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 Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-03-05 14:14:03
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
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BRD COR and RCB are very important... on top of normal VS, zerk, and stalwart. It'll be better if you also have DRK in PT for optimum Chaos roll.

Pffh. Forget that. Tell your Corsair to put on his Commodore Tricorne and pay Lady Luck a complement or two so she's smilin' for him.

+2 Tricorne for better chance at job bonus!
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-03-05 16:28:07
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Asura.Vrytreya said: »
BRD COR and RCB are very important... on top of normal VS, zerk, and stalwart. It'll be better if you also have DRK in PT for optimum Chaos roll.

Yeah. I don't normally use chaos roll because I think the regain adds up to more DoT, *especially* on RNG when shots can take awhile to fire. I could be wrong though. But, I'm guessing that once the save tp nerf hits, everyone will be using regain anyway.

Ramyrez, just make sure you're /war and single-wielding. No point in using staff on RNG anymore, unless you're using wildfire. Also the terebellum mantle is really easy to get.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2012-03-05 17:04:42
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Bismarck.Helel said: »
Asura.Vrytreya said: »
BRD COR and RCB are very important... on top of normal VS, zerk, and stalwart. It'll be better if you also have DRK in PT for optimum Chaos roll.

Yeah. I don't normally use chaos roll because I think the regain adds up to more DoT, *especially* on RNG when shots can take awhile to fire. I could be wrong though. But, I'm guessing that once the save tp nerf hits, everyone will be using regain anyway.

Ramyrez, just make sure you're /war and single-wielding. No point in using staff on RNG anymore, unless you're using wildfire. Also the terebellum mantle is really easy to get.

If I even have gun on while on ranger I do, in fact, use Wildfire the majority of the time; it's not Coronach, but it's -some- enmity supression. Only end up using Last Stand on ranger when something is strong vs. magic damage.

I'm not sure on the math of Terebellum vs. Sylvan. I was leaning toward the 6 mod + str, though. I've played ranger all of maybe four times in the past three months.
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-03-10 17:55:08
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Why are people fond of this Carabineer's dagger? Nguul I can understand, a good amount on AGI onit and the obvios RATK+.

Carabineer's dagger STR+5 RATK+12 enmity+4 (though in atleast VW, kinda irrevelant)

Vulcan's Staff STR+5 RATK+10 + Axe grip (STR+3) or Gatta Grip (STR+3, DEX+3)

Cant say I'm a big math wizard, but I don't think you'll be capping fSTR2 on most top-teir VW past cities.
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-03-10 17:57:00
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i think for /war and fencer tp bonus? not sure though
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-03-10 17:57:44
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Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »
i think for /war and fencer tp bonus? not sure though

Yeah, this is why.
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-03-10 18:12:25
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Ah, I see
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-03-11 04:26:03
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Is this the best last stand set I could use /war? Moonshade has rattk+4 tp bonus+25

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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-03-11 04:39:47
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Wouldn't you want to go Oneiros Knife if you weren't using a baseball bat?
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-03-11 04:44:05
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
Wouldn't you want to go Oneiros Knife if you weren't using a baseball bat?

huh?
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-03-11 04:53:07
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Last stand doesn't crit. Oneiros Knife only worth of 6 AGI, inferior to Nguul.

If thaumas isn't impossible to you, then get Thaumas Kecks and Hat

EDIT: heck, even NQ Euxine hat is good enough to replace HQ Ocelomeh headpiece
and Euxine Kecks +2 is good enough to replace Ambusher's hose
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-03-11 05:01:31
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ah cool, i didnt even think of those. can spam it now that i have tags!
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By Carbuncle.Haseo 2012-03-11 06:23:43
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Hohenheim whats the dmg like with Trueflight with that?
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-03-11 06:31:05
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Considering it was down right awful at 75, one would assume that it's still entirely unusable, which only serves to accentuate the shortcomings of the weapon itself. Where as the other Mythic weapons' aftermaths dramatically increase TP and WS damage, the latter by virtue of such a substantial boost to WS frequency, Gastraphetes' cuts the benefit quite painfully. I have a sneaking suspicion that the weapon as a whole is a downgrade from magian options, pending the impact of the Snapshot increase.
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-03-11 06:40:24
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Carbuncle.Haseo said: »
Hohenheim whats the dmg like with Trueflight with that?

still the same as without, lvl90 version gets a +15% bonus, then another +15% bonus at 99 iirc. trueflight sucks pretty much! though i pull 3k in abyssea with atma :x makes trials easy at least.
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By Carbuncle.Haseo 2012-03-11 07:08:43
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So Armageddon and Annihilator probably a better option then for Last Stand?
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-03-11 07:56:49
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Carbuncle.Haseo said: »
So Armageddon and Annihilator probably a better option then for Last Stand?

