[dev1063] Job Adjustments: Warrior

finally they change something

Calm down.

Completion time is irrelevant, and the completion time is a lot more similar to Emps than you're giving credit for. Lets say you take 2 and a half months to finish a relic. That's 140 hours of farming dynamis. That's a little over 5 and a half days of farming Dynamis.

What I meant when I said it was the right order, was that they didn't nerf relics to make a weapon better. Empyreans were better when they came out, and that's how all things should be. Nerfing isn't the right way to balance

interjecting in the discussion you two are having here...but arnt the majority of relic ws like..always been weak? GK scythe and bow/gun are only ones that are coming up in my head as "good" even then mostly due to utility (hp drain on scythe, hateless on gun, etc). the weapons themselves are more powerful and remain as such given the last bonus to the weapon. It is important to take that into account(at least in this topic)

I would say that collecting 1500 Heavy Metal Plates costs as much or more than a relic. Analogies with relics are pretty irrelevant though.

you spent 200mil on axe and it still took you a few months? >_>

While I do agree with your "balance through nerfing is not the way" mindset, I do have to disagree with you on this.

140 hours at 2 hours a day is A LOT harder to commit to than burning through 50/50/75 Abyssea drops in a 3-5 day binge.

I personally can't commit to two hours every day of my life to do Dynamis. I -can- spend 8-12 hours a day on the weekend binging on Abyssea.

If you can do Dynamis non-stop, THEN they would be equal.

As it stands, they are not.

Idk how it is on your server but on Bahamut plates cost around 140k and for lower price you need to spam VW as much as possible to get singles and buy from ppl on camp and shouts for hours in Jeuno.

"My Ukon is soooo good!"
"Wheres your Ukon nub?"
"Ukkos all the things!"

This is what you get now. Thank you SE.

Yeah, he's not talking about the level 90 version of the weapon.

Your heart is in the right place and you're living up to the spirit of the game. In theory, I'm right there with you and I wish this was feesible.

But pragmatically speaking, warrior rocking out with a polearm or one-hander compared to a much-higher-rated two-hander weapon is not appropriate if you're trying to "be all that you can be," so to speak.

Except you ignoring lvl 95 stage of Empyrean like its never existed and some ppl like me are already collecting Riftdross...

I don't want to pressure you, but I think you should probably give me lots of Riftdross. It's showing up in Bazaars for 2mil each in Lakshmi...

PS. pressurepressure riftdross

'bout time they bring that.

2M is kinda funny price assuming 500 needed.
I only got 3 so far and I have seacom to buy it for 400k. I was planning to rise a price if they will lower amount needed tho.

Level 99 relics don't get any sort of free pass here.

Plus, no ones looking at the silver lining here. Its going to be so much easier to walk around without you warriors making craters all over the place with ukkos. Also: upheaval looks awsome.

Lets not talk about stuff that is not even known yet.
I think we can all agree that 1000 items from Arch DL would be Ultimate fail even for Tanaka. Personally I think they will start thinking and change it to 100x kill or something like that.

First I'll say that I am not pleased by this announcement. I am a War and yes I have a Ukon.
That having been said, I guess I should have seen this coming. In Abyssea (I know, I know - irrelevant content) I could hit 100% crit rate and Crit Damage on Ukko's with BR up at 100% tp (nevermind the 300% tp crit rate numbers). I'm sure that's not working as intended. I'm less frustrated by the effort put in to make my Ukon than the gil and time I spent getting augments and support gear to make this 100/100 possible. Couple this with the recent Restraint nerf and I'm getting the feeling that Tanaka would prefer War not be in the game at all. It's amounting to a war on Warriors.
Even so, I can see how other jobs might get offended by Blood Rage and its incredible output. Numerous JA were introduced to act as a mini-2hr. One example is Blm's manawell. In order for Manawell to be for blm what BR is for war, it would have to have a massive amount of MAB applied to its usage. That's not a mini-2hr. That's a new offensive tool. In essence, this is what BR is/was.
Sorry for the long post. Trying to be rational about this since it's likely out of our hands, but yea...I'm pissed.

The worst thing is... we wont even know how bad will be this nerf till the last moment, which pretty much force me to hold on everything because I can be *** in the *** again.

That'd be a bit more ok with me. Personally I think the 1500 plates is assinine too. I'm helping someone collect them for her shield, but we're not buying because even 100k/pop is WAY too much for them and if they adjust the trial before we have enough plates collected for one, then we're that much further ahead.

Frankly, endgame weapons in general have become totally f---ed because of all the adjustments.

It's nice that they're more readily available to people in general, but the end stages require you to pretty much live in the game to either 1) make money or 2) collect all the drops yourself.

I am not ok with this.

sure

Where have you been in these past 10 years of ffxi? That's the norm lol.

Also drk has been getting the short end of the stick for years. Pup was shafted and now finally they are getting improved. War has and always was a beasty *** job, so them doing this isn't gonna change 95% of the wars out there. The only ones who are gonna notice it are the top endgame wars out there. Lots of jobs have been boned over the years and will continue to be. War getting a nerf now isn't a big deal. QQ

Come talk to me about Tanaka not wanting a job in the game when your main was Rdm.

Rdm is my only 95 I haven't brought to 99 yet because I see no reason for it =/

I am/was a main RDM. There's been so little reason to use it now that I've barely touched it.

But, this is how it starts. SE is showing every indication that they intend to nerf and/or leave WAR out in the cold until it's pushed into obscurity. It's pathetic. Like mentioned, the only reason they have job traits to "compensate" with is because they witheld them from this past update while other jobs got something.

Instead of spending development time screwing with a job that's perfectly fine as it is, they should be finding ways to improve jobs that need to be stronger. Buffs, not nerfs.

I'm sorry I've seen good wars just obliterate nms like it's nothing. I have to agree it's overpowered. Seen war solo Turul like it was a East Ron bunny. Bandwagon is bandwagon, and people thought the champagne and caviar dreams would last forever.

I would also like to point out, that Ukko's is only a standout weaponskill because of the extra crit rate. Assuming the same crit rate and typical (ukkos) ws gear outside of Abyssea:

rr = 204 * 3.4 * 2.5 = 1734 * 1.22 = 2115
ukkos = 241 * 3.4 * 2.5 = 2048 * 1.22 = 2499
oldUkkos = 241 * 3.4 * 2.9 = 2376 * 1.22 = 2899

I am, of course for simplicity, assuming the same 10% crit rate of RR and 100% TP, as well as a pretty weak 105 mob. This is just a quick estimate as well, a more in-depth analysis would distort this.

So roughly a 14% nerf to Ukko's if it's reduced to the same crit rate as RR? I hate this game.

*the sound of the big wooden badger from monty python's holy grail rolling up*....

hear that? thats the sound of the SAM bandwagon coming to town.