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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-12-14 03:48:48
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Ya, but the angha ring has the same M.Acc. The only bonus the A ring has is Hmp+2 which is pretty damn moot at this stage of the game, and its on a level 94 ring. So the Balrahn's is still decent. The Ratt one is kinda neat still though. Its not Bellona's but meh lol
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-12-14 03:49:02
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Balrahn is actually still king for idle set in salvage/assault !
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-12-14 04:03:21
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Balrahn is actually still king for idle set in salvage/assault !

and Nyzul Isle! oh wait yah i forgot they said they were revamping Nyzul Isle to drop alex... So then Balrahn is still good then. Good i didnt toss it then!
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-12-14 04:31:40
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When did they specifically say Alex will drop in nyzul?
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-12-14 04:34:11
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
When did they specifically say Alex will drop in nyzul?

Your text to link here...

I dont think it'll be this update, prolly early next year. You never know with the Dev team.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-12-14 04:35:24
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Nice....go go Ryunohige! lol
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-12-14 04:35:45
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Bahamut.Cuelebra said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Balrahn is actually still king for idle set in salvage/assault !

and Nyzul Isle! oh wait yah i forgot they said they were revamping Nyzul Isle to drop alex... So then Balrahn is still good then. Good i didnt toss it then!

Nyzul is an assault but yeah, I always enjoyed mine as a BLU.
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By Kikorimo 2011-12-14 04:45:09
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I'd be a little mad if merited WSs could out-perform the ones I worked hard for an Empyrean for, anyway.

SO YEAH.

Making them inferior to Empyrean WSs in terms of damage but have an additional effect might have been a good idea.
Except from what I saw a lot of them were already inferior to basic WSs. I saw Raging Rush outperform Upheaval every time, and Evisceration was outdoing the dagger one for example. I am having serious doubts that any of these will be worth meriting for anything other than the additional effects attached to them from the few I had time to screw around with on the test server.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 04:47:02
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Exenterator outperforms unstacked dagger weaponskills.
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Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Bahamut.Cuelebra said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Balrahn is actually still king for idle set in salvage/assault !

and Nyzul Isle! oh wait yah i forgot they said they were revamping Nyzul Isle to drop alex... So then Balrahn is still good then. Good i didnt toss it then!

Nyzul is an assault but yeah, I always enjoyed mine as a BLU.

Isnt it not officially assault according to the ToAU storyline or something, its 3am here... lol... anyways Nyzul Isle was so much more difficult than assault....

I loved Nyzul Isle as War....but ughh u always got those *** up floors. with 6 psycheflayers in 1 room and 2 porrogo gents...

Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Exenterator outperforms unstacked dagger weaponskills.
wait how about with Trick Attack since Exenterator is AGI based?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 04:48:44
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There was nothing difficult about Nyzul Isle aside from finding 2~5 capable people that know what cardinal directions are and the ability to follow simple instructions such as "press the lamp at X time or after X person".
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-12-14 04:50:43
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And there in lied the challenge Proth. Finding those people lol. Also "kill all mobs" with 2 dahak dragons, and Capricious Cassie, with whm locked, without a blu..... yeah.... lol
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2011-12-14 04:50:46
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
There was nothing difficult about Nyzul Isle aside from finding 2~5 capable people that know what cardinal directions are and the ability to follow simple instructions such as "press the lamp at X time or after X person".

Ok for Nyzul statics. Thats different. Yah i static'd nyzul to 100 for clear. But im talking about like shout runs. So much ***can hit the fan if u just have 1 idiot.

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And there in lied the challenge Proth. Finding those people lol. Also "kill all mobs" with 2 dahak dragons, and Capricious Cassie, with whm locked, without a blu..... yeah.... lol
Well then you should have had all Apoc Drk's shouldnt u! lol
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-12-14 04:55:48
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Bahamut.Cuelebra said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Bahamut.Cuelebra said: »
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Balrahn is actually still king for idle set in salvage/assault !

and Nyzul Isle! oh wait yah i forgot they said they were revamping Nyzul Isle to drop alex... So then Balrahn is still good then. Good i didnt toss it then!

Nyzul is an assault but yeah, I always enjoyed mine as a BLU.

Isnt it not officially assault according to the ToAU storyline or something, its 3am here... lol... anyways Nyzul Isle was so much more difficult than assault....

It wasn't sanctioned by the empire but it was still in the assault office, took tags and is considered an assault.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 04:56:37
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Bahamut.Cuelebra said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Exenterator outperforms unstacked dagger weaponskills.
wait how about with Trick Attack since Exenterator is AGI based?

Can't tell you with 100% certainty as that would require math and my brain is too tired to do math right now, but prevailing sense suggests that factors favor other weaponskills.


And Nyzul Isle is considered an assault style battlefield, yes. Assault latent items will work inside of it. It's the same principle as Salvage, it's not an assault by lore standards but it counts as a battlefield in which assault latent items function.
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By Kikorimo 2011-12-14 05:04:07
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maybe if you only use it on thief... I played with it some on war and with only signet on, evisceration did nearly double the damage more often than not.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-12-14 05:06:28
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Kikorimo said: »
maybe if you only use it on thief... I played with it some on war and with only signet on, evisceration did nearly double the damage more often than not.

lol testing a dagger WS on a job that isn't thf or dnc :P
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 05:06:32
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Somehow I doubt you were gearing it properly on WAR. Besides that point, I fail to see a single reason to use Exentrator on WAR to begin with. For THF and DNC, it is a fine weaponskill, especially compared to most of the others being added.
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By Kikorimo 2011-12-14 05:12:57
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By that same logic I can say lol at giving war more than just great axe. This was tried out just yesterday. Not like dancer has any SA or TA. war at least has options for upping their attack as well as a native double attack trait that can kick on WS. Let us not forget that you need someone in front of you for TA to do anything. I think the highest damage I saw OUTSIDE of abyssea was a little over 900, and evisceration was doing well over 1500. Etenerator was averaging around 700-800. Congratulations on wanting a WS that will only be useful to a thief using SA and/or TA to pump the damage.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 05:17:34
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I'd continue arguing my case but you aren't worth the effort. There is nothing wrong with Exentrator.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-12-14 05:18:31
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Bahamut.Cuelebra said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Exenterator outperforms unstacked dagger weaponskills.
wait how about with Trick Attack since Exenterator is AGI based?

