 % 492/713 620.33 - Tachi: Gekko 862 0 862 18.99 % 1/0 100.00 % 862/862 862.00 - Tachi: Goten 148 0 148 3.26 % 1/0 100.00 % 148/148 148.00 - Tachi: Jinpu 47 0 47 1.04 % 1/0 100.00 % 47/47 47.00 - Tachi: Kagero 92 0 92 2.03 % 1/0 100.00 % 92/92 92.00 - Tachi: Kasha 797 0 797 17.56 % 1/0 100.00 % 797/797 797.00 - Tachi: Koki 81 0 81 1.78 % 1/0 100.00 % 81/81 81.00 - Tachi: Yukikaze 651 0 651 14.34 % 1/0 100.00 % 651/651 651.00 Jada 2872 0 2872 100.00 % 2/0 100.00 % 1436/1436 1436.00 - Wildfire 2872 0 2872 100.00 % 2/0 100.00 % 1436/1436 1436.00 Pankas 15207 0 15207 62.95 % 13/0 100.00 % 160/3209 1169.77 - Armor Break 177 0 177 1.16 % 1/0 100.00 % 177/177 177.00 - Fell Cleave 1067 0 1067 7.02 % 1/0 100.00 % 1067/1067 1067.00 - Full Break 278 0 278 1.83 % 1/0 100.00 % 278/278 278.00 - Iron Tempest 160 0 160 1.05 % 1/0 100.00 % 160/160 160.00 - Keen Edge 548 0 548 3.60 % 1/0 100.00 % 548/548 548.00 - Raging Rush 1129 0 1129 7.42 % 1/0 100.00 % 1129/1129 1129.00 - Steel Cyclone 1214 0 1214 7.98 % 1/0 100.00 % 1214/1214 1214.00 - Sturmwind 382 0 382 2.51 % 1/0 100.00 % 382/382 382.00 - Ukko's Fury 10018 0 10018 65.88 % 4/0 100.00 % 1532/3209 2504.50 - Weapon Break 234 0 234 1.54 % 1/0 100.00 % 234/234 234.00 Peuhobaud 266 0 266 25.73 % 3/0 100.00 % 21/131 88.67 - Sanguine Blade 21 0 21 7.89 % 1/0 100.00 % 21/21 21.00 - Savage Blade 114 0 114 42.86 % 1/0 100.00 % 114/114 114.00 - Vorpal Blade 131 0 131 49.25 % 1/0 100.00 % 131/131 131.00 Sharonfr 18680 0 18680 96.66 % 12/0 100.00 % 1503/1586 1556.67 - Wildfire 18680 0 18680 100.00 % 12/0 100.00 % 1503/1586 1556.67 Skinner 22158 0 22158 63.39 % 11/0 100.00 % 908/3325 2014.36 - Evisceration 6119 0 6119 27.62 % 5/0 100.00 % 908/2097 1223.80 - Mercy Stroke 16039 0 16039 72.38 % 6/0 100.00 % 2212/3325 2673.17 Wasenshi 185 0 185 1.06 % 1/0 100.00 % 185/185 185.00 - Herculean Slash 185 0 185 100.00 % 1/0 100.00 % 185/185 185.00 Zohnax 11004 0 11004 44.85 % 5/0 100.00 % 1396/2949 2200.80 - Victory Smite 11004 0 11004 100.00 % 5/0 100.00 % 1396/2949 2200.80 Ability Damage Player Abil. Dmg Abs'd.Dmg Net Dmg Abil. % Hit/Miss A.Acc % A.Low/Hi A.Avg[/b] Peuhobaud 24 0 24 2.32 % 1/0 100.00 % 24/24 24.00 - Requiescat 24 0 24 100.00 % 1/0 100.00 % 24/24 24.00 Wasenshi 10608 0 10608 60.91 % 6/0 100.00 % 1490/2252 1768.00 - Resolution 10608 0 10608 100.00 % 6/0 100.00 % 1490/2252 1768.00 Spell Damage Player Spell Dmg Abs'd.Dmg Net Dmg Spell % #Spells #Fail S.Low/Hi S.Avg #MBurst[/b] Bhyehitset 2564 0 2564 100.00 % 5 0 451/603 512.80 0 - Flood 451 0 451 17.59 % 1 0 451/451 451.00 0 - Flood II 502 0 502 19.58 % 1 0 502/502 502.00 0 - Freeze 453 0 453 17.67 % 1 0 453/453 453.00 0 - Freeze II 603 0 603 23.52 % 1 0 603/603 603.00 0 - Waterja 555 0 555 21.65 % 1 0 555/555 555.00 0 Charandi 28 0 28 0.17 % 3 0 0/18 9.33 0 - Raiton: Ichi 0 0 0 0.00 % 1 0 0/0 0.00 0 - Raiton: Ni 10 0 10 35.71 % 1 0 10/10 10.00 0 - Raiton: San 18 0 18 64.29 % 1 0 18/18 18.00 0 Fayizma 1418 0 1418 100.00 % 8 0 49/560 177.25 0 - Blizzaga 206 0 206 14.53 % 2 0 72/134 103.00 0 - Blizzaga II 307 0 307 21.65 % 1 0 307/307 307.00 0 - Stonega 49 0 49 3.46 % 1 0 49/49 49.00 0 - Waterga 65 0 65 4.58 % 1 0 65/65 65.00 0 - Waterga II 150 0 150 10.58 % 1 0 150/150 150.00 0 - Waterga III 81 0 81 5.71 % 1 0 81/81 81.00 0 - Waterja 560 0 560 39.49 % 1 0 560/560 560.00 0 Gipi 1464 0 1464 100.00 % 10 0 0/346 74.22 1 - Blizzard II 116 0 116 7.92 % 1 0 116/116 116.00 0 - Blizzard III 111 0 111 7.58 % 1 0 111/111 111.00 0 - Blizzard IV 346 0 346 23.63 % 1 0 346/346 346.00 0 - Dia II 4 0 4 0.27 % 3 0 0/4 1.33 0 - Dia III 3 0 3 0.20 % 1 0 3/3 3.00 0 - Water II 8 0 8 0.55 % 1 0 8/8 8.00 0 - Water III 80 0 80 5.46 % 1 0 80/80 80.00 0 - Water IV 796 0 796 54.37 % 1 0 0/0 0.00 1 Grusilug 0 0 0 