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 Ramuh.Urial
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-12-03 15:37:43
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6990 > 580 for sure so if they cost the same, pick the 6990.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-12-03 15:42:30
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Ramuh.Yarly said: »
6990 > 580 for sure so if they cost the same, pick the 6990.
For the cost of a 6990, Id rather go Tri-sli GTX 560Ti. Plenty of power and minimal micro stutter problems(only precautions would be the amount of power drained and cooling needed). That and a specific board to accomodate the cards properly and not decrease performance.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-12-03 15:45:06
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Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Ramuh.Yarly said: »
6990 > 580 for sure so if they cost the same, pick the 6990.
For the cost of a 6990, Id rather go Tri-sli GTX 560Ti. Plenty of power and minimal micro stutter problems(only precautions would be the amount of power drained and cooling needed). That and a specific board to accomodate the cards properly and not decrease performance.

As far as power goes you can't top the 6990 unless you get an ASUS MARS II(lol $1500 card) but I personally can't get past the turbine of a fan. If I were building again I'd probably get the MSI GTX 580 3gb Lightning Extreme.
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2011-12-03 15:53:17
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time to use aftermarket coolers that cost almost as much as the card itself!
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-12-03 15:54:54
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Ramuh.Yarly said: »
time to use aftermarket coolers that cost almost as much as the card itself!
Brilliant!

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By oncura 2011-12-03 16:05:28
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I'm actually lookin at 590 now given the price of these cards, lookin at alot of reviews and such and alot stuff comes rly close and most ppl seem to pick 1 out of how much noise they make. but im leaning to the 6990 or the 590 now mostly, even tho with getting that and a new power source im droppin another 300-400$ onto my price.

Edit: I dont think 2-3 cards in 1 CPU linked is in my near future.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-12-03 16:05:43
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Ramuh.Urial said: »
As far as power goes you can't top the 6990 unless you get an ASUS MARS II(lol $1500 card) but I personally can't get past the turbine of a fan.
580 in sli out do 6990, im pretty sure 3 560 Ti do aswell. Especially from how 2 benchmark already. Im sure 6990 will make a strong fight on dx11 games, but anything 10 and under the Tri setup is going to crush a 6990 considering sli-setup already was able to contend with Dx 10 games and 9.

Just saw the Mars II, not bad but for the cost..... thats 3 580s with way more power than that card is doing.

That being said the 6990 on its own is still one hell of a card by itself.
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By oncura 2011-12-03 16:13:52
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Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
As far as power goes you can't top the 6990 unless you get an ASUS MARS II(lol $1500 card) but I personally can't get past the turbine of a fan.
580 in sli out do 6990, im pretty sure 3 560 Ti do aswell. Especially from how 2 benchmark already. Im sure 6990 will make a strong fight on dx11 games, but anything 10 and under the Tri setup is going to crush a 6990 considering sli-setup already was able to contend with Dx 10 games and 9.

Just saw the Mars II, not bad but for the cost..... thats 3 580s with way more power than that card is doing.

That being said the 6990 on its own is still one hell of a card by itself.
maybe i shud just start playin my cod on PC > PS3 lol..i just wanna run ffxi at its maximum state..which begs me to think y i want to get such a powerful card but, no1 has even told me how these cards run for 14
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-12-03 16:22:20
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You could run FFXI with cards 2005 cards at max state. Graphically I dont think FFXI requires much.

Powerful setups are really only used for high resolutions. Its really what games are you going to play, what is your perferred fps. Most say 60 is the sweet spot.
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By oncura 2011-12-03 16:28:21
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Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
You could run FFXI with cards 2005 cards at max state. Graphically I dont think FFXI requires much.

Powerful setups are really only used for high resolutions. Its really what games are you going to play, what is your perferred fps. Most say 60 is the sweet spot.

im running 11 at max right now with 4gb ram, ms500 amd turion dual core cpu and a radeon 4250 HD..11 isnt the question, tis 14. I cant even find a decent vid or post about it rly, cept this 1 where a guy running 3 580's..thats a little extreme

Intel.com's "find a cpu" thing keeps tellin me to get the i7 just cuz i clicked 3d gaming lol.
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By Bismarck.Dreadnot 2011-12-03 16:52:33
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I can post some screenshots of 14 from when i was playing it on max settings. I don't have any videos of it anymore.
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By oncura 2011-12-03 16:56:47
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Bismarck.Dreadnot said: »
I can post some screenshots of 14 from when i was playing it on max settings. I don't have any videos of it anymore.

sure anything helps. what were u using?

