[dev1049] New Weapon Skills (yes, All Of Them)

it have been proven that most people playing mithras are guys in RL , fooling other guys for gil by pretending that they are girl in RL, or nerds that can't get laid and make mithras to stare at their toon all day, i personally don't like the mithra race, they are ugly faced, tailed and too skinny, boobless and flat/hairy race, the running animation looks like they are dragging their chin all over the floor , on top of that the casting animation it's too plain, the swinging weapons animations are horrible and unreal, it bothers me so much how SE still did not made another race at this time and age, they need to learn a lot from others mmo, the ps2 limitation excuse is really old, they keep releasing re-hashed/new content

oh my god

It's not that SE used the PS2 limitation when it came to races, they just got lazy with Char creation, someone once pointed out that male elvaan have flowing hair and robes when casting where as the other races don't. I never remember to check the models when they cast but if this is true it just tells you it was either a time factor, funding limitations or lack of consumer interest in adding a new race.

The rule for WSP weapons was no matter what your skill is even with merits you still need the level requirement for the quest to start it, When you talk about the WS you learn via skill you can get it with gear/merits you just won't get a "Learned 'WS'" message until you get the natural skill, alot of people got the lv80 WS before they had natural Skill, I had Ageha at 78 with gear and merits well before natural skill was 300

Damn, so I did see what I thought I saw.. mithra performing a pole dance in the WS!!!

How can you beat that?!? HOW!!!

There is no topping it. If MithraDRG wasn't the very definition of perfection before this update, now there is no doubting it.

Runners up go to MithraTHF/RDM/DNC/BLU.

DEX for H2H WS?! Mithra MNK ftw
btw can't wait to see some of the animations for WS we have not seen yet.

Seen them all I'm pretty sure.

where. linkie. i only seen the first handful in the official se preview

The left foreleg looks like it's bending the wrong way for some reason

Otherwise yes very sexy :P

Mithra can't be sexy.

The only thing that makes Mithra sexy is random fan art. I think other people do a better job then Square lol.

Here's some information people might find interesting:

Tachi: Shoha

The full Japanese name of Tachi: Shoha is 十二之太刀・照破 「じゅうにのたち・しょうは 『Juuni no Tachi: Shouha』」.

The characters which form "Shoha" are kind of interesting though.
照 alone means "illuminate, compare, shine, bashful."
破 alone means ""destroy, rip, defeat, break, tear, rend, frustrate."

It's kind of strange because "Shouha" as written for the WS appeared in my electronic dictionary, but it doesn't come up with a definition (useful!). One suggestion for Shoha's meaning was "Light Breaker" and another was "Broken Light," but upon further research I have found that neither is particularly appropriate.

Apparently Shoha is a Buddhist concept. The term translates as "The light of the Buddha's wisdom illuminates the total darkness, revealing the truth."

As such, my suggestion for the translation of Tachi: Shoha is "The Twelfth Style of the Tachi: Revelation" although "Rending Light" is another suggestion which preserves some of the original imagery.

Blade: Shun

This WS is written in Japanese with the single character "瞬." This character means "blink," "wink," or "twinkle." It's more often used as a verb, 瞬く (Matataku) which means "to twinkle (as in a star)," "to flicker," "to waver," "to blink" (or as a noun form of the verb which means twinkle of a star, flicker of light, etc.)

I'd say "Flickering" is a pretty good translation of what they mean with this WS, based on the animation.

I decided to test Exenterator vs. Evisceration vs. Dancing Edge, in Abyssea against Bluffalo, and in Meriphataud Mtns. (S) vs. Condors (lvl 94-95, weak to piercing). All tests were level 99 THF/NIN, maxed merits. I tried to choose atma that would make the most sense for each WS build.

Abyssea
Exenterator
Atmas: Apocalypse, Gnarled Horn, Kirin
STR: 136 DEX: 153 AGI: 311 ATK: 529

Damage: 3096, 2526, 2367, 1348, 2420, 2023, 2084, 2662, 1195, 2533
Average: 2225.4

Evisceration
Atmas: Apocalypse, Razed Ruins, Gnarled Horn
STR: 158 DEX: 264 AGI: 204 ATK: 570

Damage: 2242, 1841, 3198, 1658, 2513, 1897, 3151, 3123, 2329, 2604
Average: 2455.6

