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They could always... buff Empyreans.

That would require getting your 99 version though, the horror.

Making it sound like Empyreans are such a hard to attain item. 100 merits justifies being usable at the very least.

I didn't keep up on the new WS damage potentials but which where better then their empyrean counterpart?

Realmrazer used to be? Maybe Exenterator and Last Stand could be better than their empyrean counterpart.
Others are pretty much on par or slightly less powerful before any changes they decided to make

I wont be happy if any of them out dmg emp/relic/mythic ws. Those with exceptions of mabye emps, are alot of work to be out dmg by full perle/pink who just use merits.

Don't some of the emps out dmg relic and mythic? <.>;

idk, I think it's a complete mess all together

You're ***out of luck then, 'cause most Empyrean weaponskills, barring the ones that don't deal damage, already outdamage their relic counterparts and in most cases mythic. So your exception of maybe Emps tells me that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Apparently u read it wrong or i wrote it wrong but i was saying emps arent hard to get.

Thought most relic ws where just terrible still even with the boost to dmg they got. This was common knowledge? Sure ppl will defend spending 100-200M on a weapon but for the most part they where never good.

In that case, Relics and Empyreans are easy. Mythics are the only weapons that anyone has grounds to *** about being underpowered. Retrospective analysis of how difficult it used to be to make a relic is moot at present. The most that either relics or empyreans offer in terms of "difficulty" is having enough time in the day to go through with their timesinks, to a lesser extent on Empyreans than on Relics.

People also fail to realize that these merit weaponskills would have significantly buffed most relics if they were left alone/slightly buffed.

Relics and mythics offer more than just weaponskills... thinking that a WS alone will let some pink DD get within the same ballpark as a relic or mythic is laughable.

I just made a simple comment, no need to analyze it to death lol. Just commented about new meritable ws possibly out dmging emp/mythic/relics which are alot more work to obtain regardless of difficulty.

Kind of like the thread on the officials regarding buffing relics, WARs whining about Metatron Torment not dealing as much damage as Ukko's Fury and writing off Metatron's DT-20.4% and the other effects of Bravura and citing Ukon's 1000~ damage lead.

Bravura offers Accuracy+35, Enemy Evasion -30, 20% chance of dealing 2x damage, -20.4% Damage Taken and Enemy DEF -18.5% from Metatron Torment with an overall TP set that can consist of capped haste, a 6-hit and at minimum -46.4% PDT, -33.4% MDT, and -33.4% BDT.

Ukonvasara offers STR+17, 45% chance of dealing 2x damage and weak (5-10%) Slow effect from Ukko's Fury along with a TP set that consists of capped haste, a 6-hit, and -26% PDT, -13% MDT, and -13% BDT.

Relics are already substantially powerful, most people don't look in the right places.


And you're failing to realize how the meritable weaponskills would have been a great boon for relics and mythics.

Pointing out flawed logic is not "analyzing to death".

You can have as many weapons as you're willing to put time in for. You can only max out 3 of these WS. If anything, they should be at least as powerful as your best WS or offer a strong utility option because it's forcing you to specialize.

What logic? Its a comment and my opinion, nothing more to it.

And what's been offered is a counter-opinion. That makes sense.

Because you're talking about Empyreans, Relics, and Mythics in general when it doesn't work that way.

For example for club: Empy does no dmg at all, mythic does minor dmg, and relic does average dmg. The merit WS's should be surpassing these and they are but the issue is not it surpassing relic/mythic/empy but because it won't surpass a WS created 8 years ago.

So there's no logic behind your opinion?

Seriously wtf happened here? I made 1 comment that resulted in all this?

nini you lurker I see you ._.!

I personally am not arguing, and just making discussion. I can't speak for others though.

I never understood that assertion lol

I'm afraid I can't help you find inner peace sir. If you don't see why adding a counter to baseless silliness is necessary to society, I'll have to direct you somewhere else for help.

I think he was referring to the idea that haste takes time to proc. Frankly, I'm not sure how the person who originally said that believed it either.

yup

Ah, well not the point really. You can likely see why I used it as an example.

"Haste takes time to proc" would be something that would have taken Einstein decades to decode. I dare not tread in those waters.

What arguement? You all are the ones arguing, i made a hypothetical comment and u all took it way too serious.

Yeah it was more of an offhanded observation about ffxi history rather than continuing along with that conversation.

It... wasn't hypothetical at all. Saying you won't be happy if the weaponskills were better than Relic/Mythic/Emp because Relics/Mythics/Maybe Emps are hard to get is not a hypothesis. It's whining about something that makes no sense.