Can't tell you with 100% certainty as that would require math and my brain is too tired to do math right now, but prevailing sense suggests that factors favor other weaponskills.


And Nyzul Isle is considered an assault style battlefield, yes. Assault latent items will work inside of it. It's the same principle as Salvage, it's not an assault by lore standards but it counts as a battlefield in which assault latent items function.

Check under "Assault" in your Missons logs and you will see "Nyzul isle investigation". If that isn't 100% clear that it is for sure an "Assault" than idk! Sorry I had to be right!! ^-^
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 05:21:33
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I have no idea what you're talking about. In lore it is not considered an assault mission sanctioned by the empire. It is however considered an assault battlefield. What's the problem?
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-12-14 05:23:21
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Just that it is assault, so when I said "Salvage/Assault" that encompasses Nyzul Isle under assault. It is an assault mission in lore, it is under "Assault" under missions. It wasn't officially sanctioned by the empire but it is still an assault.
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By Kikorimo 2011-12-14 06:10:08
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I'd continue arguing my case but you aren't worth the effort. There is nothing wrong with Exentrator.
Assuming you're thief only sure, so same to you sir. The additional effect is nice and all, but I don't see it as being worth 100 merits if it's damage I'm after since existing weaponskills were already outperforming it damage wise. Like it all you want and join the "but it's wrong and unfair if they can outperform my relic/mythic/empy Wss Q_Q" bandwagon even. I'm sure they'll nerf it before long just like anything else people actually like in the name of "balance". I was saying damage wise, on it's own, it's inferior to existing WSs. I said NOTHING about it being ***for a thief stacking JA upon JA to boost it, I was talking the WS all on it's own.

Learn to read k thanks bye.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2011-12-14 06:12:59
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So much arguing in this thread.
Need more balance.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-12-14 06:14:49
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Kikorimo said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I'd continue arguing my case but you aren't worth the effort. There is nothing wrong with Exentrator.
Assuming you're thief only sure, so same to you sir. The additional effect is nice and all, but I don't see it as being worth 100 merits if it's damage I'm after since existing weaponskills were already outperforming it damage wise. Like it all you want and join the "but it's wrong and unfair if they can outperform my relic/mythic/empy Wss Q_Q" bandwagon even. I'm sure they'll nerf it before long just like anything else people actually like in the name of "balance". I was saying damage wise, on it's own, it's inferior to existing WSs. I said NOTHING about it being ***for a thief stacking JA upon JA to boost it, I was talking the WS all on it's own.

Learn to read k thanks bye.


Or you could learn to read the two to three basic sentences addressing this issue in which I specifically stated that it's superior when unstacked. Your first mistake was using the weaponskill on Warrior with likely no Agility gear. Your second mistake was crossing me instead of turning tail and leaving it alone. Your inability to read and lack of comprehension is obvious as, if you'd read any part of this thread, you'd have seen my stance on these weaponskills. If you had any veritable knowledge or knowhow on basic game mechanics or how the weaponskill functions, you'd also know why Exentrator is fine for damage and it's effect.

Your inability to gear it properly and/or use it properly is your own concern that I suggest you address before attempting to label a weaponskill or put out information.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-12-14 06:14:54
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Kikorimo said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I'd continue arguing my case but you aren't worth the effort. There is nothing wrong with Exentrator.
Assuming you're thief only sure, so same to you sir. The additional effect is nice and all, but I don't see it as being worth 100 merits if it's damage I'm after since existing weaponskills were already outperforming it damage wise. Like it all you want and join the "but it's wrong and unfair if they can outperform my relic/mythic/empy Wss Q_Q" bandwagon even. I'm sure they'll nerf it before long just like anything else people actually like in the name of "balance". I was saying damage wise, on it's own, it's inferior to existing WSs. I said NOTHING about it being ***for a thief stacking JA upon JA to boost it, I was talking the WS all on it's own.

Learn to read k thanks bye.


Calm the hell down broski...
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-12-14 06:14:58
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Kikorimo said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I'd continue arguing my case but you aren't worth the effort. There is nothing wrong with Exentrator.
Assuming you're thief only sure, so same to you sir. The additional effect is nice and all, but I don't see it as being worth 100 merits if it's damage I'm after since existing weaponskills were already outperforming it damage wise. Like it all you want and join the "but it's wrong and unfair if they can outperform my relic/mythic/empy Wss Q_Q" bandwagon even. I'm sure they'll nerf it before long just like anything else people actually like in the name of "balance". I was saying damage wise, on it's own, it's inferior to existing WSs. I said NOTHING about it being ***for a thief stacking JA upon JA to boost it, I was talking the WS all on it's own.

Learn to read k thanks bye.
How were you testing this? It has already been pretty well determined that Exent > DE/Evis non-stacked. What gear/ja's were you using? And why in the world did you test it on WAR?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-14 06:16:19
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BRB testing AGI-modded Dagger WS on WAR in DEX gear.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2011-12-14 06:17:43
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Unstacked damage superiority aside, Exenterator is awesome because the -20 accuracy to the target means you have even less reason to ever take off your full-on DD set.
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