-I've been thinking of getting the 580 or 590 and sometime around march when taxes come in goin to a dual card set up to. either way need the best bang in a single card atm i supposse jic i dont get a dual card
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By Bismarck.Dreadnot 2011-12-03 17:08:21
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Proc: i7 960 @ 3.4ghz (slightly overclocked)
Card: GTX 590
Mobo: EVGA x58 Classified 3 (Slightly out dated)
Ram: 12gig Corsair Vengeance DDR3 2000mhz

Game runs an average of 70fps out in the world (1920 x 1080 Res). Cities like Limsa are poorly coded and I can drop into the 40's there. The Halloween event really hurt a lot of PC's when the decoration lights came on.
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By Fenrir.Pirinolon 2011-12-03 18:34:33
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Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Ramuh.Yarly said: »
6990 > 580 for sure so if they cost the same, pick the 6990.
For the cost of a 6990, Id rather go Tri-sli GTX 560Ti. Plenty of power and minimal micro stutter problems(only precautions would be the amount of power drained and cooling needed). That and a specific board to accomodate the cards properly and not decrease performance.

GTX 560 Ti only supports 2-way sli, for tri-sli, have to look into gtx 570or higher, even so 2 GTX 560 Ti in SLI outperforms a single GTX 580 by a good chunk, u can find some benchmartks at Tom's hardware site
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By Fenrir.Pirinolon 2011-12-03 18:36:23
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Sadly even with a brand new custom built killer pc, FFXI will look still the same, u will see the diff on new games not ffxi
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2011-12-03 19:22:45
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Ramuh.Urial said: »
Ramuh.Yarly said: »
time to use aftermarket coolers that cost almost as much as the card itself!
Brilliant!

Edit: For old times sake.
Orly?

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By Dre 2011-12-03 19:47:08
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Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Ramuh.Yarly said: »
6990 > 580 for sure so if they cost the same, pick the 6990.
For the cost of a 6990, Id rather go Tri-sli GTX 560Ti. Plenty of power and minimal micro stutter problems(only precautions would be the amount of power drained and cooling needed). That and a specific board to accomodate the cards properly and not decrease performance.

You can't tri sli 560ti unless you get the new 448 core ones that just came out. They cost around $300 each so might aswell get 570s at that point.
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By oncura 2011-12-03 22:47:05
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honestly at this point i think I've got my final build down lol. i mean i may upgrade a part or 2 by time i order it but what i got seems as clear cut as i can make it ^^

I'll be usin this motherboard if it comes in stock or i need to site order it http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188092 - and the monitor will be upped to a bravia or vizio 26"ish HDTV prolly

Edit: Not to say i wont take any ideas, or criticism e.t.c if i missed anything e.t.c. glad i listened about not going to cyberpowerpc.com this is a far better set up for a little less i believe,, then wat i had ^^
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By Bismarck.Dreadnot 2011-12-03 22:54:20
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The only real change I would do is bump up the ram to 6gigs. (Or 8 if it's sold in sets of 4)
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By oncura 2011-12-03 23:00:04
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The only real change I would do is bump up the ram to 6gigs. (Or 8 if it's sold in sets of 4)

yeh i wanted to but, alot ppl seem to be against going over 16gb ram or higher mhz, keep seeing it everywhere, that at this time its rly not worth the price in the performance difference, even unoticable
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-12-03 23:06:44
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Fenrir.Pirinolon said: »
Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Ramuh.Yarly said: »
6990 > 580 for sure so if they cost the same, pick the 6990.
For the cost of a 6990, Id rather go Tri-sli GTX 560Ti. Plenty of power and minimal micro stutter problems(only precautions would be the amount of power drained and cooling needed). That and a specific board to accomodate the cards properly and not decrease performance.
GTX 560 Ti only supports 2-way sli, for tri-sli, have to look into gtx 570or higher, even so 2 GTX 560 Ti in SLI outperforms a single GTX 580 by a good chunk, u can find some benchmartks at Tom's hardware site
Yea, I just spent some time reading where I had first read it, Im going to assume the person had his cards wrong or just sprouting bull. Thanks for the heads up. I shouldnt be shocked, its marketing strat on for the companies forcing people to buy the mid to high end cards to get those arrangements.

About the sli cards, Tom also has the micro-stutter article which if people like getting sli/CF setups should read. So while you might get a boost in frames, youll also get choppy play here and there.


Anyhow thanks for the correction~
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By oncura 2011-12-03 23:16:06
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Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Fenrir.Pirinolon said: »
Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Ramuh.Yarly said: »
6990 > 580 for sure so if they cost the same, pick the 6990.
For the cost of a 6990, Id rather go Tri-sli GTX 560Ti. Plenty of power and minimal micro stutter problems(only precautions would be the amount of power drained and cooling needed). That and a specific board to accomodate the cards properly and not decrease performance.
GTX 560 Ti only supports 2-way sli, for tri-sli, have to look into gtx 570or higher, even so 2 GTX 560 Ti in SLI outperforms a single GTX 580 by a good chunk, u can find some benchmartks at Tom's hardware site
Yea, I just spent some time reading where I had first read it, Im going to assume the person had his cards wrong or just sprouting bull. Thanks for the heads up. I shouldnt be shocked, its marketing strat on for the companies forcing people to buy the mid to high end cards to get those arrangements.

