Blade Jin < Blade Shun ?? Please?..

So after it's all said and done, with 5/5 Merits would it be worth seeking out this extra WS set? Meaning, is the damage output worthwhile?

I'm also wondering should I worry about getting level 90 Kannagi or just skip it and go with the new WS. I've read a few of the posts but haven't see a clear answer.

Would Iga ningi +2 be a good choice if you don't have Toci's?

Believe that would be the second best choice. Also since you wouldn't be using Toci's the set bonus from Oce+1 head would become moot probably making Shura+1 w/ proper augments or Aias bonnet the best WS choice.

Thank you

Wondering the same.

Should be Thunder and Flame

Tested it tonight on VW teir 5/6
Vs blade hi, it is horrible

If u dont have Kannagi, it's okay
If you have Kikoku, it's pretty good
If you have Kannagi, dont bother, it's just very good looking and good for skill ups.

Numbers and gear?

Blade Hi did 1300, Shun did 400
Too lazy to post gear, but it's DEX based and attack...
Berserk up too..
And aftermath does DoT, Shun.. doesnt.

What would be the best atma's to use inside for :shun?

That's not Shun's fault, that's your fault for being severely below hitrate cap on a DEX mod WS.

Atma of the Blade: Jin.

Why are you even asking about Abyssea when it doesn't crit?

Just goofing off with it inside while finishing merits' for other jobs.

So, if I understand, here another nice looking, useless WS like Blade: Ku. So we still stuck with either Blade: Jin or work for Kanagi for Blade: Hi. I never get the idea to put new WS, if they are gimp compare to old version... This is not only for katana... I rememeber been stuck with the lv5 Tachi: Empi until I got Tachi: Yukikaze at ~60+ (and we could do it for almost all GD WS of the game). If that WS is useless, that will be sad cause the CS for it is very nice to watch...

At the end, Should I work for 100 Merits and 5/5 that, or simply focus on Kanagi lv85. what about Kikoku 95 vs Kanagi 85?

Why post such useless information?
I'm sure your Hi gear has had much more consideration than being able to have all your Nin gear and then fitting a good Metsu type set in your inventory.

Personally, Shun is just a glorified Ku. @5/5 it offers no real benefits over Hi outside abyssea. I have been messing around with it for almost a week now and I have consistently done crap damage. Outside abyssea I do anywhere from 700-1500 damage and almost the same goes for inside. The highest I have done inside abyssea was 2.1k. on a low defense mob with 95+150 dex. In abyssea I would use jin over it if i didn't have hi.

Having said that tho, It is consistent in it's damage. Seems to do around the same amount of dmg inside and out of aby. No matter what kind of mob it is and or amount of dex you put behind it.

I really wish I didn't use 100 or so merits to get a crap WS.
Making a "New" WS that you have to get 100 merits to see the full power of and isn't much better then a lvl 60 WS is just SE milking money from us. Greedy b-tards..

Your highest in abyssea is 2.1k? o.O I do around 3 - 3.5k with it, what are you using?

I agree 2.1k is low and your either badly geared or using the wrong atmas.. nin is a proc job for me mainly but I do have it well geared.

My highest shun in abyssea is just under 4k using apoc RR and omnipotent on the raptors in aby ule. Granted Jin is better in abyssea, outside though I find it more reliable for dmg compared to jin doing 1000-2000 dmg on dyna mobs depending if all hits land etc.

That is /dnc obviously for dyna /war will most certainly give better results.... used pizza as well

I don't agree with "glorified Ku".....

but, going for high Shun numbers in abyssea is killing your overall DoT, since you are losing all of the crit rate and crit dmg atmas

Well they should still have RR and apoc as atmas so the only one they would be loseing would be GH (or I guess SS if they go with that). You are right though the added damage to shun would not likely come close to the damage lost to your tp phase.

Light Gorget, Flame Gorget, Thunder Gorget.

NIN friend of mine got Light Belt and Light Gorget to use with Blade: Shun over the past couple of days.



His WS numbers on Blade: Shun greatly outpaced Blade: Jin damage, at least in Abyssea.

