The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

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 Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-04 19:16:20
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I've been updating page 1, someone(s) should go through and quote discussions that definitely need to be on P1!
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By Phoenix.Tsuekasa 2012-05-04 19:46:17
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What is the possible evasion cap for pretty much most of Abby? Just been wondering as to if any of the atma with evasion is acutally worth even using on dnc (but would probably need it for my mnk's evasion).
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-04 19:49:28
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Depends on the target and their accuracy. Evasion doesn't "cap" per se, but enemy hit rate has a minimum value at 20%, meaning that once you reach 80% evasion, additional evasion will do absolutely nothing.

Against most targets in Abyssea, a Dancer will be capped to nearly capped on Evasion naked after Standard (RR/GH/Apoc) atmas.
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By mortontony1 2012-05-06 18:42:55
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Was there ever a decision as to what was a better offhand, new AH dagger or str dagger? Inside/out?
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By Asura.Ina 2012-05-07 08:23:57
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mortontony1 said: »
Was there ever a decision as to what was a better offhand, new AH dagger or str dagger? Inside/out?
Was wondering about it as well, I'm not 100% sure but pritty sure the lower delay on STR dagger makes it pull ahead. It would make a good substitute until having the str dagger though.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-07 08:59:37
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STR daggers are better, but the difference is small.

Inside Abyssea, the jambiya probably pulls ahead, but who cares.
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By Kalima 2012-05-07 09:13:12
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Maybe that would be a good thing to have on the front page since i see that question come up a lot: which combination of daggers is better than others. Or at least a better way of finding out.


And while we're on the subject I'll ask my question: im going to be finishing up my 90 twash soon and start qilin spamming for pouches so eventually would expect a coruscanti to drop. Would i be bbetter off pairing 90 twash with it or stick to STR thokcha?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-07 09:18:39
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That depends on the target.

If your attack is high compared to the enemy's defense, and/or you have capped fSTR, Coruscanti starts to pull ahead.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 12:07:25
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Front page updated with new section.

Bismarck.Sylow said: »
DNC 102-2: Augments

DNC is sort of lucky in that we don't get any sky armor, so we don't have to play the lottery all that much with random augments. We do, however, benefit pretty heavily from some static-augment quest reward gear, and people are often sort of confused as to what they should get, so here's a quick guide to augments for DNC!

In each case, I'm mostly assuming you don't benefit from other augments more on another job. If you can't do a waltz head, then don't play DNC, simple as that. There is no other augment for any other job that is more useful than that one is for DNC!

Anwig Salade



Essential Augment
"Waltz" Ability Delay -2

This augment GREATLY increases your HP/time efficiency. It's not optional. If you're going to play DNC regularly, you want this augment.


Second Augment

There's not a lot to choose from for a second augment here. If you're exclusively using it for a waltz head, you can grab some extra -enmity or +CHR, or you can augment it with magic damage taken to make it a space-saver piece.

Desultor Tassets


Not-Essential But Recommended Augment
"Waltz" TP Cost -5

This is a pretty nice augment, but it won't make or break you. It increases your HP/TP efficiency nicely. It also works for Sambas, just to point that out.


Second Augment
There's not much from which to choose on a DNC-centric perspective. Physical Damage Taken -4% is a good choice, since that's the most we can get in a leg slot anyway!

Mirke Wardecors

Actually, DNC doesn't get much use out of this. We have better options for almost every purpose, except for one: Fast Cast body. If you really have nothing better for which to use this body, you can augment it with Fast Cast +5 and Evasion +10 for casting Utsusemi. I think just about any other job can get better use out of an ACP body, though.

Moonshade Earring

Moonshade isn't make or break for DNC.

Allow me to make this perfectly clear: Under no circumstances should you be wearring a Regain moonshade earring. Maybe it's good for RNG or something, but it's not good for any engaged melee, don't even think about it. Hey, I see you thinking about it. Stop that. If you're like, super mage-centric you can make a refresh earring or something, but virtually all melee jobs benefit from the following augment pair, so you can get a lot of use out of the following earring:


TP Bonus +25
Attack +4

For many WS, this is the all-end-all earring and it's difficult to beat. For critical WS, it offers a nice critical hit rate boost as well as a boost to attack. For attack varying WS, it offers a substantial attack boost. For fTP varying WS, it directly increases the damage as well as provides attack. Put simply, it's a very sexy earring.

