Young Man Raised By Lesbian Couple [video]

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Am I saying too much? If you're a christian, you should follow christian teaching and christian teaching comes from god and the bible.

Am I assuming something far-fetched here?

Only that all of us read the Old Testament as a literal way to live life. I read it as lessons to learn instead of repeating histories mistakes.

Again, it just boils down to everyone (I mean everyone of faith or not) thinking that their opinion of the world is the best. They scoff at those who don't think, idealize, or act in the same manner as themselves. It stems from one's own insecurity to ridicule others for their differences. Until we can all learn to rejoice in our differences, this will never change.

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I just don't know how to talk to people with this type of self-delusion.

The book says something...and you say you're allowed to out-right ignore it because of your own personal "interpretation".

Ok, fair enough. If anything, I hope more people would follow in your footsteps and ignore what their religion tells them to do through the excuse of "personal interpretation".

It's no where near as black and white as you are making out out to be. The bible is not ment to be taken literally, there are dozens of different interpritations that can vary from place to place, church to church and person to person. On paper, sure it seems straight forward enough but religion isn't about paper. It's about what someone feels in their own heart (for better or worse) and what they use to guide their morals. You can meet 2 people of equal faith who have widly different opinions on a matter.

You know as soon as you start throwing rocks like this you are really no better then the religious people who hate on others for [insert religious justification here]

Because there is no separation of church and state in this country? The upper echelons of our leadership are hellbent on ramming Christianity down our throats whether we like it or not. Proselytizing within the military is always high and anyone who attempts to call the powers that be out on this is dismissed as being wrong, misunderstanding or not respectful of religious beliefs.

In other words, shut up about it. When I see an Atheist elected to high office I'll believe that our country has truly grown up. We overcame the hurdles of race but now religion looms overhead.

Most people may not like hearing it but they're controlled by beliefs they've never bothered to look into. Life is busy and you may not always have time to open the Bible, Torah or Quran and read passages but if you do, you'll see the hateful vitriol jump off the pages. For every passage with a positive meaning or comes off as uplifting, there is a passage that completely sullies it with bronze age thinking and human handiwork all over it.

Most Americans admit they've never even read the Bible, the book they profess to take as the single most important thing in their lives and what drives them on a daily basis. The fact is that most people are living out some level of Pascal's Wager thinking they can fool an omniscient deity by living one way while acting another come Sunday morning, simply believe to fit in regardless of the moral outcome or are 'cafeteria Christians' in that they want the 'love thy neighbor', 'honor thy mother and father' and 'God is love' yet reject the 'slavery is permissible', 'you must not suffer a witch to live' or 'sinners burn in hell for eternity with no hope of rehabilitation' parts.

If i hadn't guessed already: you have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't get to dictate anything about this forum. Hell, most of my threads are mysteriously "unmained" for being "too silly" (or so i'm told after the fact). I do however get to dictate what I observe and that's you still posting absolutely zero on topic.
To sum it up so far you've said: 1) religion r dumb, 2) religion r still dum and priest liek little boyz, 3) i don't know anything about ur faith but the cool kids say it bad so i make joke about imajunary frend.
If i recall Jesus tells us that the greatest commandment of his father was love one another. You may not think you need religion in your life but you could sure use a hug.
Lastly, what and how much faith I have is my own business. The fact that you're more concerned with telling people they are stupid for having faith than they are with sharing theirs with you should let you know something about your attitude.

1) no, 2) who's the bigot?


I don't think it's any different. My post was originally just to say "i can see how life would be hard for him and I can see where someone might try to make an argument against them raisiing him because of x and y but on the whole I see nothing wrong with it"

I don't have anything against any homosexual people except that when we go to "their" bars they don't seem to understand "i drank too much and I want to go home and sleep it off". That's not exactly true. I also don't like when I am completely open minded about their lifestyle and then (some of them) they become borderline belligerent about me having faith.

This video shouldn't be needed as evidence that kids can be raised "correctly" by lesbian couples. I don't think this was ever in debate except by a few narrow minded religious folks, aka: cavemen.

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I would [+] this in ways you've never been [+]ed before if I could... but the site only lets me click the [+] once

Tell that to the people openly being repressed in this country and the rest of the world right now.