Definitely. They are both pretty close to each other @99: they have the same base damage (for the first time out of all the trials); armageddon has no ranged attack boost, but it has +20 AGI which will have a pretty big impact on a 100% AGI WS. I haven't done the math but I'm assuming that armageddon will pull ahead in situations where your ranged attack is capped, and annihilator will likely win in the majority of situations when your attack is not capped. Of course, if you need accuracy then annihilator will pull ahead as well.

I'm currently upgrading armageddon 95->99 myself and leaving my annihilator @95 for now so I don't have to deal with the ADL BS.

Also gonna reemphasize what VZX mentioned about the euxine hat. Even the NQ is currently the best option for last stand headpiece.
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By Siren.Hellscream 2012-04-01 20:16:14
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Has anyone tried 5/5 Last Stand not using a gun? Just curious and frustrated from going melee to Fjalar.



Moonshade is attack+4 TP bonus+25
Maybe swap out rings for AGI+?

Edit: What should I use on weapon/off-hand?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-04-01 20:24:21
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Siren.Hellscream said: »
Has anyone tried 5/5 Last Stand not using a gun? Just curious and frustrated from going melee to Fjalar.



Moonshade is attack+4 TP bonus+25
Maybe swap out rings for AGI+?

Edit: What should I use on weapon/off-hand?
inb4 Hohenheim
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-04-01 20:51:20
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Gastraphetes!

I need to finish my last stand set :x Starting new nyzul isle wednesday though!

Is af2+2 hands and terebellum mantle really better than seiryu/sylvan?
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By Siren.Hellscream 2012-04-01 20:55:08
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Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »
Is af2+2 hands and terebellum mantle really better than seiryu/sylvan?

I have both sets macro'd.. gonna try both in VW and see.
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By Siren.Hellscream 2012-04-01 20:57:36
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How about shield or off-hand options for RNG/WAR? Looks like Nguul is the way to go, but I don't see many options to pair with it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-04-01 21:25:44
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Leviathan.Hohenheim said: »
Is af2+2 hands and terebellum mantle really better than seiryu/sylvan?
Yes, R.Att helps Last Stand immensely
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-04-01 21:27:35
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Siren.Hellscream said: »
Has anyone tried 5/5 Last Stand not using a gun? Just curious and frustrated from going melee to Fjalar.



Moonshade is attack+4 TP bonus+25
Maybe swap out rings for AGI+?

Edit: What should I use on weapon/off-hand?
Check previous page. I got 2 SS with Moros Crossbow

EDIT: 3 actually
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By Siren.Hellscream 2012-04-02 10:53:16
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Asura.Vrytreya said: »
Siren.Hellscream said: »
Has anyone tried 5/5 Last Stand not using a gun? Just curious and frustrated from going melee to Fjalar.



Moonshade is attack+4 TP bonus+25
Maybe swap out rings for AGI+?

Edit: What should I use on weapon/off-hand?
Check previous page. I got 2 SS with Moros Crossbow

EDIT: 3 actually

I guess I should read carefully next time lol... now to track down some adaman bolts on my server.
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By Bahamut.Ragni 2012-04-05 11:00:55
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I have question about Atmacites since now we can wear up to 3 and SE wont add anymore. So i was wondering which ones are the best combo for Last Stand.

I'm currently using

Atmacite of the Valiant: HP+10% All attributes +15 Accuracy+5 Haste+5%
Atmacite of Onslaught: DEX+5 AGI+15 Spell interruption rate down 30%
Atmacite of Coercion: STR+5 AGI+5 Accuracy+10 "Regain"+3


List of all Atmacites
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By Leviathan.Seeum 2012-04-05 12:53:54
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Siren.Hellscream said: »
How about shield or off-hand options for RNG/WAR? Looks like Nguul is the way to go, but I don't see many options to pair with it.

Legion Scutum is pretty much your only option. It's not an amazing addition (especially with Anni), but better than an open slot. Also free and easy enough to obtain if you know someone spamming ZNM for mythic upgrade.
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By Lakshmi.Bromber 2012-04-19 12:12:08
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Since the Nyzul update I have 3/4 of these, just missing the feet.

Would Terebellum be better over emp back?
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By Asura.Kenrusai 2012-04-19 20:23:32
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yes, but also, a 2nd stormsoul and tp bonus moonshade will improve your set. I think theres also a new body out that is better than AF3 body, popular belief is that AF3 body's enhances velocity shot gives a ratk/racc boost, this, however is false. The bonus on it is only an increase to firing speed (snapshot+)
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