Dance Shoes

You can receive these augmented with up to +4% Waltz Potency by completing the Abyssea-Tahrongi quest A Sterling Specimen, although it will likely take you hundreds of attempts.

HQ Hexed Gear Augmented with Legion Items

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By Phoenix.Elspetta 2012-05-10 12:14:00
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Maybe it's good for RNG or something, but it's not good for any engaged melee, don't even think about it. Hey, I see you thinking about it. Stop that.
LOL ... this is great though!

I have been going back and forth about fast cast on the head for mages or waltz. Looks like waltz it is!
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 12:38:15
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For mages, Scholar has AF2 head and everyone gets Nares/Hyaline, just to further the "no other job gets as much benefit" idea.
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By Bismarck.Phetty 2012-05-10 13:31:27
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Do you think splitting the pants between waltz tp cost and phanton roll reduction would be worth it? Cant see anything else be worth it to pair with -phantom roll recast besides maybe MAB for a few things.
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By Phoenix.Cell 2012-05-10 14:08:09
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85 Twashtar! Feels great.



Thanks to this thread for the motivation to get it done. On a side note, Im having problems with my DNC xml for when Saber is up to equip Etoile Tights +2. I tried when Buff is active rule = equip, but doesnt work. How do you do this properly?
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-05-10 14:14:26
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Macro for Saber Dance and equip the pants at the same time? :S
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By Phoenix.Elspetta 2012-05-10 14:20:29
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Phoenix.Cell said: »
85 Twashtar! Feels great.



Thanks to this thread for the motivation to get it done. On a side note, Im having problems with my DNC xml for when Saber is up to equip Etoile Tights +2. I tried when Buff is active rule = equip, but doesnt work. How do you do this properly?
Congrats Cell!
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 14:50:25
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Phoenix.Cell said: »
85 Twashtar! Feels great.



Thanks to this thread for the motivation to get it done. On a side note, Im having problems with my DNC xml for when Saber is up to equip Etoile Tights +2. I tried when Buff is active rule = equip, but doesnt work. How do you do this properly?


I have a separate set.

pseudocode:
(if spell="Saber Dance")
(equip when=midcast)
(legs)Etoile Tights +2(/legs)


(if buffactive="Saber Dance")
(equip when="engaged|aftercast" set="SaberAssault")

There are better ways to handle it, but I'm a pretty basic user of spellcast.
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By Phoenix.Cell 2012-05-10 15:16:32
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Thanks. Man, the Bizarro Sylow account avatar is freaking me out a little.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 15:25:35
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Actually, I never really noticed but lol



It is sort of jekyll-and-hyde-ish.
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By Phoenix.Cell 2012-05-10 16:53:49
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Actually, I never really noticed but lol



It is sort of jekyll-and-hyde-ish.

Its even freakier like that. Do you super dance across all servers?!
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 16:59:20
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I've been exclusively SCH or COR for the past few weeks ;<
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-10 17:00:54
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
I've been exclusively SCH or COR for the past few weeks ;<
speaking of sch, un-dc and embrava me ;(
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 17:28:37
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Done, but why the *** do you need Embrava to leech?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-10 17:38:55
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Done, but why the *** do you need Embrava to leech?
regen to avoid mpk
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By Solrain 2012-05-10 18:41:18
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Desultor Tassets


Not-Essential But Recommended Augment
"Waltz" TP Cost -5

This is a pretty nice augment, but it won't make or break you. It increases your HP/TP efficiency nicely. It also works for Sambas, just to point that out.

***, does it really?
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 18:49:15
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I was pretty sure it did, but I could be mistaken. Wiki used to say it does, but now it doesn't say one way or the other.

Easy for someone to test that's not me since I can't leave abyssea atm.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 18:56:42
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Either way, I was sure it did at one point (tested it because I was skeptical about Wiki). It's possible that it was a ninja-patch at some point after I tested it, though.
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By Solrain 2012-05-10 19:42:12
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Aww nope, just tested it. Must have been patched.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 19:49:50
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I'll fix it then :<
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2012-05-10 19:52:06
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Fixed, added link to waltz efficiency page on BGWIKI.
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By mortontony1 2012-05-10 19:56:44
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »

Fenrir? Did you come to visit me?
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