Dancing Edge
Atmas: Apocalypse, Razed Ruins, Omnipotent
STR: 158 DEX: 311 AGI: 151 ATK: 575
itemset is Evisceration, but swap Skadi's Cuirie for Loki's Harness
Damage: 1269, 1239, 1595, 1577, 1246, 1207, 1129, 1486, 1690, 1421
Average: 1385.9


Meriphataud Mountains (S)
Exenterator
STR: 96 DEX: 113 AGI: 181 ATK: 509
Damage: 1785, 1984, 1530, 1508, 2230, 1573, 1222, 1459, 784, 2199
Average: 1627.4

Evisceration
STR: 118 DEX: 174 AGI: 114 ATK: 550
Damage: 1218, 1978, 1750, 1912, 1510, 1213, 945, 1155, 1503, 1722
Average: 1490.6

Dancing Edge
STR: 118 DEX: 171 AGI: 111 ATK: 555
Damage: 1111, 1067, 1324, 1519, 1333, 1327, (i pulled too much aggro and died ; ; )
Average: 1280.2

ANALYSIS!
I'll probably stick to Evisceration in Abyssea. The damage is slightly better, but more importantly I get to keep Razed Ruins which is great for normal melee damage. Outside Abyssea, Exenterator comes out to be a bit better than Evisceration, but you'll probably have to merit it 5/5 for that.

It's worth noting that both sets of monsters were DC to a level 99, so against bosses I'm not sure how the numbers would change. Bosses are harder to test against, though...

You can't test out rancor collar outside of aby, for evis? That is typically what is used, if I'm not mistaken, no? That's what I use on dnc for evis.

why are you testing ***in abyssea? of course it's going to be in favor of critical hit WS.

Why wouldn't you test it in Abyssea, as well? He didn't exclusively test it in Abyssea. He didn't assume. That's a good thing.

I didn't have a Rancor Collar on me :( In hindsight, I could've probably picked one up at the test server AH.


It wasn't particularly hard to test it in Abyssea, and I still expect to visit even at 99. And there's nothing wrong with knowing just how much Evisceration has an advantage (not much, actually).

Over a 10% increase in damage is small? Plus you shouldn't be using kirin atma regardless of WS choice.

If you're going to compare stuff in Abyssea, you should compare them using only optimal atma setups, which aren't going to vary based on which WS you're using.

Also ... DON'T EVER TAKE RAZED RUINS OFF. IF YOU THINK YOU NEED TO, SLAP YOURSELF, TELL YOURSELF THAT YOU'RE AN IDIOT, AND RESUME USING RR

RR/GH/Apoc
or
RR/GH/SS

Are pretty much all you should be using.
Oh wait, you're on THF, so you're stuck with TH atma. >:(

I agree completely. Perhaps I should have explained the test a little more! Here was the hypothesis I was trying to test:

** If I gear and atma specifically to maximize weaponskill output, I can find a way for Exenterator to outdamage Evisceration. **

The results of my test showed that even using (otherwise suboptimal) atma, Exenterator won't outdamage Evisceration in Abyssea. So that tells me that it's not worth trying to modify atmas to make Exenterator work in there. Perhaps this was obvious to you two, but it was worth testing for me.

It's a lot clearer when you remember how much of your damage isn't coming from weaponskills.

Even if you could, you'd probably have to double (or more) the damage to Exenterator to make up for gigantic crater you'd be blowing to your white damage.

why do people insist on testing on normal mobs, i went out to Cerberus and got totally different results. anyone that tests the WSs in abyssea dont count imo. Here is the highest numbers i seen on Cerberus

ok these are ALL capped in merits (5/5) with atleast 700 ATT and atleast +70 of the stat mod. Time to destroy your hopes on most WSs. These are all the peak DMG of the WS













you all keep getting a *** over these WSs doing 2k-3k but those tests where some trash standard mobs or in abyssea. anyone tried them on something like um.... T3 Jeuno/Zilart VW?

only one i noticed that can rival Empy ES is GK

Also you tested all of the WS that we've already concluded sucked.
Also IIRC Cerberus takes reduced damage or something.

Too lazy to flip through 19 pages...

How does Requiescat (spelling's probly off... the sword one) compare to cdc for pld and blu?

Stick to CDC imo, in rare times CDC can be out done by atonement i spam that (Armed Gears for 1st 50% and Cerberus are 2 that i can name). there may come a time where Requiescat could favour, but imo thats going to be a rare occasion