Tachi: Shoha

i did 18.5% of the total damage (still first if it mattered)
time hits/misses
06:03 38/3
04:05 28/1
04:42 40/2
07:15 29/3
04:06 38/0
04:21 44/1
03:24 25/2
03:58 36/1
too lazy to do the rest

leader wanted to hold sometimes for white proc, explaining the 6 and 7 minute fights

but I don't see how an average of 36.38 swings (including misses, DA, hassozhin) is "swinging too much" for 3-7 minute fights, especially considering amnesia on Kaggen.

These are pick-up groups based off of a key 5-10ish players from Audacity + 2-3 people from my LS who normally go.

Coming from someone who has a parser running on literally everything I do, I think you guys are just severely underestimating what you are actually doing damage-wise.

Set up your own parses in VWNM and see for yourselves.

edit: Tachi: Shoha low565/high4194 average2208.15 from 150 WS
with /war and VWNM temps as only ATT buffs, if anyone who has a decent sample size using TP bonus GK can compare to?

20/80 should be about right for a SAM.

You did 66k dmg to Kaggen in 1 fight or all 15?
I'm confused now

I never said i did 66kdmg in a single fight.

I said

the 14k was 35% of 40k, as I gave ranges. Sorry for any confusion.

Not quite sure where people are getting the extra 10~30 Save TP to where they don't have to swing 2-3 times before weaponskilling again, but a 20/80 split for a Samurai in Voidwatch is about right.

Typical buffs

Net you 20atma+25misers+18ish WS = 63 swing 22 = regain6-10 = WS

So yeah you'll need med up, 2 tics of regain, 2 swings, or DA/zanhasso to proc to reach 100tp. With Shoha atleast you can get 100tp again before the animation is done.

Forgot AF2+2a body (unconfirmed 10tp return) and savetp. I've definitely had multiple 70tp return WSs. (maybe a cap?)

5TP from Saotome Domaru +2, right now it's 5 per hit of the weaponskill which is why 10 was being reported with Shoha, but that's being adjusted.

You sure?

I was told 10savetp from Fudo. But haven't seen proof either way.

This is what I was talking about. I can't tell if u did 66k dmg in 1 of those fights or 66k dmg total in all 15

80% sure. Will go check on the test server real quick.

It's far from impresive, too.

I did 542347 over 15 fights. 127373(23.49%) of the 542347 damage is melee damage.

SAM damage spread is roughly 20/80 (in this case, it was 23/77)

People were trolling and saying that SAM melee dmg is junk, as a way to make Masamune ODD and Amano 2.5x proc seem irrelevant as an argument to how Masamune and Amano compare to TP Bonus GK.

I was highlighting how 127k damage over 15 fights came from only melee damage, and how melee damage is important to consider, even if it is only 20% of your total damage on SAM in VWNM.

Although, I still don't see where you get 66k damage from :(

Only gear = Masamune/Dracua Couse, Saotome Domaru +2 (where applicable), and Danzo sune-ate

5/5 Overwhelm, 5/5 Store TP



Tachi: Fudo

TP without Saotome Domaru: 15
TP with Saotome Domaru: 21


Tachi: Shoha

TP without Saotome Domaru: 16
TP with Saotome Domaru: 27


Penta Thrust

TP without Saotome Domaru: 23
TP with Saotome Domaru: 49

5 TP per hit of the weaponskill.



Random note, was having some amazing Shoha ACC issues. Probably just a placebo, but meh.

It's all getting fixed to a static 1 save tp/overwhelm merit anyways

Yes already mentioned that, just providing evidence that it is not currently 10 TP for a 1-hit WS like Fudo.

Never said 1savetp per merit, thats why it was debated.

5 savetp is kinda meh, 10 was awesome.

That 5savetp works on AoE weaponskills too.
Sonic thrust > a billion tp

*fSTR is assuming that the mob you're fighting has 130 VIT.


Masamune 90, Gorget, Belt

114D and 177STR

114 + 150 + 12 = 276
276 * 2.5703125 = 709


Masamune 90, Ganesha mala, Beir belt +1

114 + 158 + 15 = 287
287 * 2.375 = 681

Masamune 90, Gorget, Beir belt +1

114 + 158 + 15 = 287
287 * 2.47265625 = 709



Nvm, belt+gorget and beir+gorget are about the same. It comes down to extra attack from STR vs. some conserve TP and presumably 10 ACC per hit. Ganesha's is only mentioned as to avoid confusion of some sort.

So essentially, you're usually best off with belt+gorget.

Yay :D that about fits with my math for 2hits with 50% ODD spread.

I can't think of a single mob where SAMs fSTR won't be capped in their WS set. Redo those numbers with 226 STR (my set) and you'll see gorget/belt is best.

Edit: Slow internet at work! You must have corrected it right as I was posting.

226 STR how? Assuming your WS set is the same one that was posted a couple of pages back, with Hume STR you have 164STR in WS set, 179 with Braver's Drink. Elvaans don't have 47 more STR than Hume.

As for fSTR not being capped, most Voidwatch NMs. Preliminary testing on INT shows that they have rather high stats.

I'm not logged in but I'd be fairly close to that if you include Hasso and RCB.