0.00 % 11 0 0/0 0.00 0 - Dia 0 0 0 0.00 % 11 0 0/0 0.00 0 Mastershift 1 0 1 100.00 % 3 0 0/1 0.33 0 - Dia II 1 0 1 100.00 % 3 0 0/1 0.33 0 Peuhobaud 510 0 510 49.32 % 7 0 0/231 72.86 0 - Dia II 0 0 0 0.00 % 2 0 0/0 0.00 0 - Eyes On Me 15 0 15 2.94 % 1 0 15/15 15.00 0 - Ice Break 76 0 76 14.90 % 1 0 76/76 76.00 0 - Magnetite Cloud 10 0 10 1.96 % 1 0 10/10 10.00 0 - Quad. Continuum 178 0 178 34.90 % 1 0 178/178 178.00 0 - Radiant Breath 231 0 231 45.29 % 1 0 231/231 231.00 0 Skillchain Damage Skillchain SC Dmg Abs'd.Dmg Net Dmg # SC SC.Low/Hi SC.Avg[/b] SC: Darkness 268 0 268 1 268/268 268.00 SC: Scission 12 0 12 1 12/12 12.00
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Hmm I'd love to see Skinner's gear. His numbers are almost identical to mine. I've never done 4k on pil though, wonder what buffs he had.
His gear is top-notch for the most part. I had a COR giving me Miser's and Tactician. I have no idea what he had.
One caveat though, I don't have Stalwart/Champs
One caveat though, I don't have Stalwart/Champs
That would explain the low Ukko average. That nin's blade:hi is a bit higher than I'm used to seeing, but still pretty horrible relative to a real DD. Other than that, the numbers look normal to me.
Well from reading this entire topic I have learned that a great THF can't out do a great SAM/WAR/DRK/MNK, and if they so happen to it's a fluke. I was really hoping to get some valuable info from this topic but it looks like that won't ever happen because nerd raging SAM's,DRK's, and WAR's have to ruin it for us. So can we plz get back to the Topic of "Thief in VW" without any trolling from some Lucian Freud-looking pussies like Generic.
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I think it was already answered. THF has no procs of their own, if you are going to zerg, you would bring zerging jobs.
Parses really don't mean anything. Parsing in VW is bar for the worst to compare when not everyone is going all out due to procs.
Parses really don't mean anything. Parsing in VW is bar for the worst to compare when not everyone is going all out due to procs.
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I take a thief because every time I do someone's getting bodies and more scrolls/plates/pouches. without there is a noticeable difference over the course of the last few months i've been at it.
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I love my thf to death. My rudras are smexy. My gear is (almost) perfect.
But ill keep bringing my ridiculously more powerful mythic drg for zergs or lolWildfire Rng for procs/ranged damage/phy resist mobs to VW :P
But ill keep bringing my ridiculously more powerful mythic drg for zergs or lolWildfire Rng for procs/ranged damage/phy resist mobs to VW :P
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Not sure if this Is widely known, but when we I do Qilin/uptala I cap Green Light, and I usually get about 18k cruor everytime I kill...
there was a thf in our pt for a few kills, He managed to get Treasure hunter 8, and we got about 21k cruor...
I like to do Uptala and Qilin for cruor/plates, So im thinking bringing 1 thf and telling him to focus on nothing but stacking Treasure hunter for the extra curor.....
May not be the usefulness In VW thf was looking for...but hey its something right? >_>
there was a thf in our pt for a few kills, He managed to get Treasure hunter 8, and we got about 21k cruor...
I like to do Uptala and Qilin for cruor/plates, So im thinking bringing 1 thf and telling him to focus on nothing but stacking Treasure hunter for the extra curor.....
May not be the usefulness In VW thf was looking for...but hey its something right? >_>
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