About the sli cards, Tom also has the micro-stutter article which if people like getting sli/CF setups should read. So while you might get a boost in frames, youll also get choppy play here and there.


Anyhow thanks for the correction~

I tried not to pay attention to that post to much since i dont plan on going with 3 cards, i set a budget on the GPU @ 700$..preferably 6..soo 3 cards beats that neways, so got a month to read make up my mind see if 1 6990, 580 or 590 beats a 2 card set up equaling same price
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-12-03 23:17:06
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Either of those 3 cards will do you just fine, 2 of them will give you head room for more to come.
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By oncura 2011-12-04 00:22:07
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Anyone got opinion on an HDTV vs. a monitor? been finding some nice HDTV's around the price of the size monitor i want (24-27"). However when i look around for ppl's opinions they only talk about the 32-40"+ lcd tv's..not the smaller LCD-LED backlit ones.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2011-12-04 00:47:06
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Anyone got opinion on an HDTV vs. a monitor? been finding some nice HDTV's around the price of the size monitor i want (24-27"). However when i look around for ppl's opinions they only talk about the 32-40"+ lcd tv's..not the smaller LCD-LED backlit ones.
Monitors have much better resolutions.
You can find 24-27" monitors and 1920x1200 beats the crap outta 1920x1080


For reference my monitor is like 3 years old and it's a 24 inch 1920x1200 and has a better resolution than an HDTV and even then 3 years ago it was only like $250.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2011-12-04 00:53:50
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Local business plug: Price the same system over at http://www.pugetsystems.com

Not sure if cheaper, but I will vouch that they will have better build quality than anyone and dead quiet hard-speed fans (instead of software controlled BS or undervolted). Seattle people take their boxen seriously. Most importantly there will be NO crapware on the machine when you get it. They change the desktop background to a Puget Systems one and that's it.
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By Fenrir.Pirinolon 2011-12-04 01:01:04
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oncura said: »
Anyone got opinion on an HDTV vs. a monitor? been finding some nice HDTV's around the price of the size monitor i want (24-27"). However when i look around for ppl's opinions they only talk about the 32-40"+ lcd tv's..not the smaller LCD-LED backlit ones.

yeah i've seen many arguments on that topic "monitor vs hdtv"
i havent owned two screens of the same size to do a realistic comparison. i've had a 1280x1024 19" lcd monitor and now i'm using a 1920x1080 32" lcd hdtv, and i'm totally satisfied, i dont have a dedicated sound card so i use the TV's built-in speakers and i'm happy with the HD video audio from the GTX 570 HDMI output.
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By oncura 2011-12-04 01:09:13
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Fenrir.Pirinolon said: »
oncura said: »
Anyone got opinion on an HDTV vs. a monitor? been finding some nice HDTV's around the price of the size monitor i want (24-27"). However when i look around for ppl's opinions they only talk about the 32-40"+ lcd tv's..not the smaller LCD-LED backlit ones.

yeah i've seen many arguments on that topic "monitor vs hdtv"
i havent owned two screens of the same size to do a realistic comparison. i've had a 1280x1024 19" lcd monitor and now i'm using a 1920x1080 32" lcd hdtv, and i'm totally satisfied, i dont have a dedicated sound card so i use the TV's built-in speakers and i'm happy with the HD video audio from the GTX 570 HDMI output.


I'm thinkin maybe both..my plan is pick 1 now and get 1 later for a dual monitor, maybe in march when i get a second card. guess ill go with the SAMSUNG S27A350H ToC Rose Black 27" Full HD HDMI LED BackLight LCD Monitor, unless we got a suggestion anywhere? i hear samsung the best but i only use bravia or vizio tv's so i cant even say i know there HDTV's quality.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-12-04 10:59:46
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vizio are crap in comparison to samsung
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By Raborn 2011-12-04 16:49:17
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For gaming look for the highest refresh rate AKA Mhz,
Cheap TV's LCD/LED do around 60Mhz while the pricier ones do 120Mhz.
Plasma HD's tend to have far higher refresh rates (700Mhz and beyond).
I do not know what refresh rates are on the new monitors (Don't use those since I can just use my TV's (I'm a cheapass!)).
But also look for true HD 1080p+ for picture quality.
I use a 720p and occasionally transfer it to a 1080p and the difference is noticeable.

If I remember right the human eye can only see at a 45Mhz rate, but for some games due to fps stabilization and lag you may want to punch higher Mhz for the better rates.
(And if you are going to blow the money on the PC why use something that can't even bring out its capabilities.)

(Also when buying make sure you can convert or have the proper connections from your grahpic card to your desired output device)
(In my case it was having to buy a mini HDMI to standard HDMI cable).
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