Calling out people's bigotry does not put me on the same level as people who dedicate their lives to making other people miserable because they think that's what their imaginary friend wants and succeed.

Calling it out, no it doesn't. That's why I specified the rock throwing, answering hate with hate only leads to more hate which is something history has proven more than once. They don't have to like us, we don't have to like them, we just need to accept our differences for what they are and they might have a harder time learning to accept us if we are bashing their "immaginary friend"

As to the first part of your statment, I like boys. Pritty sure that puts me in with one of the groups you are refrencing.

I'm sorry, but who are you to reinterpret the word of God? God was very straight forward, and mentions nothing of any mortal putting their own spin on his very clear messages.

Taking a peaceful, non-literal approach to your faith does not make you a better Christian. It makes you a substantially lesser Christian. Instead of trying to reinvent the omnipotent wheel, how about you take a second to address your dissonance, instead of smearing it with obviously contradictory nonsense? The parts of your faith that you hold most dear are the things most removed from the origins of your faith. You do not like Christianity. You like the children's version the western world has adopted in the last few centuries. Spoilers: that's not what God told us he wanted.

You do know the bible was written by man, right?

Through man. There's an explicitly expressed difference.

Except unlike non-believers, Christians are hamstrung by the Bible which has rules that cannot be shaken lest you be damned to hell or not a Christian at all.

The book says homosexuality is an abomination. How do you plan to get around that without rejecting the text that creates the foundation for the religion? At some point you're either going to undercut the book or make decisions for yourself outside the books instructions.

I know that some Christians create their own pacts with God directly through prayer or have personal relationships with their version of God and that's fair enough to me (until you try to impose upon me your Gods rules) but at that point you're bordering on heresy and most individuals in religious power would see you just as ostracized as the individual who rejects their God altogether.

Taken to the most extreme, you'd be thrown upon the fire right after that Atheist finishes cooking alive. Just as the numerous people who were killed off during the Inquisition for reference.

Yeah, ok.

If you have an objection, explain it. Drive-by "nuh uh!" is not sufficient.

Edit: And before you do, be sure that you're aware of my message. I don't believe in imaginary friends, nor that they're bestselling authors.

If there is such a being, and that's really what he wants... his followers sure as hell don't want that.



I'm sorry, but I don't think there's any further need to explain any further. I'd rather waste my breath debating about something consequential and/or real.

The Bible would be an infinitely better piece of text if this was Gods true intention. Infact few of us would be able to comprehend such a text because it'd be so beyond anything humanity could understand simply.

I could only dream what such a text would have done for the course of man instead of the text we received instead. We got the copy that orders people killed for working on the Sabbath for crying out loud.

Its as much of an interpretation as reading a piece of paper with explicitly stated instructions. You're changing the argument based on the (false) premise that a literal stance is an interpretation. To interpret something is to take it non-literally. By definition, something that states explicitly what it means cannot be accurately interpreted, because the author has stated no ulterior intention, nor is there a relevant precedent.

Not quite sure where the idea that I hate christians come from.

What I hate is the faith, not the people. The belief. The dogma. I hate the faith that commands people to hate people. I have absolutely nothing against religions such as Jainism since it does NOT teach bigoty. If you still want to call me so-and-so, then go ahead.

All I said is that I am perfectly OK with theists so long as they do not impose their rules upon my life but many soft-Christians ignore the rules of their own text. Why?

It's because the Bible is the text that does not give Christians any wiggle room. It has specific instructions that under pain of eternal torture you must follow and the only way to sidestep that is to reject the text or make mind-numbing concessions that either undermine you or the validity of the text.

In some ways the fundamentalists are more closely in line with the teachings and because so many people flee from that (for good reason) it is clear to see what 'true' Christianity (christianity as close to the bible as possible) is when manifested through human life.

I figured that was the case. I suggest you reread what I've written. This time, take as something written by a non-theist.

As far as I'm concerned, most of the true theists in this world live in the middle east. It was true theists who flew into buildings a decade ago, and its true theists that picket funerals on our soil. Our home variety, the "real" true theists, are delusional cowards who can't stomach the idea of finite, sentient life, but don't want to deal with all of the extraneous baggage that comes along with the contrary.