Upheaval Thoughts

you're OP

Why did you post the same useless screenshot in two threads?

Hoping there would be different ppl reading this one and going "Awwyeah man!!!"

its relative to the topic

I hope last 2 trials put TP bonus+100 on top as best weapons ever!!!
edit; cuz i already wasted too many hours making one of those

"@Ncspade SS of Upheaval" now u gotta wait 2hrs to be able to hit those numbers again /cry

I heard you like trying to save face

How does Upheavel compare to UF, short of being great with MS on level 75 content?

The set I'm using is
and I haven't really seen numbers anywhere to justify using it over UF. Under MS, Resolution seems like the better choice.

Yeah, if you are zerging w/ Mighty Strikes swap to Greatsword and Resolution

That belt is silly for a 4 hit ws. With all the DA that WAR has, it will be severely gimped. Warwolf belt would make a good, easy alternative.

I haven't done the math but unless you have 90+ Ragnarok... I don't see how Resolution is going to beat Upheaval, especially for people with 95/99 Bravura and 95/99 Ukon...

If you put equal effort/gil into an Upheaval set as you would Resolution, Upheaval is going to win... unless you have at least 90 Ragnarok or maybe Etourdissante +1, which are both base dmg 121. Jingang Greatsword is the best you can get if you don't have Ragnarok, unless you can somehow get your hands on a Etourdissante +1, which is unlikely.

In my case with 99 Ukon, I highly doubt Resolution will ever beat Upheaval, you're talking a 156 dmg Gaxe vs at best 121 dmg Gsword, the only case it would be beat is with a 99, maybe 95 Ragnarok.

For example, on Provenance Watcher, my current high is 6178 Upheaval with full buffs, MS and rcb as food. Atmacite being Kaggen/Voidwrought/Ig-Alima all level 15. My Upheaval set isn't perfect, it could use some work, but it's a good set. Can post set tomorrow if people request, but too tired to do it now. I have 5/5 Resolution too, but it just can't compare, then again I don't have Ragnarok.

If someone wants to math it out for me, by all means go right ahead :p

Everything I've ever seen shows 90 Ukon with 300 TP aftermath using Upheaval beats 99 Raganarok for WAR Mighty Strikes zerg.


This should be the best Upheaval set available.


This should be best with Mighty Strikes up.

These sets are based on the 7% WSD from Phorcys body only applying to the first hit. If it's all hits, you should switch to it.
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/30087/ideal-ws-sets-metatron-torment-upheaval/#1840747
Drachenhorn might pull ahead with uncapped attack, but in a zerg situation that is very unlikely, in a normal situation using Bravura and spamming Upheaval it could happen.
AF2+2 pants can pull ahead if Attack is capped as well.

And you should not be using Upheaval without Might Strikes if you have an Ukon.

EDIT:: Slight change to MS build after looking at it for a minute.

I have zerged ADL with both, resolution wins hands down, and this is 95 Bravura vs the Etourdissante. 100% VIT mod vs. 100% STR mod and gorget/belt/Mekira Oto bonus applying to all hits just isn't a contest. I guess different stroke for different folks.

So your entire point for saying GS is better is that you zerged an ADL and eye balled it, and you think resolution does better damage than upheaval?

Basically what I was looking for.

Side question, Upheavel was pulling decent numbers in Nyzul, making me think it holds its own on fodder mobs. Any reason/evidence to think Upheavel would beat UF on fodder mobs over time enough to warrant keeping it around?

Upheaval is just for using with Bravura, and during mighty strikes with your Ukon, because that's the best thing WAR can do during zergs regardless of what any hobo with a GS and a cloud strife fantasy tells you.

Thank you very much

No comment on the validity of the statement because it's been a long while since I paid any attention to warrior numbers or tactics. That said. I found this statement highly amusing.

No.. parse smart guy.

This set is winning in pure DPS when attack capped and MS up:


*Valk body if it ends up being true WSD applies to first hit only
*Drachenhorn and Phorcys Dirs when attack uncapped.

That being said, Resolution with 99 Ragna is roughly 20% better, with Reso average having up to 1000 damage advantage over Upheaval average.
The only time Upheaval pulls ahead in WS damage is when Ragna is level 75.

If you're maintaining level 3 AM I don't see an Etourdissante beating Ukon during MS (for overall damage), I'm going to say you didn't keep buffs/conditions/AM up.

I'll see if I saved the parses, and if not we have plenty of ADLs to kill to parse

Looking at your set, you have about 4.7fTP not counting the gorget, 4.8 with it. This is around a 2.1% increase. Adding 9 VIT with Apathy gorget on the other hand, assuming you have 300 base damage total, is going to be a 2.7%~ increase adding 8 base damage, 2.3%~ if it only adds 7.

The cape you're right about, I completely overlooked that piece.

I don't understand how you're counting the QA and TA on windbuffet belt to be a bigger increase than then .1 from an elemental belt, perhaps you could explain it? I thought on a 2 hit WS it was shown to be a .12fTP increase and less than .1 on a 4 hit or higher.

I'm also not a fan of using 2 of the same item, in this case, 2x terrasoul ring, ***never seems to macro on correctly for me.


No one is arguing Resolution is a worse WS than Upheaval, but the inferior gear set and hit build required to use Ragnarok, as well as Ukons lvl 3 aftermath should make Ukon do more overall damage if you spam Upheaval with MS and AM3 up.


EDIT::::

Parsing doesn't prove much of anything as far and damage is concerned. It's only useful to find average damage per hit/ws and hit rates and comparing 1 player vs another player.

4.0 base fTP with 29% DA in WS is 4.58, ftp increases to 4.701916 with windbuffet, so it's still a .121 ftp increase.

Overlooked Apathy gorget, it is indeed better.

Terrasoul > Spiral?

On something like watcher Ravagers+2 or Twilight helm?

QA would block any other extra attacks, 1 TA would make another TA a DA instead. I'm just not sure how to count this. Can you explain?


If you have chaos, a minuet and RCB, I'd stick with AF3+2 mask. If only 2 of those, it's tough to say.

EDIT::: Looking at this again I noticed you said twilight helm not drachenhorn and I would like to change my answer to "always af3+2"

QA > TA > DA. QA always has a 1% chance to proc on the first 2 hits of a WS, then triple, then DA. Having more DA will not diminish the returns of QA/TA since DA is calculated last.

(2*3)*.01 + (1-.01)*((2*2)*.02) + ((1-.01)*(1-.02))*((2*1)*.29))
4 + .06 + .0792 + .562716 = 4.701916

This just in, actual data means nothing while plugging numbers into equations does

Wouldn't that depend on the way the game calcualtes DA/TA/QA temporally for WS?

If it calculates each hit separately, then if the first hit of the WS TAs, then a QA on the 2nd hit doesn't receive the full benefit. of a QA.

I don't think you can call it 'Devaluing' but you're not always getting the full effect of QA/TA.