The WS is heavily-modified by DEX when you merit it to 5/5.
I'm not a NIN myself, but I imagine it isn't difficult to stack a plethora of DEX into your WS build. Guess you have to account for the attack penalty on the WS, too, though.

Thanks Nightfyre for all the good info on Blade: Shun over @ the BG Wiki.

After 20 more Pils I failed to get a pair of Dilaram, wondering which feet to use as second option? Athos maybe? Should be better than IGA+2 because of the high modifier?

Also, thinking to just buy NQ Ocelomeh, not really willing to spend 7 mils for HQ, altough I'd really love it for the leetness and the regen+2, not just for the +1 stats.
Atm I'm looking at this:

Ammo: Bomb Core (aimin to get the new +15 one)
Head: Ocelomeh
Body: Toci's
Hands: Iga+2
Legs: Usukane
Feet: Athos?
Neck: Elemental
Waist: Elemental
Back: Atheling
Ear1: Brutal
Ear2: Centaurus
Ring1: Epona's
Ring2: Rajas

Actually I noticed that in my current TP set I still have Qirmiz Tathlum, but I guess I should be using Bomb Core to TP as well when outside Aby, right?

Koga Kyahan +2 will slightly edge out Athos's Boots in most situations if hitrate is capped. Byakko's over Usukane, NIN can't wear the new bomblet, everything else looks good. Yes to Bomb Core unless low hitrate (Fire Bomblet) or high critrate (back to Qirmiz), though fracas grenade might slightly edge out Bomb Core in TP phase.

>________>
For some reason I was 100% sure it was "All jobs", sigh...

And boo @Byakkos! :P I don't even have them augmented, nor plan to.
Guess I'll have to wait march to use my Usukane once more :(
Thought the attack+12.5 would have been beneficial but it was naive of me on a 100% dex WS, and even if otherwise I should have used Tumbler's anyway. Same dex as Usu, more attack.

Surprised you didn't comment on my lolrajas! :P But I don't own a dex ring atm and I prefer the inventory+1 for now, hoping the promised upgrade to Rajas will come soon.

Thanks for all the rest! <3

Rajas isn't that bad really. 5 DEX, 1.25 fSTR, 2.5 attack. Slightly less attack than augmented Jupiter's, equal or sometimes greater base damage, great choice for inventory conservation. If anything I'd look at replacing Epona's given that you've got 6 hits right off the bat including offhand.

Small sample but tested on Aura statues x74. Gorget+blet, dex 91+74, 503 att.



Blade: Shun
836: 1
974: 1
975: 1
978: 1
990: 1
1029: 1
1043: 1
1056: 1
1060: 1
1086: 1
1089: 1
+ 1096: 3
1107: 1
1122: 2
1125: 1
1128: 1
1139: 1
1151: 1
1152: 1
1154: 1
1155: 1
1161: 1
1171: 1
1172: 1
1174: 1
1181: 2
1183: 1
1184: 1
1196: 1
1197: 1
1199: 1
1200: 2
1202: 1
1206: 1
1211: 1
1212: 1
1214: 1
1216: 2
1217: 1
1222: 1
1235: 1
1237: 1
1241: 2
1244: 1
1253: 1
1254: 1
1255: 1
1259: 1
1281: 1
1283: 1
^ 1287: 1
1289: 1
1294: 1
1297: 1
1302: 1
1305: 1
1307: 1
1309: 1
1310: 1
1313: 2
1315: 1
1320: 2
1322: 1
1323: 1
1325: 1
1331: 1
1333: 1
1349: 1
1352: 1
1353: 1
1357: 1
1362: 1
1366: 1
1369: 1
1372: 1
1374: 1
1378: 1
1379: 1
1394: 1
1395: 1
1397: 1
1399: 1
1400: 1
1403: 1
1409: 2
1416: 1
1418: 2
1431: 1
1437: 2
1443: 1
1446: 1
1450: 1
1463: 1
1466: 1
1474: 1
1481: 1
1489: 1
1496: 1
1537: 1
1551: 1
1566: 1
1630: 1
1739: 1

I didn't know where to properly post this but from what i've read the 8% attack penalty goes away at 200tp right? it's only present at 100tp? or am I getting that wrong.